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Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:35 PM Jul 2019

My Trump-humping Christian in-laws are actually praying for RBG to die!

How do I know this? Sometimes my wife's dad accidentally includes the email address we use for family stuff when he forwards his bullshit #MAGA prayer chains, conspiracy theories and memes. Apparently his Bible study group has a weekly "prayer focus" and this week it's for gawd to kill Ruth Badger Ginsburg.

So tell me again how Christianity is a religion of love?

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My Trump-humping Christian in-laws are actually praying for RBG to die! (Original Post) Still In Wisconsin Jul 2019 OP
The MAGA hat cuts circulation to the brain. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #1
Yeah maybe that's it. Still In Wisconsin Jul 2019 #2
Trump encourages his followers to be open and proud bigots. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #24
Maybe that's why it's a snap on and not a professionally fitted one. Initech Jul 2019 #13
And made in China. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #23
FAKE Christians...Tell your family that.... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2019 #3
I've tried that before. trev Jul 2019 #27
To be fair, that almost never works. Mariana Jul 2019 #28
Yeah, that was my point. trev Jul 2019 #30
To those people, I try to leave the gift of niggling doubt in their brain. woodsprite Jul 2019 #85
Agree. It is very important to tell people they are being fake Christians when they behave this way. gulliver Jul 2019 #75
I did that with my sister, she no longer speaks to me... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2019 #91
Someone needs to find a concise tweet to show Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #4
Spread it around and see if they are still proud of themselves. DFW Jul 2019 #5
I like this suggestion pandr32 Jul 2019 #7
This. Our targets are those who are appalled and Hortensis Jul 2019 #56
Useful post. mahina Jul 2019 #65
Indirect murder via prayer is breaking a commandment. They are going all in. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #6
Yes, it is. Mariana Jul 2019 #11
They prayed for Gawd to take Barack Obama, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #8
The whole time President Obama was in office Mariana Jul 2019 #9
Wisconsin Synod Lutherans? Bettie Jul 2019 #10
They are members of a non-denominational bible church. Still In Wisconsin Jul 2019 #63
It's weird. They adore the guy Bettie Jul 2019 #73
'who is literally everything their holy book tells them is bad. ' Celerity Jul 2019 #81
I'm so glad that I tend not to believe in this Bettie Jul 2019 #82
show it to xians, lolol Celerity Jul 2019 #86
You spelled Christstain wrong. gibraltar72 Jul 2019 #12
I see what you did there bdjhawk Jul 2019 #97
I'm sure that Jesus would just love that. Initech Jul 2019 #14
They are not Christians. They just belong to a cheesus club cutroot Jul 2019 #15
The person they worship is not Jesus, pazzyanne Jul 2019 #31
"True followers of Christ do not follow false gods like tRump." Different Drummer Jul 2019 #51
Yes it is, and they are not following God's law are they. pazzyanne Jul 2019 #60
Not at all. n/t Different Drummer Jul 2019 #64
"What would Jesus do?" dawg day Jul 2019 #16
Disgusting and ghoulish Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #17
And people wonder why there is a "war against Christianity" ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #18
Oh but you forget that tRump has made it safe to say "Merry Christmas" again! pazzyanne Jul 2019 #32
Yeah, as long as you claim to be Christian you're safe ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #44
Mazal tov, and you soon be free of your fear, ProudLib72! pazzyanne Jul 2019 #61
Oh, I get THAT... I'm a Jew, and my wife converted from Christianity so she is too! Still In Wisconsin Jul 2019 #67
I converted sixteen years ago through a conservative shul ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #83
Because it was dangerous before, to say Merry Christmas! nt. Mariana Jul 2019 #55
I've never heard it expressed better. Different Drummer Jul 2019 #49
Badger? lame54 Jul 2019 #19
Yes I am a Badger! n/t Still In Wisconsin Jul 2019 #66
But is Ruth? lame54 Jul 2019 #70
That should be corrected by the OP. CTyankee Jul 2019 #96
Be too bad if RBG put up her Prayer Shield and deflected the power of rurallib Jul 2019 #20
American right-wing "Christians" are the cruelest, most heartless bastards on the planet. mwb970 Jul 2019 #21
Wow. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #22
Nothing about that is Christian. TNNurse Jul 2019 #25
Tell them that's a prayer that Satan will like since they seem to be on his side now, praying for TeamPooka Jul 2019 #26
followers of the Anti-Christ bigbadR Jul 2019 #29
My vision of the perfect rapture is the opposite bdjhawk Jul 2019 #39
MY thoughts as well bluestarone Jul 2019 #62
NEVER forget them and bluestarone Jul 2019 #33
That hasno more to do with Christianity. Ms. Toad Jul 2019 #34
Well, at lest they are not doing anything that may succeed. StTimofEdenRoc Jul 2019 #35
Obviously they've never tangled with karma. tavernier Jul 2019 #36
Karma Liberalhammer Jul 2019 #37
Stay away from these people. Yeehah Jul 2019 #38
Tell your in-laws they're too late - the Rapture is tomorrow FakeNoose Jul 2019 #40
Mass Psychosis, not Christianity Martin Eden Jul 2019 #41
They may feel the spiritual need to cleanse the country for Jesus lunasun Jul 2019 #79
They are hastening the End Times Martin Eden Jul 2019 #80
New Christians are not about god Buckeyeblue Jul 2019 #42
Well, since she's a Jew it doesn't count COLGATE4 Jul 2019 #43
Ha, I'm a Jew too, THAT's why none of their prayers about me have worked! Still In Wisconsin Jul 2019 #68
Real Christians don't pray for others to die. roamer65 Jul 2019 #45
May I suggest contacting as many media sources as you can think of with this email? Maru Kitteh Jul 2019 #46
The wife of a first cousin of my mom's has expressed similar views on Zuckerbergbook. Different Drummer Jul 2019 #47
Sure. Give us a Dem prez and a Dem senate, then there will be other prayers. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2019 #48
I have seen wishes for the Dotard's demise treestar Jul 2019 #50
I'll happily admit to offering up the fervent hope that cholesterol does it's job and rids us Maru Kitteh Jul 2019 #52
He seems to live a charmed life! treestar Jul 2019 #92
Comedian/theologian Stephen Colbert said this: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #53
+1 Stephen nailed that. treestar Jul 2019 #93
These RW email chains are occult, hidden, and spread Hortensis Jul 2019 #54
Instead of writing "Christians" meaning people who are not Christians Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #57
That's a good idea. Also even the DEVIL can quote scripture. underthematrix Jul 2019 #58
color me stunned that people who support concentration camps also want RBG to die Takket Jul 2019 #59
They are worshipping the wrong god DBoon Jul 2019 #69
They adore a cruel and vengeful God Dirty Socialist Jul 2019 #71
I've pretty much ostracized almost all the Trump supporters in my life. backscatter712 Jul 2019 #72
I agree. These are the type we fought in WWII nini Jul 2019 #90
So much for right to life. KentuckyWoman Jul 2019 #74
Pretty sure these prayer humpers are zero for a NoMoreRepugs Jul 2019 #76
It's simple... ConnorMarc Jul 2019 #77
I'll admit Sogo Jul 2019 #78
Your in laws are assholes Gothmog Jul 2019 #84
well, I pray to Dog that #fatdonnie dies in front of his magats telling lies demtenjeep Jul 2019 #87
Perhaps these delusional idiots should give good old voodoo a shot? Zambero Jul 2019 #88
They're supporting nazis nini Jul 2019 #89
That is so nuts. And so awful. nt leftyladyfrommo Jul 2019 #94
psst ... GeorgeGist Jul 2019 #95
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
2. Yeah maybe that's it.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jul 2019

They were always bigots, but maybe the MAGA hats and their effect on blood supply to the brain have caused them to lose their ability to hide it.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
3. FAKE Christians...Tell your family that....
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jul 2019

For Jesus Christ NEVER preached the shit these people believe.

Reverse the psychology and throw Bible scripture back at them to contradict what they say. I doubt you will get much more garbage mail from them in the future.

trev

(1,480 posts)
27. I've tried that before.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jul 2019

I probably know more about the Bible than most of the thumpers, so I've countered a lot of their ignorance over the years. Didn't matter. They just ignored the verses they didn't like.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
28. To be fair, that almost never works.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019

They just say their interpretation of Christianity is right and yours is wrong, and there's no way for you to prove otherwise. Especially when they have a congregation, prayer group and/or preachers who agree with them.

trev

(1,480 posts)
30. Yeah, that was my point.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jul 2019

Christianity is a fractured religion. Each member believes what they want to. I have a theory about this, but it probably doesn't belong in this forum.

woodsprite

(11,912 posts)
85. To those people, I try to leave the gift of niggling doubt in their brain.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jul 2019

I say something like "Whatever.... You go ahead and believe what you want and I'll do the same. We'll see who's right in the end."

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
75. Agree. It is very important to tell people they are being fake Christians when they behave this way.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:38 PM
Jul 2019

Questioning them is not enough. The accusation needs to be made or they won't get that they aren't, in fact, Christians if they think and behave in a way that isn't Christian.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
91. I did that with my sister, she no longer speaks to me...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:46 AM
Jul 2019

I asked her when did Jesus preach that? Silence at the other end of the phone.

Her loss.

Baitball Blogger

(46,701 posts)
4. Someone needs to find a concise tweet to show
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jul 2019

how conservative judges have undermined our country. What part of what they did made them good Americans?

DFW

(54,365 posts)
5. Spread it around and see if they are still proud of themselves.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jul 2019

Send it to everyone, their church pastor, the Secret Service, the local press. See if their pride can stand the light of day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. This. Our targets are those who are appalled and
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:46 PM
Jul 2019

worried, wondering if they should and/or can vote again for Trump.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
11. Yes, it is.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jul 2019

If fantasizing about having sex with a married woman equals adultery, as Jesus taught, then surely fantasizing about the killing of an individual must equal murder.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
8. They prayed for Gawd to take Barack Obama, too.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:03 PM
Jul 2019

I ended friendships over shit like that when he was President. I'm sure they're praying for the demise of Pelosi and numerous other Dems, as well. Not that it matters. The very fact that the likes of Trump and McConnell remain in office, running roughshod over the country, hurting millions of people is just more proof that there is no "God." Or, at least not one that gives a shit about anything that goes on here.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
9. The whole time President Obama was in office
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:05 PM
Jul 2019

there were Christians, including members of the clergy, praying for him to die. This is nothing new.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
10. Wisconsin Synod Lutherans?
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jul 2019

That's what mine are and a few of them have mentioned RBG needing to die and get out of the way for a new appointee for Trump.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
63. They are members of a non-denominational bible church.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jul 2019

But most Christians love Trump so I'm not sure that's the determining factor.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
73. It's weird. They adore the guy
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 08:09 PM
Jul 2019

who is literally everything their holy book tells them is bad.

I have the same kind of relatives. DH and I are from Wisconsin and I'm shocked at what it has become. Grew up in Waukesha, which was full of union workers and Democrats, now it's horrible.

Celerity

(43,333 posts)
81. 'who is literally everything their holy book tells them is bad. '
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:46 PM
Jul 2019

Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf.

The Saviour came into the world in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one (MAGA Hat) in like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone (new US embassy) in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows.


Then, after the lioness, he sees a “second beast like a bear,” and that denoted the Persians (Russians). For after the Babylonians, the Persians held the sovereign power. And in saying that there were “three ribs in the mouth of it,” he pointed to three nations, viz., the Persians (Russians), and the Medes (Chinese), and the Babylonians (USA); which were also represented on the image by the silver after the gold.

By the beast, then, coming up out of the earth, he means the kingdom of Antichrist; and by the two horns he means him and the false prophet after him. And in speaking of "horns like a lamb," he means that he will make himself like the Son of God, and set himself forward as king. And the terms, "it spoke like a dragon," mean that he is a deceiver, and not truthful



Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170 – c. 236) held that the Antichrist would come from the tribe of Dan and would rebuild the Jewish temple on the Temple Mount





Trump to discuss Temple Mount with ambassador to Israel

David Friedman will meet US president, Kushner (second beast, and Ivanka is the image) and Greenblatt in Washington to mull over events of the past two weeks

31 July 2017, 4:33 pm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-to-discuss-temple-mount-with-ambassador-to-israel/





Zehut’s Feiglin says he wants to build Third Temple right away

Chairman of far-right party, which is enjoying growing popularity, is a longtime advocate of Jews’ rights on Temple Mount and has called for increased Israeli control over site

3 April 2019

https://www.timesofisrael.com/zehuts-feiglin-says-he-wants-to-build-third-temple-right-away/

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
82. I'm so glad that I tend not to believe in this
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:50 PM
Jul 2019

but you'd think that those who do would be crapping themselves about now.

Celerity

(43,333 posts)
86. show it to xians, lolol
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:03 AM
Jul 2019

and that was just me doing a 2 minute google search, all my own cuts

there MUST be detailed professionally done articles out there that draw even closer analogies to Rump and the Antikhristos ie. ἀ??ί???????

pazzyanne

(6,549 posts)
31. The person they worship is not Jesus,
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jul 2019

but their god is tRump. True followers of Christ do not follow false gods like tRump. As for using Bible quotes, I do that with my sister all the time. She gets mad and walks away, because it does not fit her narrative. Most of her quotes are from the Old Testament, so she and people like her are not Christians with a capital "C".

Different Drummer

(7,614 posts)
51. "True followers of Christ do not follow false gods like tRump."
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jul 2019

I believe that's addressed in at least one of the Ten Commandments.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
16. "What would Jesus do?"
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jul 2019

But they don't care about that anymore if they ever did.

And reminding them that RBG has a family that loves her will probably just excite even more cruelty from them.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,409 posts)
17. Disgusting and ghoulish
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:01 PM
Jul 2019

I think that I read somewhere that right-wing and Evangelical groups have already been plotting who might likely succeed RGB if something happens to her before Trump leaves office. And McConnell has already announced that he's going to ignore his own "rule" about not confirming a new Justice if a SCOTUS Justice leaves or retires next year during Election Year (because, of course, he's McConnell and that's what he does)

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
18. And people wonder why there is a "war against Christianity"
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jul 2019

Well, it's just like the war against any religious cult, Taliban, ISIS... There are extremist haters of everything decent and morally right.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
44. Yeah, as long as you claim to be Christian you're safe
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 05:11 PM
Jul 2019

Try saying Happy Chanukah and see what happens.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
67. Oh, I get THAT... I'm a Jew, and my wife converted from Christianity so she is too!
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jul 2019

You can only imagine how the in-laws feel about that turn of events. But that's a whole other megillah!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
83. I converted sixteen years ago through a conservative shul
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jul 2019

One of the rabbis who did the conversion asked me if I thought it was a good idea becoming Jewish "in these times." My answer was, "When is it ever a good time to be Jewish?" I think that scored me some points because they went ahead with conversion.

But it isn't until you really become Jewish and get involved with a community that you realize just how Christian this country really is. They say it isn't, but it definitely is.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
20. Be too bad if RBG put up her Prayer Shield and deflected the power of
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:34 PM
Jul 2019

those prayers and they accidentally hit the Traitor Trump. That would be so, so karmic.

mwb970

(11,358 posts)
21. American right-wing "Christians" are the cruelest, most heartless bastards on the planet.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jul 2019

And the most self-righteous. I can't STAND them!

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
22. Wow.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jul 2019

Not a good idea to pray like that. Because you're not invoking God.

Well, these evangelicals have been under the guidance of the Adversary for some time now.

TeamPooka

(24,221 posts)
26. Tell them that's a prayer that Satan will like since they seem to be on his side now, praying for
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:49 PM
Jul 2019

people to die and all.

 

bigbadR

(49 posts)
29. followers of the Anti-Christ
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019

All I have to say about this is that I pray for the Rapture every minute. Just think, what a wonderful world we could foster if these fools were gone.

bdjhawk

(420 posts)
39. My vision of the perfect rapture is the opposite
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

All of the good people who show concern for others, aren’t greedy oppressors, not hypocrites- they all head to heaven while these phony evangelicals are left with their mouths agape, a moronic look on their faces wondering where everyone went! They are the ones “left behind”!

Ms. Toad

(34,066 posts)
34. That hasno more to do with Christianity.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:17 PM
Jul 2019

Than radical terrorists who claim to be waging a holy war have to do with being Muslims.

These are sick individuals, regardless of what they claim to believe.

My father grew up in a Southern Baptist church, beleived all Christian valuestaught him, and became the first conscientious objector from theState in which he grew up in because for him it was inconceivable that Christ and the God he was taught about would ask him to pick up a gun and kill another human being. That is Christianity.

tavernier

(12,382 posts)
36. Obviously they've never tangled with karma.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:21 PM
Jul 2019

They may be opening themselves up for way more than what they bargained.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
37. Karma
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jul 2019

Im an atheiest mostly, as a way of readjusting the scales in the universe.

Your in-laws might be on for a surprise. Then it's your job to tell them that wishing death on a person is never a good idea.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
41. Mass Psychosis, not Christianity
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jul 2019

If they are capable of praying for Ginsberg or Obama to die, they are also capable of being willing participants in America's march towards fascism.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
42. New Christians are not about god
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:46 PM
Jul 2019

They are about justifying their own bigotry, in the name of god. If there was a god it would have surely made itself visible. In the absence of a god these people are just facist.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
46. May I suggest contacting as many media sources as you can think of with this email?
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jul 2019

Local and nationwide?

The hate this administration is fostering in others is a legitimate news story. Sometimes people like this will respond to public shaming. Either way, more should be made aware of what is happening.

Can you share the content of the email with us and possibly any of the entities it came from?

Different Drummer

(7,614 posts)
47. The wife of a first cousin of my mom's has expressed similar views on Zuckerbergbook.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jul 2019

I've long since unfollowed her, of course.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
52. I'll happily admit to offering up the fervent hope that cholesterol does it's job and rids us
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jul 2019

of Orange Manson.

I lay no claim to moral superiority nor do I invoke anybody's god to act on my behalf.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
53. Comedian/theologian Stephen Colbert said this:
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jul 2019

“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”

I can't think of a better way to put it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. These RW email chains are occult, hidden, and spread
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jul 2019

their messages along chains of friends and acquaintances to millions around the nation every day. And the media almost never mention them. Guess they think they're not cool because older people use them, but then these older people also vote in much higher percentages than young ones.

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
57. Instead of writing "Christians" meaning people who are not Christians
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:56 PM
Jul 2019

why don't we write non-christians without quotes?

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
58. That's a good idea. Also even the DEVIL can quote scripture.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:58 PM
Jul 2019

These are not Christians. They're part of Satan's army. WE have to accept that and move on.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
59. color me stunned that people who support concentration camps also want RBG to die
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jul 2019

to be fair, i shed zero tears when Scalia died (though i wasn't actively "praying" for him to die). he was a menace to society. unfortunately we found out the hard way that mcconnell is an even LARGER menace

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
72. I've pretty much ostracized almost all the Trump supporters in my life.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 08:04 PM
Jul 2019

Cut these pieces of shit out of your life.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
77. It's simple...
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jul 2019

Your in-laws and everyone that thinks and acts like them, aren't Christians.

There's nothing Christlike about what you described.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
87. well, I pray to Dog that #fatdonnie dies in front of his magats telling lies
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jul 2019

so maybe that will even it out

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
88. Perhaps these delusional idiots should give good old voodoo a shot?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:59 AM
Jul 2019

Since no God worth his or her salt would ever listen to these "prayers", the hopeful hatemongers could just shift gears and invest in a voodoo doll kit or two. And while they're at it, add snake handling to their repertoire, the more nasty and venomous the better!

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