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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone here care about Rand Paul blocking funding for 9/11 first responders?
I ask because there were two threads on this yesterday and both got little notice. This is a real issue the affects the lives of real people. Yet most here seemed more interested in the usual partisan bickering.
As liberals/progressives/democrats we are supposed to care about helping people not just about scoring points against the other team.
This is an important bill that will save lives, why is there so little interest in it?
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... not just during an election.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And thats the problem.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... on this issue
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,269 posts)the numbers to block it and is playing a partisan game by not bringing it up for a vote. He doesnt want the various constituant backlash. Dont paste the partisan BS on the Democrats, thats dishonest and BS.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)All Democrats are in favor of the bill.
BigmanPigman
(51,432 posts)That could help.
What is up with the Kentucky (no offense to DUers there)? Is there something in the water?
handmade34
(22,755 posts)...
BigmanPigman
(51,432 posts)Good for him. Which show was he on? Shep Smith? I couldn't imagine him on Hannity or one of the other known racist/rapist lovers on Fux.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And we shouldnt have to wait for a celebrity weighs in before caring about something.
.99center
(1,237 posts)How long have you been following this issue?
Odd that you'd take a swipe at someone that's been instrumental in pressuring Republicans to do the right thing for nearly a decade.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But people shouldnt need to wait for a celebrity to care about an important issue.
Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)I want to stand up and scream "You Forgot 911"
Submariner
(12,485 posts)instead of just freaking him out.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Is my memory lying to me? I think he broke six of his ribs. Definitely counts as beating the crap outta him...
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)My commenting upon it on a Democratic web forum is definitely going to move that needle.
Do you really think that out-of-state Democrats have any influence over Rand Paul?
What do you want to have said which was not already said by someone in the two threads you mentioned? Or do you want people to post pointlessly repetitive replies as some sort of virtue signaling?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)impeachment?
People post and respond about what they care about. Too bad so few care about this.
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)People's reasons for posting, or not, are complex, variable, and multilayered.
For example, people might be more likely to post if the topic is controversial (9/11 responder funding is not; nor is the fact that Rand Paul is a knob). Or if they have something new/different to add to a thread which has not yet been said. Or if they have something funny/interesting to say.
The notion that people don't care about 9/11 first responder funding because they don't post about it is facile.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)You just dont want to admit it.
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)You have declared that people work one way, only one way, and -- and this is critical -- YOU know precisely what it is.
I have said that people work in varied and variable ways.
If you persist in insisting you magically have certain, perfect knowledge about why people do what they do, then I cannot help you understand why people are not behaving in a way which is pleasing to you.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and completely define the motives and reasoning of all those around must be a very comforting world; the Right lives in such a world, and evidently some on the Left have chosen that state as well, sad to say.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)of the way things work in this forum. Why are you so defensive? Did I hit a nerve?
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)internal workings. You do not. Not only do you not know it, you *cannot* observe it.
As for defensiveness, I have none on this issue. If I were to, it would be utterly without good reason -- as has amply been explained elsewhere in this thread, there is no reason for *anyone* to be defensive, because the complaint you level in the OP is nonsensical.
I do, however, have limited tolerance for the muddled logic you displayed in the OP and have continued throughout this thread.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And angry. Maybe I did hit a nerve.
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)bdamomma
(63,658 posts)has been calling them out or Rand Paul. There are those who just don't care about those who put their lives on the line, but I heard on the news just now they are voting next Tuesday and voting this in for more money.
maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)What do you want us to do about it? I could assault him on this property and break multiple ribs; he wouldn't stop being a ballsack. A ballsack with a perm.
He's grandstanding to make it look like he gives a flying fuck about the debt and deficit, but he voted for the Trump Tax Scam. He'll back down soon enough.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)impeachment either but that doesnt stop people from commenting on it.
People post about the issues they care about. It is a shame so few seem to care about this.
maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)what is the point of scolding people for not caring adequately on this particular one?
rand "ballsack with a perm" paul's already said he's NOT blocking it:
"Though Paul, from Kentucky, opposed New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrands motion to send the legislation to President Donald Trumps desk via unanimous consent, he said later on Twitter he did not object to the bill itself. Rather, he wanted to ensure there was at least debate on how it should be funded."
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)really impacts peoples lives.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016234162
9/11 first responder who testified with Jon Stewart enters hospice
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212289136
Rand Paul stops unanimous passage of 9/11 first responders funding bill
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212288271
Rand Paul blocks Senate from approving 9/11 victim compensation fund
Codeine
(25,586 posts)so ultimately theres very little to discuss. How much of an echo chamber must DU be to satisfy your caring criteria?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)on impeachment at this point. But that doesnt stop anyone.
People post about what they care about. Too bad so few care about this.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)because we have much disagreement about impeachment here at DU. There are multiple points of view regarding if we should proceed, when we should proceed, how we should proceed, and what the end result will be. We disagree about the risks, the costs, and the outcomes. We disagree about leadership roles, about must vs should vs can.
Contentious subject matter engenders contentious discussion and argument. No such disagreement exists on the subject of first responder support, and therefore little has been said.
That you characterize this universal agreement as not caring is merely a logical failure on your part.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But reality.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I cant logic you out of a position you didnt logic yourself into. Be well.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)No need to be so defensive..
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Your persistent inability to understand what has been explained to you in excruciating detail by multiple posters is utterly ridiculous. Are you genuinely not understanding that?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And so was this one.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The term passive aggression applies too. Pretending to be reasonably debating when in reality attacking those he disagrees with pseudo reasonableness. Thats what this thread was created for.
The ***** feigns ignorance and politeness, so that if the target is provoked into making an angry response, the ***** can then act as the aggrieved party.
Very tedious. The people that do this are boring and predictable.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)he can get a job at SeaWorld.
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)and you might actually succeed in convincing yourself you are the brave hero DU needs.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and please dont put words in my mouth.
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)who did not post in the threads you deem necessary to post in. You can settle down with complaints about words being put in one's mouth, or mind.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)about the lack of interest about a very important issue. Dont be so defensive about it.
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Not that anyone here is doing that, of course not.
Takket
(21,425 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)check out his record of BS
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492
From Jan 2011 to Jul 2019, Paul missed 93 of 2,459 roll call votes, which is 3.8%. This is much worse than the median of 1.5% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.
Line chart with 36 data points.
The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories. Range: 36 categories.
The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.
Chart graphic.
25th PercentileMedian75th Percentile90th PercentileMissed Votes (%)
Missed Votes (%)2011 Jan-Mar2011 Apr-Jun2011 Jul-Sep2011 Oct-Dec2012 Jan-Mar2012 Apr-Jun2012 Jul-Sep2012 Nov-Dec2013 Jan-Jan2013 Jan-Mar2013 Apr-Jun2013 Jul-Sep2013 Oct-Dec2014 Jan-Mar2014 Apr-Jun2014 Jul-Sep2014 Nov-Dec2015 Jan-Mar2015 Apr-Jun2015 Jul-Sep2015 Oct-Dec2016 Jan-Mar2016 Apr-Jun2016 Jul-Sep2016 Nov-Dec2017 Jan-Mar2017 Apr-Jun2017 Jul-Sep2017 Oct-Dec2018 Jan-Mar2018 Apr-Jun2018 Jul-Sep2018 Oct-Dec2019 Jan-Mar2019 Apr-Jun2019 Jul-Jul0102030
Time Period Votes Eligible Missed Votes Percent Percentile
2011 Jan-Mar 46 4 8.7% 89th
2011 Apr-Jun 58 1 1.7% 29th
2011 Jul-Sep 49 5 10.2% 87th
2011 Oct-Dec 82 7 8.5% 96th
2012 Jan-Mar 63 1 1.6% 67th
2012 Apr-Jun 109 1 0.9% 47th
2012 Jul-Sep 28 1 3.6% 60th
2012 Nov-Dec 50 1 2.0% 59th
2013 Jan-Jan 1 0 0.0% 0th
2013 Jan-Mar 92 2 2.2% 80th
2013 Apr-Jun 76 3 3.9% 77th
2013 Jul-Sep 43 0 0.0% 0th
2013 Oct-Dec 80 6 7.5% 90th
2014 Jan-Mar 93 6 6.5% 93rd
2014 Apr-Jun 123 0 0.0% 0th
2014 Jul-Sep 54 1 1.9% 66th
2014 Nov-Dec 96 0 0.0% 0th
2015 Jan-Mar 135 2 1.5% 74th
2015 Apr-Jun 85 0 0.0% 0th
2015 Jul-Sep 52 4 7.7% 86th
2015 Oct-Dec 67 14 20.9% 94th
2016 Jan-Mar 38 3 7.9% 80th
2016 Apr-Jun 79 1 1.3% 47th
2016 Jul-Sep 34 0 0.0% 0th
2016 Nov-Dec 12 0 0.0% 0th
2017 Jan-Mar 101 4 4.0% 93rd
2017 Apr-Jun 54 0 0.0% 0th
2017 Jul-Sep 53 0 0.0% 0th
2017 Oct-Dec 117 9 7.7% 97th
2018 Jan-Mar 63 1 1.6% 62nd
2018 Apr-Jun 80 1 1.2% 54th
2018 Jul-Sep 75 5 6.7% 86th
2018 Oct-Dec 56 1 1.8% 71st
2019 Jan-Mar 54 7 13.0% 97th
2019 Apr-Jun 135 1 0.7% 44th
2019 Jul-Jul 26 1 3.8% 79th
Primary Sources
EleanorR
(2,374 posts)Doesn't seem like very little notice to me.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142342689
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Thanks
mucifer
(23,374 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)that youre resorting to a personal attack?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)On big news days even the best of threads sink fast. It comes with the territory. So much is posted that few people get the chance to see most of them.
Welcome to DU. Now go stand in line.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)posting on DU about it won't matter and the only thing I can do to change anything is to vote and support the Democratic party.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)wont change that either.
Peace06
(248 posts)This is trumps plan. To have so many horrible things going on that no one person can keep track. Please dont attack each other. He wants to divide us. Dont fall for it!
Our nerves are shot and our tolerance is low. DUs must stick together!!
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)of course people care, but there's so much going on at once that it's impossible to write and diary and comment on every important thing to the degree it probably deserves.
Generic Brad
(14,270 posts)Jon Stewart shamed him, so he asked the little traitorous junior senator from Kentucky to do his dirty work for him. This was not done without McConnell's direction.
Fullduplexxx
(7,818 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)so perhaps he feels better now.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Its an indication of lack of interest.
Fullduplexxx
(7,818 posts)Just because i dont feel like responding to your particular post doesnt mean im not interestedIt might be that im not interested in having a discussion about it with you . No offense ... i read the story and move on
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)At least there seems to be more interesting now..
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)get people to care about 9/11 responder.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)gotten 50 likes.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)Danmel
(4,892 posts)I live in NY and know people who died and people who are suffering from 9-11 related diseases, including pulmonary fibrosis, which is pretty freaking horrible.
I told the person who took my call that Paul's position was indefensible, especially because he is a physician and took an oath to "first do no harm," and that every day of delay does real harm to sick first responders and their loved ones.
I will say that the person who took my call was actually very polite. I can't imagine it made a difference but I felt that I had to do it.
On a personal note, my parents had friends who lost their son, Jeffrey on 9-11. My dad was a Holocaust survivor and his friends were as well. Their son Jeffrey had developmental disabilities. He worked in the mailroom at Cantor Fitzgerald and died in the terrorist attack.
They survived Auschwitz and lost their only child on 9 -11.
The first responders sacrificed their health on the pile, for people they couldn't save. To talk about offsets is just morally repugnant.
kacekwl
(6,994 posts)It will pass cause they/he knows the ass kicking he will suffer if it doesn't. Just a little headline time for little Rand.
spanone
(135,636 posts)Rand Paul had no problem with trump's 1.8 trillion dollar tax cut for the fucking rich
Buzz cook
(2,470 posts)And that ain't happening in the media. Trump swamps out other issues every day and that's what happened here.
I might add that Rand Paul is a conservative that the media seems to like; so negative coverage is muted by claiims that Paul is independent or principled. Just as they pretended that Paul Ryan was a "serious" policy expert, they pretend that Rand Paul is a serious...whatever he is.
But in this case there is a "narrative" problem as well. Media rarely changes their narrative whether it is factual or not. Here the narrative is plucky first responders fight for their rights with the help of a TV personality against the forces of governmental inertia and the senate gives in. There you have it neat and tied with a bow. Rand Paul pulling the rug out conflicts with the happy ending of the narrative and so its better to sweep it under the rug.
One more thing. There are more than enough republican votes, that combined with the democrats, would sweep Rand paul's obstruction aside. We're still looking at a Mitch McConnell problem here.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)The Turtle and Ayn's namesake have no conscience and there is nothing anyone can to shame then to act human.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)My husband receives medical care funded by that program.
Trump grabbed his piece of the pie by applying for and receiving money earmarked to help small businesses impacted by 9/11.
And Guiliani? What rock is he hiding under?
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)ck4829
(34,977 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)Rand is predictable, although I'm sure he'd vigorously deny that. He throws his little tantrum, gets bad press, Mitch cuts him a deal and suddenly he changes his mind. Rinse and repeat. At least he's not reading Dr. Seuss.