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Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:51 PM

Impeach Trump Now



1. Traitor: Trump conspired with our sworn enemy to “win” election.
2. Corrupt: Obstructed justice in its investigation of conspiracy; and has used office to enrich himself, reward friends and punish enemies.
3. Pedosadist: Protects child sex traffickers, rapists and predators - including himself.

Please add reasons pro or Don the Con or to comment.

Like Bob and Jimi said, the hour is getting late.

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Reply Impeach Trump Now (Original post)
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 OP
tymorial Jul 2019 #1
Roland99 Jul 2019 #2
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #6
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #4
tymorial Jul 2019 #25
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #5
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #8
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #11
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #12
LanternWaste Jul 2019 #30
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #35
triron Jul 2019 #17
Sogo Jul 2019 #22
walkingman Jul 2019 #3
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #7
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #9
bdamomma Jul 2019 #13
world wide wally Jul 2019 #10
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #18
Maru Kitteh Jul 2019 #14
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #19
Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #15
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #23
LanternWaste Jul 2019 #31
Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #33
egduj Jul 2019 #16
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #24
Poiuyt Jul 2019 #20
ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #21
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #28
ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #32
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #36
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #26
Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #29
BlueJac Jul 2019 #27
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #37
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #34
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #38

Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:56 PM

1. But we dont have the votes to "impeach" because he belongs in prison

That's the party line at the moment. I disagree vehemently that impeachment should be off the table but Pelosi is never going to allow it. I have yet to hear an actual legitimate reason why that is based on oath of office and duty.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:03 PM

2. We don't have votes in senate to pass any bills either

That line is so lame.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:15 PM

6. Truth through Televised Testimony

Imagine the GOP Senators who vote against impeachment would then face the wrath of an angry, informed electorate.



5. Dereliction of Duty for allowing thousands to die needlessly after Hurricane Maria.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:07 PM

4. Impeach him and then put him in prison.

It is a great idea. He can star in a caged cell with 24/7 Klieg lights and a webcam.



4. Cruelty to children, enabling sexual assault, and all manner of abuse of refugees.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:37 AM

25. He will never see prison. Not on federal charges anyway

Trump will pull a Nixon if it looks like he is going to be indicted. Pense will pardon him. As for state crimes, I suppose that is possible but I am not hopeful.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:08 PM

5. We don't even have the votes to open an impeachment inquiry

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:35 PM

8. Bet there would be, should Ms. Pelosi ask.

In light of just the Mueller Report, were the situation reversed, do you think the GOP would wait to impeach President Obama?

I doubt it.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:22 PM

11. I"m sure Ms. Pelosi would be delighted if she could single-handedly flip 150+ votes just by asking

But she can't. Not even close.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:07 PM

12. Maybe. Maybe not. She should try.

She’d be saving the Republic. As it is, Trump is getting away with treason. And he’s already advertised he’ll accept help from anyone who’ll give it. It worked for him last time. I don’t want Dirty Don re-selected.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:55 PM

30. Specifically how, and what then is the immediate and short-term cost/benefit analysis?

"She should try."
Specifically how, and what then is the immediate and short-term cost/benefit analysis?



If the reponse to both or either is "I have no idea other than speculative guesses..." (that being the only answer available), then it appears little more than an absurd exercise to travel to a destination without a map, or even knowledge of where that destination actually is.

And that wouldn't save anything-- even a republic. It would however, get many, many people lost.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:37 PM

35. Maybe that's how it will be.

I do know every day that passes with Drumpf in the Oval Office moves the nation closer to tyranny.

Thus I suggest the House impeach the motherfucker, to borrow a phrase.

An impeachment inquiry would do more than serve to show the nation the various high crimes, misdemeanors, sundry felonies and all — it would demonstrate in our democracy, no one is above the law.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:33 PM

17. I bet so too.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:44 PM

22. Going into the election, it's more valuable to have the specter of scandal hanging over him

...than to have the Senate acquit him, with him than being able to claim "exoneration."

Also, the pressure of him facing indictment if he doesn't win, will eventually trip him up. His house of cards can't stand forever. He WILL go down at some point.....

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:04 PM

3. Like most billionaires Trump is above the law. That is not a new. It's been happening all my life.

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Response to walkingman (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:22 PM

7. Absolutely. And does anyone even mention offshore wealth, anymore?

Massive leak exposes how the wealthy and powerful hide their money

12 world leaders maintain offshore entities

Putin’s oldest friends shuffle $2 billion around

Soccer stars, billionaires and friends of powerful named


BY KEVIN G. HALL AND MARISA TAYLOR
Sacramento Bee, April 3, 2016
McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- A massive leak of documents has blown open a window on the vast, murky world of shell companies, providing an extraordinary look at how the wealthy and powerful conceal their money.

Twelve current and former world leaders maintain offshore shell companies. Close friends of Russian leader Vladimir Putin have funneled as much as $2 billion through banks and offshore companies.

Those exposed in the leak include the prime ministers of Iceland and Pakistan, an alleged bagman for Syrian President Bashar Assad, a close pal of Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and companies linked to the family of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

SNIP...

The data breach occurred at a little-known but powerful Panamanian law firm, Mossack Fonseca, which has an office in Las Vegas, a representative in Miami and a presence in more than 35 other places around the world.

The firm is one of the world’s top five creators of shell companies, which can have legitimate business uses, but can also be used to dodge taxes and launder money.

CONTINUED...

http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/article69729112.html

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Response to walkingman (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:44 PM

9. Donald Trump's allies in the Paradise Papers

You may enjoy, from the International Consortium of Investigative Journalism, an interactive:

Explore The Influencers

https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/us-president-donald-trumps-influencers/

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Response to walkingman (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:12 PM

13. No one is above the law

I wish we were not so paralyzed to show our dissent towards these ole white men. These men are cowards.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:13 PM

10. Every time I see this picture, I can't help but hear this song...


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Response to world wide wally (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:01 PM

18. That's beautiful, 'The Look of Love' by Dusty Springfield.

...I can hardly wait to hold you
Feel my arms around you
How long I have waited
Waited just to love you
Now that I have found you...



6. What I say to Putin is none of your business.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:14 PM

14. Melamine looks like she wants to ride Vladimir's pony. nt

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:09 PM

19. The she knows her husband's boss when she sees him look.

“Is like three inch across mushrooms.”



Trump’s superior with wife and witness.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:24 PM

15. Trump is innocent of all charges.

 

How do I know this? Because if he was guilty the Democrats would bring Articles of Impeachment. And that is what he will run on in 2020. And if the Democrats hold on to the House they better take the Senate if they want to impeach him in his second term or else he goes Scott free. His best bet is to win in 2020 and retire his last year in office because of some medical ailment so Pence can give him a blanket pardon. He won't want to take the chance that a Republican won't win in 2024. That is what I would do if I was him.

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Response to Everyman Jackal (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

23. Well planned, Soldier. We the People must hold him to account.

He is a fascist through and through.



Trump has “attacked the judiciary, ridiculed the media, defended torture, condoned police brutality, urged supporters to rough up hecklers and ... equated mere policy disagreements with treason,” (Madeleine Albright) writes. “He libels immigrants and the countries from which they come. His words are ... calculated to exacerbate religious, social and racial divisions.”

Source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/madeleine-albright-attacks-trump-fascism_n_5ac7ebf9e4b07a3485e4b7f3



7. Criminal dereliction of duty for failing to uphold the oath of office.

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Response to Everyman Jackal (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:58 PM

31. Cool prophecies! Reading tea-leaves or bird entrails?

As only those two things allowing anyone the absolute knowledge you imply you posses in regards to the future.

And you certainly wouldn't merely allege a course of action without objective evidence to support it, right?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:30 PM

33. Trump told me.

 

By his actions.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:29 PM

16. To quote Nancy Pelosi:

"No."

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Response to egduj (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:34 AM

24. That's not exactly what I remember her saying...

"It's not off the table," Pelosi said Tuesday, adding, "I don't think you should impeach for political reasons, and I don't think you should not impeach for political reasons."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/11/politics/impeachment-democrats-pelosi/index.html

So, yeah, no?

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:23 PM

20. Nancy Pelosi has shown absolutely NO leadership on this matter

Last fall, she said that the Democratic House would hold trump accountable, yet nothing has been done except a bunch of committee meetings that have gone nowhere. Maybe Robert Mueller's testimony next week will sway some people, but we really need Speaker Pelosi to show some fight. Right now, she seems like she's only interested in fighting the progressive members of the House.

Failure to Impeach Trump Is a Way to Reaffirm Him

So it’s a calculated question for 2020: Would a prolonged, careful, substantive impeachment inquiry make Trump stronger or weaker by election day? Would a prolonged period of sniping at Trump’s faults, without daring to impeach him, make Trump stronger or weaker on election day? Regardless of who the Democratic candidate turns out to be, it seems more likely that he or she will be strengthened by a House impeachment inquiry carried on with integrity before the election. Yes, it will be partisan, but that is offset if it is also principled. But first, Pelosi has to help it happen.

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The Democrats Pelosi denigrates are all agents of change. Pelosi talks about defeating Trump, but she doesn’t embrace much change of any other sort. She cavils at the more ambitious proposals of Democratic presidential candidates. Why has the House pushed so little legislation that challenges the status quo? Is there anything Pelosi truly believes in besides herself? Dowd characterizes her as the most powerful woman in the country (with Trump the most powerful man). She seems to have made the calculation that she’d rather preserve her speaker-ship than take any serious risk. Are the ambitions of a 79-year-old multimillionaire really more important than the good of the country?

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/william-boardman/85553/failure-to-impeach-trump-is-a-way-to-reaffirm-him

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:34 PM

21. But her powder holds only 0.0001% moisture by weight

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:23 PM

28. That is verrrrry dry.

The blood on George W Bush's hands will never dry.

Don't glorify this man


Ross Barkan
The Guardian, Oct. 20, 2017

Excerpt...

The blood on Bush’s hands will never dry. Under the guise of spreading democracy, his administration brought suffering to the world and strangled civil liberties at home. The Patriot Act ushered in a dystopian national security state that was maintained by Obama and bequeathed to Trump. Bush’s economic policies, along with failures by Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, fed the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

Trump may be more bumbling and unseemly than Bush, but if he avoids waging war on such a horrific scale, he will have averted true catastrophe. Like John McCain, who never met a foreign conflict he didn’t want American troops to die in, Bush is one of those statesmen who has acquired a new shine in the age of Trump, welcoming to pundits in the context of such disorder.

Because of Trump’s chaos, there is a fetish these days for military men. Democrats hope the generals can stage a coup, restore order, and some stern-faced strongman with good table manners and an affinity for land wars can occupy the Oval Office. He will take chummy phone calls from Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. He will dream anew of “nation-building”.

This is the world that gave rise to Bush’s presidency and nurtured his most heinous sins. Perhaps, in the months to come, Bush will emerge as a stiff-lipped anti-Trumper and CNN will cheer. That would be a good career move for him.

Anything to make people forget a presidency that truly ruined the country and world.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/20/george-w-bush-donald-trump-speech-blood-hands

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:40 PM

32. The Rump already has blood on his hands, lots of blood

Kids in cages dying is just the latest. He started with getting our soldiers killed in Yemen.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:56 PM

36. Calling the Free Press 'Enemies of the People' inspires evil-doers, too.

Like the Trump fan who killed five and wounded others at the Annapolis Capital Gazzette. And who on Fox even mentioned Jamal Khashoggi?



8. Encouraging violence and law breaking against the sole enterprise mentioned by name in the Constitution.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:15 PM

26. She embodies the loyal Opposition to Trump.

That Smirking Chimp article explains exactly the problem with “loyal.”



Excerpt...

There is a glaring omission in Pelosi’s list of recent presidents – Reagan, Clinton, Obama, but neither Bush. The second Bush lied the country into war, a war that continues to cost us. Even that was not enough for Pelosi. She opposed impeaching Bush for the war crimes he so plainly committed. Does she lack principle? Does she lack courage? Does she always make her decisions on the narrowest partisan political calculation? What is really going on?

Democrats have the power to initiate impeachment proceedings. Democrats have the power to control the pace of those proceedings. There are numerous impeachable offenses, in almost every area – climate, immigration, census, war-making, regulating contrary to statute, emoluments – the list of failures to faithfully execute the laws or the office of the President is long and easily demonstrated. Even Pelosi says, “he every day practically self-impeaches by obstructing justice and ignoring the subpoenas” – which he is allowed to do with impunity.

Continues...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/william-boardman/85553/failure-to-impeach-trump-is-a-way-to-reaffirm-him



Mr. Boardman nailed it: While Drumpf is nowhere, no how, no way worth being loyal to — the United States of America is.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:46 PM

29. +1000

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:16 PM

27. K&R

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:45 PM

37. Loyalty to the Fuehrer, first, foremost and always.

9. Like a Gangster Boss, Trump has demanded that public officials put their loyalty to him ahead of their duty to the public.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/impeachment-trump/580468/

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:31 PM

34. And then what?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:48 PM

38. Demonstrate he is a criminal.

Obstruction of justice is what crooks do to conceal their crimes, or in Trump’s case, treason.

Even the GOP Senate will side with the law. If they don’t, they’ll be voted out in 2020.

Don’t you get the point? The Government of the United States is not meant to be run like a crime family.

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