He is going to be impeached

[malaise]

E. J. is correct - the number is up to 95 now. 137 voted to table.
The drips will soon be a a burst pipe. Just wait for next week and Mueller.

[myohmy2]

1. bless you...

...with 192,484 post you've got to right...

...impeach...

...

[hot2na]

38. "If it's what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer."

The Republican voters who are sticking with Trump have to know that Trump will be investigated and impeached. I doubt that he will be re-elected but if that happens, he will be continue to investigated and impeached. In fact If Trump loses he will continue to be investigated. There is no escape. If the Republicans don't understand that now, they will eventually come to understand that a vote for Trump is a vote for endless investigations and impeachment. Hopefully enough of them see the futility.

Nancy Pelosi is waging a war of attrition. She is playing the long game and her strategy is the correct one.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.

British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”

[calimary]

43. BOOM!!!!! BOOM-BABBA-BOOM-BOOM!!!!!!!!!

And I love it, too.

[malaise]

70. This should be an OP

Great stuff

[DownriverDem]

109. Agree

Nancy knows what she is doing. Those who want impeachment now do not know how it goes. Hopefully they are paying attention. They might learn something about Nancy's fantastic skills.

[StarfishSaver]

2. I think so, too

And when it happens, it will be clear that it was an organic process demanded by the American public - not something foisted on the country by the Democratic leadership.

[uponit7771]

5. +1, for pizzagate planet it will never be deliberate but it looks like dems will have the middle of

... the spectrum on our side for impeachment and then reThugs in the senate will have to eat their votes against removal.

2020 should be interesting

[Lars39]

3. The first count I remember was 59...

I'm trying to hold my impatience. 95 is great!

[uponit7771]

4. Yep, just saw that ... dems are smart to be deliberate. The other comment EJ made was probably all

... of the 137 who voted to table think he's already done impeachable crap.

Greens motion was a net positive IMHO

[yellowdogintexas]

89. Congressman Al Greene is a ball of fire!

I have heard him speak at several Texas Democratic Conventions.

He always brings the house down

He filed his first impeachment motion on the first day of the new Congress in 2017 and has continued to do so.

[MFM008]

6. Agree!

[OnDoutside]

7. Not to correct you, but to be pedantic...

He is not going to be impeached. There aren't the votes in the Senate to impeach him.

In September/October, there may be an Impeachment Inquiry.

[malaise]

8. Impeachment takes place in the House

Never forget Clinton was impeached and the Senate did not vote to remove him.

[OnDoutside]

16. So what's the benefit to the Democratic Party when the Senate doesn't remove him ?

[leftieNanner]

17. Holding serious fact-filled hearings

Remember that the House has more power and more latitude in an impeachment process than they normally do. And this would get a lot of his dirty laundry out in the open.

[kentuck]

24. Do you think uncovering facts might influence some voters?

Regardless of what the Senate might say or do?

[leftieNanner]

28. I do think so

I also like the idea of impeaching him in the House and then not referring it to the Senate for Mitch's usual treatment of ignore and deflect.

[malaise]

33. Yes

yes yes, but I am more patient than many DUers. Timing is everything - let's get all the details out there first.

[Zoonart]

40. I agree my dear Malaise.

I have to believe. This is too monstrous to continue. This administration is the perversion of everything this country stands for.

[bdamomma]

111. not administration

it's more a regime/cult

[jberryhill]

35. Yes

There weren’t the votes in the Senate to impeach Nixon initially either.

[pazzyanne]

71. And Nixon resigned rather than go through impeachment.

tRump not so much.

[jberryhill]

74. He resigned because the numbers flopped on him

The point is - by the time he resigned, the votes were there.

[yellowdogintexas]

90. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when Senator Goldwater

told him what the score really was.

[watoos]

41. Yes,

Congress will get the grand jury testimony.

[quakerboy]

115. Probably wont change any true republican votes

But it might make enough non voters angry/aware to make a difference.

Most especially it could make a difference in the senate races. House investigates, sets out the evidence, impeaches, Republicans blindly vote party lines and back trump, Senate does the same.. And now we have solid evidence that some of these more vulnerable senators are not moderate or in line with their states

[Jakes Progress]

86. Just how do you see this "fact filled hearing" taking place.

Why do you think it will provide more information that we have now? Why do you think that the grinning idiots from his rallies will listen to facts? Why do you think that anyone called to testify will do so? Who will make them do that? Every single republican with an IQ over 60 knows trump is a liar, traitor, their, rapist. Why do you think empty hearings will change what they do?

The only way to remove him from office is to own the House and Senate. If we get over our bad case of stupidity and self-centeredness, we can vote him out and kick turtle out of the Senate leadership. If not, having given trump a tool like a failed impeachment hearing will only get us 4 more years of hate and greed.

Why do so many people think they know more about politics and how the government works than Nancy Pelosi? Read this:

[div class="https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/16/1872094/-Pelosi-Isn-t-Calling-for-an-Impeachment-Vote-Because-Math"]

[OnDoutside]

94. Yes they would have more leeway, but the problem is

Republicans have already said that they will still block witnesses, and would delay them through the courts for as long as possible too. That's why I've been waiting to see how some of those early cases go, especially the Tax Returns case by Richie Neal. If they're successful, then by all means start an impeachment inquiry.

[Mr.Bill]

27. The benefit is

your grandchildren and great grandchildren will not have to learn in school that Bill Clinton was impeached and Donald Trump was not.

[OnDoutside]

92. Wow, that's a fantastic win in ensuring Trump doesn't get a second

term, that'll show him. Meanwhile it goes nowhere in the Senate and he declares victory.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

98. educate the ELECTORATE

Piss on McConnell's lap-dog Senate. Impeachment takes place in the House.

There are still a great many people in this country who think we are in only slightly weird political times. They are too busy trying to pay bills to keep up with the things we here on DU actively devour.

This mess is so huge that the tv networks don't even know how to present it to their "consumers". House hearings into the criminal activities can bring the general public up to speed. Instead of the occasional buzz about racist rallies, the electorate gets ongoing fact-finding day after day after day. Months of this, with the occasional bombshell that even broadcast tv can't ignore, will have most voters informed of the scale of the threat to their very lives and livelihood.

[quakerboy]

116. You do realise

he has already declared victory, and his primary evidence of his innocence is that even with a solid majority, House Democrats won't begin the process to impeach him.

[triron]

105. They are shirking their constitutional duty by not opening an inquiry.

[calimary]

50. And remember, the Senate's failure to convict did NOT nullify the original impeachment.

Didn't take it away.

Didn't overturn it.

That STAYS in the history books.

So what if he didn't get convicted and removed? The impeachment still stood. And still stands to THIS VERY HOUR.

ANY history book you pick up, there will be that asterisk by Bill Clinton's name. That he was IMPEACHED. And that goes to the ages and through the ages.

THAT'S why I want donald impeached. I want that mark by his name for all of history.

For ALL time.

[malaise]

52. Could not say it better

How are you doing since losing your doggie?

[calimary]

57. Hi malaise...

Sort of limping along. It was last Friday, the 12th. This is the 17th now. Still getting choked up, but those moments are starting to lessen a little.

LORDY this one was hard. I've lost many a fur baby before. But this one was rather devastating.

Thank you for asking.

[malaise]

61. My beloved Roots died nearly 30 years ago

I cried for a month and like you she wasn't my first dog (or cat). I know what you're going through.

[dewsgirl]

101. I am so sorry. I lost mine one month ago today, I cried

for a week. Still so very lost without her. I was ok for the most part, until I read a thread on here last night. I fell apart all over again. I too have lost many in the past. This one has been the hardest. I hope things get easier for you.

[calimary]

118. Lordy, do I get that. Today (Friday) is the one-week mark.

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2019, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)

DAYUM this one was hard. And I’ve lost quite a few beloved pets in my life. Loved them all. Heartbroken at every passing. But DAYUM, this one was crushing.

You have all my empathy and moral support in your own loss. Just know that you certainly don’t grieve alone. I’m right there with ya. I suspect there are loads of others here in the same boat.

[Initech]

9. No and he will gloat like a mad man at his next MAGA hate rally.

[uponit7771]

13. He will gloat at his next MAGA Hate rally even if he was dragged out of the White House and punched

... the in face repeatedly by a migrant parent who's child his policy lost.

Red Don isn't sane ... he's not a logical being

[cate94]

21. Thanks

I’m not a migrant parent but I’d love to help ... hahaha. Otoh, you are right, he isn’t sane, ugh, so I can’t punch him in the face for being nuts.

[Ptah]

10. but to be pedantic - the Senate does not impeach, the House does.

[Poiuyt]

14. Dammit, you beat me to the witty response.

[Ptah]

15. Comunity pendantic club meating 2pm.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181237215

[uponit7771]

11. removal in the senate impeachment in the house, he can be impeached but not removed and dems don't

... even have to forward the vote for removal leaving the senate out of the process.

There are no really good reasons against impeachment other than timing when it comes to politics right now.

[Poiuyt]

12. Just to be pedantic

He can be impeached in the House. The Senate votes to convict, which would mean removal.

[Penn Voter]

18. The Senate does NOT impeach n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. He could be *impeached.* The question is whether he will be *convicted* in the senate.

Impeachment (by the House) is sort of like an indictment; conviction is by the Senate. They are not the same.

[whopis01]

65. To correct you and to be pedantic...

The Senate does not play a role in impeachment. It is only up to the House.

[pnwmom]

93. Actually, impeachment is more like an indictment, and it takes place in the House.

The Senate votes up or down on a conviction.

So Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but he stayed in office because he wasn't convicted in the Senate.

[leftieNanner]

19. I really respect EJ

Where did you hear him say this?

[malaise]

23. on M$NBComcast

I too like EJ

[leftieNanner]

32. I enjoy reading his thoughtful columns in the newspaper

Although I don't know how long we will see him and Leonard Pitts locally. Our paper was purchased by a group supported by Sinclair Broadcasting.

They have already been called out loudly by some of their toxic OpEds. My town is a very blue one surrounded by a lot of red.

[bucolic_frolic]

20. Allow me to translate this into Mitch for you

Impeachment = Merrick Garland

But Mitch will be front and center from there on out

[Jakes Progress]

22. A little information helps. Read this please.

I want to jump up and down and celebrate the orange one in an orange suit too.

But .... math.



[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/16/1872094/-Pelosi-Isn-t-Calling-for-an-Impeachment-Vote-Because-Math|

[FakeNoose]

25. Speaker Pelosi didn't table it - she let the vote go through to the floor

We all know ... it's only a matter of time.

[malaise]

29. Love your tick tock

clock

[BlancheSplanchnik]

66. Interesting backdrop

for the weird electronic psychedelic music I was listening to.

[spanone]

26. Yes. He. Is. s

and sooner than later.

[MadDAsHell]

30. Bookmarking. nt

[ok_cpu]

34. I believe you are correct

I think it means something that the number was 95 for something that was never expected to pass. I think that provided some cover for table votes and that the tipping point is much closer than all of the 137 votes to table.

In the meantime, republicans have been allowed to be way too comfortable. tRump is a lightning rod, attracting all of the attention, and allowing his party to fly under the radar.

Force them to go on record either supporting his hideousness or rebuking him. If they stand with him, club them with it in 2020. Or, if some cracks can be created, the dam should break quickly.

[LiberalFighter]

36. And the Mueller hearing hasn't started yet.

[elocs]

37. No, Trump will not be impeached. Heads at DU will explode then.

Impeachment will not remove Trump from office, which is all he cares about, and neither will it hold him responsible for anything.

If somebody who is indicted for a crime fails to be convicted, exactly how are they then considered to be held responsible for their accused crimes? The only thing impeachment will do is to allow Trump to crow and brag about how he was vindicated of the false charges against him. And it won't take long to get sick of that.

[watoos]

44. According to one of Trump's book writers you are wrong,

One of Trump's authors stated that an impeachment hearing will devastate Trump.

Remember, Trump lies, so when he says he hopes to be impeached.......

A Narcissist being dragged through the mud cannot be enjoyable.

What the Senate does is not relevant. If Trump warrants to be impeached it is the duty, the obligation of the House to impeach him.

[malaise]

46. Right now he is terrified of those clips with Epstein

and young women - I agree with you - the shame and disgrace of impeachment will destroy him.

[watoos]

62. I fear Barr will shut down

The Epstein case. Barr is just as evil as Trump.

[bdamomma]

112. I would love more women

to come forward and talk about that 1992 event.

tRump is going to meet his fate.

[malaise]

114. Well Epstein is meeting his

We can hope

[uponit7771]

120. THIS !!!! ... is the main reason I think he'll call black folk the N-word next week and bomb Iran

... I don't think he cares about Mueller all that much.

More Epstein News, videos and pics would be bad for Red Don's campaign.

[redstateblues]

72. This will be a victory for Trump once the Senate declares he's innocent.

[uponit7771]

121. Trump will say its a victory no matter if he's dragged from the White House in an orange suit. Red

... Don is not sane

[Kurt V.]

39. i wish an inquiry would start. but $$ override public sentiment, so no.

[elocs]

54. So there's overwhelming public sentiment for impeachment? Wow! n/t

[stopdiggin]

103. wondering when someone was going to get around to saying this

So that was -- underwhelming! But now we're going to spin it that 135 to "table" is actually a positive. But of course the old witch doesn't know what she's doing.

[Goodheart]

42. The writing is on the wall.

Pretty soon Pelosi will have to call for impeachment or lose her leadership.

[mrsadm]

45. Who is E J?

EJ Dionne?

[malaise]

47. Yes

[mrsadm]

59. Thank you

Sometimes I feel like an outsider to the DU club ...

I do read “EJ” often.

I was very disappointed about the impeachment no-vote today but I hope it will re-appear at a propitious time.

[magicarpet]

99. Very helpful and friendly crowd here....

If you need clarification to help achieve better understandings do not hesitate to reach out and ask......

[DallasNE]

48. Today I Heard

That when Congress returns from August recess following Labor Day the Judiciary Committee (I believe) will open an inquiry into whether to proceed with Impeachment. We shall see but it sounded like a done deal.

[malaise]

69. Timing is everything

That will be great

[watoos]

49. I hope malaise is right,

but I don't think that Pelosi will impeach. The House is coming upon another lengthy vacation, I'm afraid it's way too late now.

[OliverQ]

51. I disagree.

I just don't think there will be enough and of course the Senate will immediately put a stop to it.

[elocs]

55. But this is the DU alternate universe where if you really, really want something to happen,

it will. They really should start hoping that Trump will get sucked into a parallel dimension because that would really solve the problem. Then hello President Pence! Happy days will be here again.

[DeminPennswoods]

53. I think so, too

Tomorrow the Michael Cohen search warrants and other government filings are going to be released to the public. Barr tried to get some redactions, but the judge said no and he will release all documents unredacted. There will be a lot of new information out there showing how Individual 1 was involved in paying hush money while holding the office of president.

Next week Mueller will testify. That will be wall-to-wall coverage not even the Trumpers can avoid seeing.

After those two events, I believe Dems will overwhelmingly support opening an impeachment inquiry as the best way to get all the information out in public. Dems don't even have to vote on impeachment, but they do need to have attention focused on one committee, the Judiciary, not divided among 6 or 7 different ones. Nadler can call members or staff from those committees as expert witnesses if needed.

[malaise]

67. My thinking too and son't forget Epstein as well

Drip drip and an eventual busted pipe exposing even more.

[tymorial]

56. Even if it's straight party line support

I don't believe Pelosi is going to allow it. We could get Democrats to vote for impeachment today. They may not publicly support it but it's a vote was taken they would vote to impeach. She is never going to support impeachment unless the Senate is on board and they are never going to be on board and therefore we will never see impeachment. Pelosi is looking at this entirely from a political point of view rather than an duty and obligation.

She is hoping that these hearings and inquiries sway public opinion to force Republicans. That is the only plan. It's not secret. It's not Grand. It's not 7th dimensional chassis other people have stated. Quite frankly it's obvious and it's the only way she will ever allow impeachment to take place

These hearings will never change public opinion. The only thing that may change their opinion is if we fall into a recession and the economy goes in the tank. People need to lose their jobs and houses and their retirement in order for them to wake up and pay attention.

I'm sorry if this isn't what some people want to hear but I truly believe it's the reality. We could have a million hearings and Mueller testify. The media is not going to give it a fair shake and the public is not going to be tickled enough to wake up and pay attention.

If at this point you have not formed an opinion on impeachment then you never will unless something shakes you out of your stupor... that something is always money

[stopdiggin]

104. they did vote today. (NT)

[fescuerescue]

119. The notion of changing peoples minds

is really a myth. How many people in your lifetime have you seen flip their views due to a single candidate/politician? It's really pretty rare. And those that do, they generally only do it once.

As for the hearings. Well it's not 1972 anymore with 3 channels and all 3 channels holding Watergate hearings. The only people that will watch the hearings are those who have already read the Mueller report and followed along already.

The notion that a mass of political naive people will switch away from Netflix to watch CSPAN and suddenly learn that Trump is compromised is just silly. Those that know already know. Those that don't will never know.

What matters is getting people out to vote - our people.

Nancy Pelosi is weighing - will a failed impeachment get more Dems out to vote, or get more Republicans out to vote? Reasonable people can argue over that, but it's clear that Pelosi has already decided this for herself.

[still_one]

58. Songs n spite of what some have been proclaiming, we haven't had the votes to impeach in the House

yet?

[Claritie Pixie]

60. Hell yeah he is! We can't crack til we get there.

Fortitude, people!

[JGug1]

63. He Is Going To Be Impeached

Perhaps, but not today. Let's see what Mueller has to say. My wife has been reading the report (which the man who is writing the book about it says doesn't need to be read by us all). She is plodding through it and tells me that it contains more than enough to remove the orange monster from office (my words, not hers).
I think I'll go over and see what he odds of him completing his term are. In a perfect world, he is impeached and removed from office...oh, say, about November 1, 2020. Would't that be something?

[redstateblues]

73. Impeachment does not remove him from office. The Senate will declare him innocent.

It will be a victory for Trump

[CanonRay]

64. It should happen

but I don't believe it will. Pelosi is slow-walking everything, and impeachment would probably take two years.

[Skittles]

68. "The United States can always be relied upon to do the right thing.....

..... having first exhausted all possible alternatives.”

Winston Churchill

[mcar]

75. Things are breaking

This is a slow process.

[bdamomma]

117. not to be doom and gloom

empires do fall, is this our time, or will we RISE??

[sandensea]

76. This is almost exactly what happened in '73.

When Father Robert Drinan (at the time, a Massachusetts Congressman) introduced the first impeachment resolution, he got I believe around 20 votes.

A year later, Tricky Dick was gone.

[malaise]

78. See that is why history matters

It's a lengthy process - you have to cover the bases and wake people up

[sandensea]

81. +1

Everything takes time, if you wanna do it right.

[BamaRefugee]

77. And I say IMPEACH, IMPEACH,IMPEACH over and over again, on different grounds each time. I've never

seen, heard, or read that there is a limit to impeachable offenses.
Just do it endlessly, throw the game back in the Rethuglican's face, they ALWAYS just play to grind down resistance.

[cwydro]

79. I doubt it.

Very much.

Bookmarked.

[study war no more]

80. I wish

I wish, but I will believe it when I see it.

[malaise]

82. What a fabulous user name

Welcome to DU

[mahina]

88. Welcome to DU!

[bullwinkle428]

83. Nancy said that impeachment is exactly what he wants; therefore, she will not

set those wheels in motion.

[CaptainTruth]

84. I agree. And from what I've seen, the articles of impeachment were crap.

My lovely wife said the Articles only included Trump's racist tweets.

If true, that's BS. Trump has done 100x more than those tweets. Any Articles should have included FAR more.

If true, forcing a vote on crappy BS articles that was destined to fail did NOT help our cause.

[DeminPennswoods]

85. Jamie Raskin was on with Chris Hayes

He said Green's motion was actual articles of impeachment. To draw 95 votes is impressive. Raskin went on to say there were probably over 100 Dems now who support an impeachment inquiry.

[yellowdogintexas]

91. correct. Greene's motion was the real deal

Completely separate from the big resolution event

[ancianita]

87. Hanging in but pretty depressed and crabby.

[Mike Niendorff]

95. Agreed.

This shot at impeachment was never going to pass -- and EVERYONE who voted for it knew it.

It was also a direct end-run around Pelosi -- and EVERYONE who voted for it knew it.

**95 votes**.

Just on his recent tweets. No Mueller. No contempt. No obstruction. Just the tweets.

That is a HUGE number for this.

MUCH higher than I expected, and 10 votes higher than the highest pro-impeachment whip-count I've seen to date.

This vote represents fully **40%** of the Democratic caucus in the House.

If I was Nancy Pelosi tonight, I'd be losing some serious sleep.


MDN

[malaise]

96. Great post THIS

MUCH higher than I expected, and 10 votes higher than the highest pro-impeachment whip-count I've seen to date.

[stopdiggin]

106. yeah, Nancy's losing a lot of sleep

that's some serious spin you got going there, pardner. gettin' dizzy yet?

[orangecrush]

97. KICK

[NNadir]

100. I am pleased my congresswoman was among the 95.

I've sent numerous emails on the subject, with no response, but when push came to shove she was there.

[Joe941]

102. We will be rid of him soon. The long nightmare is soon over.

[Laelth]

107. As each day passes, impeachment looks less-and-less likely.

I think that impeachment is completely off the table at this point. I think that Speaker Pelosi is making a mistake, but, mercifully, it is her call to make, not mine. I continue to respect and trust her judgment.

-Laelth

[BlueJac]

108. We will get there...

I hoper not to late.

[tiptonic]

110. Oh please

Oh please be right, (I truly hope u r) malaise. Then send him to jail with Epstien.

[AllaN01Bear]

113. while we are at it , lets also remove most of the executive branch,

the judicial and the speake and many of the senate too also. would make my day.