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TygrBright

(20,753 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:40 PM Jul 2019

Why I DO want "medicare for all" and DON'T want "Medicare for all"

"WTF, Bright, you gone schizo all of a sudden?" Bet that popped into the head of many DU peeps who clicked on this post.

But a subset of DUers already suspect (accurately) that capitalizing "Medicare" in the second citation means I'm differentiating between "medicare for all" as a shorthand for "publicly funded and administered primary health insurance" and "Medicare for all" as the precise term for the current Medicare program.

And it matters.

And not making it clear *exactly* what we mean when we're talking about "M/medicare for all" produces a lot of heat and not much light.

The easy one: I do NOT want "Medicare for all" because, frankly, as wonderful as the Medicare program is, and as grateful as I am for it, it would simply not meet the needs of most Americans. It's designed very specifically for elderly Americans. Coverage for pediatric medicine, obstetrics, and other services used by non-elderly people might be quite problematic.

In addition to that, while over the past few years the darling esposo and myself have learned, with professional help, to navigate the various plan offerings at annual renewal, it DID take professional help to sort out which of many options is best for us.

A system that requires professional help to navigate the choices is more in the "part of the problem" territory than in the "solutions" box.

So, grateful as I am for "Medicare", I don't believe "Medicare for all" is a viable solution to America's health care crisis.

On the other hand, I am absolutely gung-ho about "medicare for all"!

That is, a system that provides universal access to a fairly comprehensive array of commonly-needed and cost-effective health, dental, etc., services for Americans of all ages, funded through taxes and administered by a central agency with the multi-faceted mandate of:

a) assuring everyone is signed up and understands how to use the program and get good health care;

b) assuring covered services are accessible to everyone;

c) monitoring the quality of services and ensuring they are safe and effective;

d) identifying and addressing 'high cost' areas (such as emergency-room use, over-testing, price gouging by drug and device makers, etc., etc.,) devising and implementing cost control strategies that don't shut people out of needed care; and

e) working constructively with private insurers and health care professionals who provide supplementary insurance and additional private-pay care (just, for example, as Medicare now works with private-insurer providers of Part C coverage).

I suspect, given their existing experience with case management and administration, such an agency would end up being a combination of the existing Medicare administration and the existing Medicaid administration, with the Feds taking on certain parts of the mandate and State-based branches doing the actual customer service.

And since back in 1986 the Community Action Agency I worked for was part of an administrative cost analysis survey that found private insurance costs between 13 and 28 cents of every health care dollar to administer, 'HMO' type insurers cost between 15 and 21 cents, Medicare (at the time) costed about 6 cents per dollar, and Medicaid costed THREE OR FOUR CENTS of every dollar to administer, we would see pretty substantial savings just from that. I'd bet that even if those numbers have changed in the last forty-some years, the proportions remain similar.

Yes, it's complicated. Yes, I'm oversimplifying a bit.

But not all THAT much. This is not make-a-successful-moonshot-with-1960s-tech or devise-a-superweapon-with-1940s-tech complicated. We have all the elements we need to make such a system work, and work well.

What's lacking is political will.

And we won't overcome the problem of too many elected officials being in the pockets of profit-greedy health care ghouls until we have some consensus about what we want and how to express it in simple terms.

If that's "medicare for all" then fine. If not, someone come up with a better, clearer, more pithy and descriptive term. I'm happy to accommodate.

opinionatedly,
Bright

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Why I DO want "medicare for all" and DON'T want "Medicare for all" (Original Post) TygrBright Jul 2019 OP
change medicare for all to MEDICAL care for all. eliminates the MFA confusion nt msongs Jul 2019 #1
How about Medicaid for all? Dirty Socialist Jul 2019 #2
I think the semantic problems inherent there would submarine that. TygrBright Jul 2019 #4
I guess Dirty Socialist Jul 2019 #7
Omg Thank you ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #3
I think we should add rural health clinics to our platform... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #6
Agree 100 percent ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #11
Yes! on the provider shortage. TygrBright Jul 2019 #8
Some medical schools are decreasing open spots ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #10
We have rural incentives here, in multiple forms, but they're too simple. TygrBright Jul 2019 #13
I use to be a controller at a medical clinic. I get the thought that you and I think alike here. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #12
As always, the devil is in the details... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #5
When you don't have to sign up for ... GeorgeGist Jul 2019 #9

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
2. How about Medicaid for all?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jul 2019

That would cover everyone for everything.
Then add in strict price controls, like they do in Western Europe

TygrBright

(20,753 posts)
4. I think the semantic problems inherent there would submarine that.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:51 PM
Jul 2019

Many people are okay with "Medicare" because they have paid into it all their lives and it is a case of "I earned it, I have a right to it".

But many of the same people see "Medicaid" as "a taxpayer-funded handout to all those undeserving people Not Like Me".

Semantics do matter.

sadly,
Bright

ismnotwasm

(41,956 posts)
3. Omg Thank you
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jul 2019

I am a nurse who works in a large teaching hospital with more than our share of the under-served. I know just a bit about how providers and hospitals are reimbursed. I would add to your list, that we are facing a provider shortage. That rural communities often have inadequate or non-existent clinics. I could add many more needs, but to have people cared for, we need the folks who do that caring.

I know that the topic is incredibly complicated, and a “M4A” as a political slogan isn’t helpful to facilitate discussion.

Wounded Bear

(58,587 posts)
6. I think we should add rural health clinics to our platform...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jul 2019

set up a program to help local communities fund a local clinic.

A Clinic in Every County. The ACA had a community health centers bit in it IIRC. That should be expanded and doubled down on.

TygrBright

(20,753 posts)
8. Yes! on the provider shortage.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jul 2019

That's included in part b) of the mandate I outlined: assuring ACCESS.

Living in New Mexico you can't tell us much about the shortage of providers and services in rural areas, and the difficulties people face accessing care in a market where providers are woefully undercompensated and overworked.

It would cost a shitload LESS than the whole "cancer moonshot" to implement subsidies for providers in underserved areas and to set up a network of telehealth, mobile service equipment and shared facilities in rural areas to improve access.

But no one's yet figured out a way to make a pantload of profit for greedy-ass V-cappers to do that, so it's not being done.

sadly,
Bright

ismnotwasm

(41,956 posts)
10. Some medical schools are decreasing open spots
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jul 2019

In what is already a crowed, competitive field. There are rural incentives for nurses and Nurse practitioners at least in Washington state. There are incentives for Advanced degree psych nursing as well.

It HAS to be done for a viable program , no matter what we call it.

TygrBright

(20,753 posts)
13. We have rural incentives here, in multiple forms, but they're too simple.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jul 2019

What we are finding is that the "lone provider" incentive rarely works for any length of time. You have to think in terms of clusters and networks.

And then you have to rework things like staffing rates and which type of license does what functions, and add in plenty of case management tools.

AND DECREASING THE GODDAMN PAPERWORK WOULD HELP, TOO.

wearily,
Bright

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
12. I use to be a controller at a medical clinic. I get the thought that you and I think alike here.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jul 2019

People outside the medical community describe health care that they want from an over simplified patient point of view. The nuts and bolts are left out because they don’t know anything about them.

Saying health care is a right is like saying public education is a right. We provide the schools with property taxes. Private individuals provide health care, drugs, medical equipment and the facilities. If they chose not to do that then there is no right.

Wounded Bear

(58,587 posts)
5. As always, the devil is in the details...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jul 2019

How it gets implemented is far more important than the name we apply to it.

You can bet that Repubs will fight tooth and nail to block any improvement to health care in America. But I don't have a problem with "aim high and then take what you can get."

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