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Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:19 AM

A message to Trump Supporters

A message to all tRump supporters:

When this national nightmare is over....and it WILL be over, hopefully sooner rather than later....and the country is returned to normalcy, order is restored, and patriotism and common sense replaces bigotry, hate and stupidity, don't expect to regain the stature you once enjoyed as a citizen and return to the society you ransomed to placate your hate. Everything this country once stood for....everything better men and women than you sacrificed their lives to protect and preserve....everything we held dear to our hearts, was cast aside, thrown away, denigrated, defiled, stepped on, ridiculed, and despised by you in order to support the most corrupt, dishonest, fascist traitor to every occupy the people's house.

When our free press told you the truth about him, you rallied behind his cries of "fake news" and supported his attack on our free press.

When fake "Christian" religious frauds attempted to hijack religious freedom in order to force feed their own deluded brand of bigotry and hate disguised as "Christian values" you stood by and let them stoke your inbred prejudices.

When the same mindset that turned Germany into Nazi Germany in the 1930's tried to establish a foothold here, you again showed your true colors and instead of quashing it in its tracks, you abandoned the spirit of this country, forgot history, and allowed its hatred and division to seep into our society.

When healthcare was taken away from the most at-risk of our society, you allowed it to happen.

When children were denied food and healthcare, you supported it.

When innocent African-Americans were murdered by law enforcement, you remained silent, only to finally raise your voices in disgust and hatred when they knelt in protest.

When children were murdered in schools and sane gun legislation was called for, you sided with the gun lobby and decided that the murder of school children was more favorable than sensible gun laws.

When hard-working, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens were denied their constitutional and human rights simply because of who they chose to love, you allowed discrimination and hate to overtake your sensibility and relegated them to second-class citizenry, using YOUR "religious freedom" as the rationalization for the hatred you hid behind.

When environmental policies that demanded clean water and clean air were thrown aside in order to coddle to the monetary interests of the polluters, you remained silent.

When policies that assisted the homeless, the elderly, the needy, the hungry, the veterans, the retired, and the sick were systematically nullified and terminated in order to transfer that tax money into the pockets of billionaires, you turned a blind eye to their struggles.

When children seeking refuge were taken from their parents and housed in cages, instead of outrage you supported the victimization and maltreatment of refugees seeking asylum.

When the reputation of this country and our commitment to our steadfast allies were trashed in order to appease our most rabid enemies, you supported the traitors who betrayed the country and everything we once stood for.

In every instance where compassion, civility, sympathy, acceptance, inclusion, humanity, fairness, justice, and respectability were needed, you supported the policies and the people who showed no compassion, no civility, no sympathy, no acceptance, no inclusion, no humanity, no fairness, no justice, and no respectability to anyone whose very existence they disregarded and refused to legitimize.

So again, when this is finally over, don't expect to be accepted back into the society of the REAL Americans you stabbed in the back simply to legitimize your own prejudices. At every turn....at every chance....at every opportunity, when you were called on to support the foundation and pillars that this country was built on, you looked the other way and were willing to support those who were tearing down those pillars and destroying that foundation. You had no qualms about sacrificing this country to justify your own intolerance. When the choice was to support your country and its constitutional guarantees for everyone, or support the traitor who has worked tirelessly to destroy those constitutional guarantees, you chose the corrupt wannabe dictator over the constitution. Please know that there are many of us, this person especially, who truly love this country, and are intelligent enough to see the damage your misguided support of this administration has reaped. I, for one, will NEVER FORGET and NEVER FORGIVE you for the choice you made and what that choice did to this country.'

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Reply A message to Trump Supporters (Original post)
Stonepounder Jul 11 OP
Desert grandma Jul 11 #1
Thekaspervote Jul 11 #2
BadgerMom Jul 11 #3
pazzyanne Jul 11 #4
dchill Jul 11 #5
vlyons Jul 11 #6
Gothmog Jul 11 #7
Heartstrings Jul 11 #22
Roy Rolling Jul 11 #8
renate Jul 11 #10
Roy Rolling Jul 11 #12
Stonepounder Jul 11 #15
Leith Jul 11 #18
Marcuse Jul 12 #40
flor-de-jasmim Jul 11 #9
BSdetect Jul 11 #11
Roy Rolling Jul 11 #13
johnnyfins Jul 11 #17
questionseverything Jul 11 #31
jmbar2 Jul 11 #14
TryLogic Jul 11 #24
TryLogic Jul 11 #25
jmbar2 Jul 11 #28
DownriverDem Jul 11 #16
kentuck Jul 11 #19
Haggis for Breakfast Jul 11 #36
Karadeniz Jul 11 #20
Brawndo Jul 11 #21
MadDAsHell Jul 11 #23
Frustratedlady Jul 11 #26
samnsara Jul 12 #44
cheezmaka Jul 13 #45
kacekwl Jul 11 #27
blakstoneranger Jul 11 #29
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 11 #33
sellitman Jul 11 #30
lordsummerisle Jul 11 #32
BlancheSplanchnik Jul 11 #34
BigmanPigman Jul 11 #35
WiffenPoof Jul 11 #37
albacore Jul 11 #38
orangecrush Jul 11 #39
SCVDem Jul 12 #41
samnsara Jul 12 #42
onecaliberal Jul 12 #43

Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:50 AM

1. So totally understand this.

It is heartbreaking what is happening to our democracy. They will not win in the end.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:46 AM

2. Great post. Thx for taking the time to write such a heart felt truth. I'm with ya all the way!!

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:52 AM

3. 💯

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:00 AM

4. Your post speaks for a lot of us!

Thank you for an insightful, well written analysis of that is happening today, and what our future can become once the present administration is no longer in power. It cannot happen too fast for me!

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:15 AM

5. Say it!

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:21 AM

6. We will not forget

The world will not forget. Your shame and degeneracy will send you to the hell of your own making.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:55 AM

7. trump supporters are deplorables

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:24 PM

22. Yep!

Hillary nailed that one!

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:44 AM

8. Understandable

But you will forgive, we have to. We forgave the Japanese and rebuilt their country. We forgave the Germans, and they became one of our closest allies.

Itís hard, itís sometimes impossible, but itís the next step of rebuilding. We have to re-educate the 30%, become allies with the middle 30%, and move on grudgingly.

Our 30% of progressive thinkers canít do it alone, we must find a way to engage others in the service of good.

And shun the deplorable.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

10. but only if they admit their wrongdoing, right?

I'm 100% in favor of welcoming people who've changed their minds back into polite society, but I'm not so sure about people who are still members of that particular hateful cult. The door should always be open to them if they understand and regret the damage they did, but I don't want them causing problems from the inside if they're allowed back in before they come to their senses. I wouldn't invite an angry honey badger into my home.

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Response to renate (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:21 PM

12. Of course

Like in Germany, if Americans want to remain Nazis they will be shut out of free society. Take that sh*t somewhere else.

A good rule is don't forgive someone who doesn't renounce their "evil ways". That's a waste of time for anyone---washing a dog that will just go outside and roll in the mud again. Anyone proud to be a "deplorable" needs more help than simple forgiveness, and remains a danger to the health of the remaining ideologues trying to clean up their act.

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Response to renate (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:42 PM

15. Absolutely.

As it says in both Matthew and in Luke: "If they brother offend thee, rebuke him. If he says he is sorry, forgive him."

The underlying implication in that message is that the apology has to be real. The other guy has to realize what he has done and try and change. It isn't enough to just toss off a 'sorry' and go on being a jerk.

And some things simply can't be forgiven, which is why there was a Nuremberg. Or you can try and go the way of South Africa with their Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:55 PM

18. No

The US didn't just "forgive" the Germans and Japanese, we put military bases in their countries to keep an eye on them. Then we rebuilt their governments as we wanted them to be.

The best that deplorables should expect is to be ignored and shunned, not forgiven. They inflicted too much on us to not expect some reaction to their behavior.



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Response to Leith (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:18 AM

40. We forgave unrepentant Confederate rebels. American rule of law was stunted for a century.


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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:32 AM

9. I needed the catharsis. Thanks - it takes a lot of energy to synthesize all this.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:17 PM

11. After WWII there were suddenly a great many resistance people or partisans then anyone expected.

Suddenly eager to distance themselves from Nazis.

Don't expect many deplorables to be visible or identifiable after 2020. If we ever get beyond this clusterfuck.

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:23 PM

13. Good point

They will try to fade into the background like nothing happened. Except they were so proud to memorialize their ignorance on Facebook and social media for all to remember.

Oops.

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:08 PM

17. I don't think we are going to get beyond

And I place the blame squarely on RW Hate Radio. They have done more to destroy this country than is even known right now. The lies, the demonization, the dehumanization.

There needs to be a reckoning for that machine.

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Response to johnnyfins (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:20 PM

31. you are correct and somehow we need to organize to change that

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:32 PM

14. This is a powerful letter, however...

it is written at too high of a level of complexity to have an effect on the target audience. Their eyes will glaze over.

It's not just for them. It's because your message IS so powerful it needs to be heard beyond just the well-educated denizens of DU. Most of the Trumpers cannot think beyond a very short time span. They are addicted to the thrill of "owning the libs", and not thinking of a post-Trump future.

I am experimenting with those I know and asking them "What happens after Trump - what do they want?" None of them can think that far out. Your letter forces them to do so. But they won't be able to digest it. We need to take up this message in ways that they can get it. Keep working on the core message, reduce it to bullet points that are quick to scan. I'll watch for other examples that might be effective.

You're on to something.

Thank you.

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:02 PM

24. I suggest sending this message to Republican politicians.

Most of them will understand it. Maybe some will retire or quit out of shame. Surely some will be able to experience shame. Surely... Maybe?

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:14 PM

25. I just sent a copy of this to Cory Gardner, Colorado senator who is up for relection in 2020.

(and acknowledgement of the author/poster).

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:37 PM

28. Good job

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:57 PM

16. Exactly why

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we have to do all we can to beat trump. That means winning the Electoral College which is state by state. We have to win the middle or say hello to trump's second term.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:55 PM

19. You are not alone..

Many people feel similarly.

I hesitate to join the chorus because I do not know how much more division our country can take?

Everything you say is true but we do not wish to see our people resort to violence.

We must make our own decision about where we stand.

It is not easy to "forgive and forget".

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:09 PM

36. If violence becomes a resort, it won't be by us.

Just look at the "proud boys" and the other nazi scum. They are SALIVATING at the prospect of bloodshed. They will not be satisfied until they are unleashed to shoot and kill people. These people go looking to start a riot every time they assemble. FFS, they practically beg for it.

This scares me.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

20. Bravo! Well said!❤

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:15 PM

21. Very well said!

Some acts you don't commit precisely because there is no coming back from. It's no longer Left vs Right it has become Good vs Evil.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:40 PM

23. I miss that very brief time when the new phrase "fake news" actually meant fake news.

Instead of just news I don't like.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:21 PM

26. So many I have talked to about voting for Trump praise him for increasing their 401Ks...

However, when I point out that, after Trump is gone, the rest of us will have to put the country back together and THAT is going to cost everybody big time, they wilt.

Enjoy the greed while you can! Nothing is free and you will pay for those fat 401Ks in the end.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

44. hell we made out like bandits with trumps 'tax cuts' BUT I would give it all back and...

...go on welfare to get that MOFO out of office!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:55 PM

45. I would too

with INTEREST....

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:24 PM

27. Great points but a total waste of time if

you think any of it will make a difference to them.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:03 PM

29. Preach!!

Except they don't care. You think they don't know these things, well they do. They just don't care. One reason for this apathy is Obama. Yes, most of these extreme right wing knuckleheads never, ever expected to see a Black man become president in these United States. His historic win sent shock waves throughout the right wing communities. And if it happened once, it may happen again, or it could be a woman, or another non-white minority. The conservative right wing already feel disenfranchised (although they are the most privileged in all the land), they feel left out, they feel like the forgotten minority. Watching Obama take center stage and then propose changes, not just for Blacks, but for all Americans. Yes this is what made this Black man so special, not perfect, certainly not error free, but special. Special because he had enormous respect for his fellow man and his country. He knew his appointment was not something to take for granted so he gave it all he had. It was like a gift. He knew he had to be a beacon, an example for all, especially black children. So he didn't break the law or commit the crimes the conservatives accused him of---because he knew how important his position in life was. But it didn't stop conservatives from accusing him and trying to bring him down. They were scared, scared that if they didn't tarnish Obama, another minority would win, a woman. Compounding this fear is the reality of immigrants crossing boarder creating greater fear that future generations of white conservatives will be pushed aside. Newsweek and Time magazine and USA today reported decades ago that the population of Latin people in this country will outnumber whites by 2050. This was reported back in 1983. What the conservatives need is someone who has the balls to stop it! Rush Limpbaugh won't, none of the conservative candidates we've witness couldn't or wouldn't. Reagan and Newt Gingrich made a big splash, but petered out. Talk radio, the fakenews network (foxnews), the unbelievably hypocritical christian right failed. Now we have trump! Call him a patsy, call him a fool, call him whatever, he is the man they expect to get it done. They don't care about his flaws, his ineptness, the rapes. They only want him to accomplish the things they want done.

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Response to blakstoneranger (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:30 PM

33. Welcome to DU, blakstoneranger!

Your post is one of the best I've read in a long while. Very coherent and on target. A super read!

Keep 'em coming. You might try to break up long posts with paragraphs, although this one wasn't hard to read.

Anyway, that's a nit! Keep on posting. Your ideas are very much worth reading.


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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:11 PM

30. Change the heading please

This should be addressed to The Senate and the slimeball running it.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:22 PM

32. k&r n/t

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:44 PM

34. I'm gonna bookmark this. 👏🏾

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:51 PM

35. One reason I like Murphy Brown is that

instead of "forgiving and forgetting" she gets even. Sometimes you should NOT forgive and forget or the crimes/harm will be repeated and allowed to continue. To stop them you must make sure that they will be remembered for the damage they have purposely and gleefully done to so many who could not defend themselves or stop their sadistic atrocities to the innocent.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:09 PM

37. Wow... So Well Stated

That is one of the best written answers to the Trump community that I have read. Thanks for expressing exactly how I feel.

Well done!

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:12 PM

38. Important to remember.... 90% of Republicans approve of trump's handling of the Presidency.

I will never forgive. Or forget.

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:29 PM

39. K&R

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:11 AM

41. Many of us here are veterans

Do you Really want to play?

Do ya punks?

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:25 PM

42. lets hope they keep those damned giant trump signs up so we can find 'em easily....

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Response to Stonepounder (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

43. K&R

Thank you.

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