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Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:30 PM

Jeff Merkley: "the House did not stand up for children the way the should have"


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Reply Jeff Merkley: "the House did not stand up for children the way the should have" (Original post)
melman Jul 2019 OP
BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #1
melman Jul 2019 #3
BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #4
melman Jul 2019 #5
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #6
Autumn Jul 2019 #20
Skittles Jul 2019 #2
Blue_true Jul 2019 #7
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #10
Blue_true Jul 2019 #13
JI7 Jul 2019 #8
GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #9
Blue_true Jul 2019 #16
UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #11
Blue_true Jul 2019 #15
Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #12
Blue_true Jul 2019 #17
Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #18
dsc Jul 2019 #14
Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #19
dsc Jul 2019 #21

Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:38 PM

1. But Chakrabarti's t-shirt!

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:54 PM

3. Yes

I've been asked three times today if I "stand with the shirt" - By the same person.

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Response to melman (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:03 PM

4. It's quiet in here

This a big story at Netroots.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:25 PM

5. Yeah

They need it to be about 'the squad'....or, more specifically, AOC.

Anything that doesn't fit that narrative... anything that shows other people are saying these things...is ignored.


and on a somewhat related note, it's interesting how some formerly frequently-cited people aren't cited so much anymore. People like Laurence Tribe or Richard Painter for instance.

We used to see their tweets posted all time. Now...not so much. Because they say the 'wrong' things now.

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Response to melman (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:30 PM

6. "Wrong" being the operative word.



And I do mean Operative.

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Response to melman (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:11 AM

20. Okay. What is this about the shirt? I seem to have missed something, I might want to

"stand with the shirt" too.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:46 PM

2. YA THINK???

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Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:06 PM

7. Merkley is in the Senate, which sent the House a horseshit bill that gave Pelosi no room

to operate. Maybe Merkley should be looking at what he as a democratic USSenator could have done to produce a better Senate bill.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:28 PM

10. IKR?

The Senate Dems have been relying on Pelosi to pull their butts out of the fire for years. And when she can't manage to make a gourmet meal for 500 out of the crap sandwich they handed her, they blame HER for not doing enough.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:49 PM

13. They need to be called out on that. And the people that are listening to them and attacking Pelosi

must be confronted. Nancy Pelosi is very likely the greatest Speaker of the House in it's history. She has been Speaker at a time when she could not use threats and removal of funds for home projects from rebel members, but her track record stands up very well against people like Sam Rayburn who could viciously punish out of line members.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:50 PM

8. wait ? isn't he in the Senate ? so why didn't HE pass a better bill

if it was possible as he claims ?

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Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:24 PM

9. If so bad why did he not lead a filibuster?

He could have.

There is indeed a humanitarian crisis on the boarder. Yes, caused by republicans. But those kids did need more resources thrown their way. What they really need is to be reunited with their families and never separated in the first place. But we have exactly no power to make that happen.

The republicans would have been content to go on recess with nothing to help the situation. Their base does not care.

Sometimes there is no good option and you have to choose the least bad.

Purist have the freedom to operate in the black and white of a world made up mostly of grey.



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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:21 PM

16. Why didn't Merkley lead a fight against the Senate bill?

Because like you pointed out, people like him and Bernie Sanders live in a Black and White world when things are actually Grey, very Grey in cases like getting aid to people at our southern border.

The issue that I have with Merkley and Sanders and their ardent supporters is they make horrible decisions when people like Trump, Bush Jr and House republicans of 2011 can be prevented from taking power, then they whine like little children when republicans create human rights crisis or fan coal collapse, or whatever, and they point fingers at the representatives and democratic voters who saw the clear and present danger when it COULD BE STOPPED, and who tried to stop it.

Representatives that see only black and white when the world is far more complex, and the voters that worship them disgust me to no end. They are like the abused spouse that attacks anyone that tries to help them out of their predicament.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:32 PM

11. Maybe Senate Democrats could of done a better job. From what I understand they just went

 

right the fuck along with Mitchy boy.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:59 PM

15. Yeah, the vote was something like 89-9 for the shit sandwich which Speaker Pelosi was handed.

I remember when President Obama was in office and democrats had a majority in the Senate, a lone republican senator would put a hold on a nomination or register an objection to something and literally stop it cold. Merkley, Sanders and people like them simply roll over now for McConnell, they make no attempt to block legistlation and appointments the way republicans did. Then they turn around and blame Speaker Pelosi for not stopping the shit that they send her.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:39 PM

12. Way back when on a dismal Tuesday in November, our side let down Hillary, and the country...

(but her emails)...leaving us with Trump...so where was the concern for those Trump would hurt back when we could do something about it? We have the house and that is it...we got the best deal we could get ...the one that those who voted for Stein, or stayed home or (gag) voted for Trump made the only possible deal...and what really stings is they claimed to be on our side and now attack a progressive speaker who is doing the best she can with great wisdom and courage...so a giant fuck you to all who let us down on a dark dark day in November 2016. Try to do better in 2020...and I am not directing this at any on this thread or site.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:38 PM

17. They showed the rest of us.

Just like on 2000 and 1980. They didn't get everything they wanted, so they threw a red faced tandrum in a corner while the wrong person got voted into office. So that person makes a freaking mess of things and finally comes along a democratic President who starts cleaning things up. But the "my way or the highway" types attack the change that president makes and sit on their thumbs during midterms, so republicans take control and that democratic President now has constraints on what can be done, the my way idiots go nuts about that blaming the democratic President and not the real culprits, themselves and republicans. So the democratic President's term is nearing an end, and the time to elect a democrat to keep things moving in the right direction comes up, the my way types see that as a chance to "teach" democrats a lesson instead of seeing things correctly, a way to get a lot of what we want instead of fighting daily to prevent another rollback of policy. So the republican gets elected instead of a democrat to keep things rolling the right way. Before someone "point out" the obvious, 1980 was a chance to reelect a democratic President, but the same dynamic was there, the my way or else types fucked things up for the country and the world, but the thing that totally enrages me is they can never see their role in enabling the republican to do the damage.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:59 AM

18. The truth is this goes on and on and only helps the Republicans...make your

case to the American people ...win hearts minds instead of kneecapping Democrats and by default enabling Republicans. Great reply,,,

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Response to melman (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:57 PM

14. translation we didn't want to make a political stance

so we expected the House to save our asses. I will say he at least voted against the bill but still given how craven his collegues were in this regard it is the height of arrogance to blame her.

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Response to dsc (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:08 AM

19. The house can stop the worst of Trump that is it, but you have to vote for

humanitarian aid ...or Trump blames us...maybe they should turn their attention to attacking Republicans not Democrats...and AOC's chief of staff attacked Democrats.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:21 AM

21. If the Democrats in the Senate hadn't voted so overwhelmingly for the bill with no controls

the House could have put up a better fight. It would have been helpful if the bill had been passed by the Senate with more time. I do have a problem with passing money to Trump with no strings.

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