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Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:46 PM Jul 2019

Does anyone here care about Rand Paul blocking funding for 9/11 first responders?

I ask because there were two threads on this yesterday and both got little notice. This is a real issue the affects the lives of real people. Yet most here seemed more interested in the usual partisan bickering.

As liberals/progressives/democrats we are supposed to care about helping people not just about scoring points against the other team.

This is an important bill that will save lives, why is there so little interest in it?

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Does anyone here care about Rand Paul blocking funding for 9/11 first responders? (Original Post) Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 OP
I do, I wish dems had the resources to highlight this in his state so people can see this early and uponit7771 Jul 2019 #1
That's a partisan response Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #7
I disagree, point out the problem and telling the truth isn't partisan. The problem is republicans uponit7771 Jul 2019 #15
Still partisan Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #19
So what, it needs to be ... point the problem out and let the people decide uponit7771 Jul 2019 #20
The turtle is playing the partisan BS, he has arthritisR_US Jul 2019 #74
I'm not Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #80
I am waiting to hear Jon Stewart go off on him. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #2
he did it on Fox News handmade34 Jul 2019 #3
Really, already? BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #6
Here: Jon Stewart Tees Off on Rand Paul for Blocking 9/11 Victim Bill hlthe2b Jul 2019 #16
You mean this? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #5
"wait for a celebrity weighs in" .99center Jul 2019 #30
Not a swipe at Stewart Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #39
I am speechless Tribalceltic Jul 2019 #4
His lawnmower neighbor awhile back should have knocked the shit out of him Submariner Jul 2019 #8
Didnt he put him in the hospital? Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #12
Well, you know, I have so much influence over Rand Paul and all... RockRaven Jul 2019 #9
Versus pointless repetitive replies about Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #13
I disagree with your claim that people's posting correlates to what they care about. RockRaven Jul 2019 #22
No it's reality Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #33
Something being so because YOU declare it so is not how reality works. RockRaven Jul 2019 #47
A world in which one can absolutely Codeine Jul 2019 #50
It's an observation Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #55
No, it's not an observation. That is the whole point. You are assuming you know other people's RockRaven Jul 2019 #60
You do seem very defensive Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #63
See above RockRaven Jul 2019 #64
I did Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #65
Jon Stewart bdamomma Jul 2019 #10
Yeah, I saw it. Rand is a ballsack. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #11
We can't do anything about Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #17
there are many topics people "so few seem to care about". maxsolomon Jul 2019 #25
Because this particular one Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #41
Of course we are upset. Here are the three threads in addition to yours currently: hlthe2b Jul 2019 #14
We all agree it's bullshit Codeine Jul 2019 #18
There is little to discuss Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #21
"Little to discuss"? Madness! There's plenty to discuss Codeine Jul 2019 #23
Not a logical failure Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #34
You're ridiculous. Codeine Jul 2019 #38
Why the personal attack? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #42
That was by no means a personal attack. Codeine Jul 2019 #45
Yes it was Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #53
You know that term sealioning? lunatica Jul 2019 #59
Yep ChubbyStar Jul 2019 #68
If he sealions any harder Codeine Jul 2019 #81
Keep playing the role of the lone voice in the wilderness RockRaven Jul 2019 #24
No need for a personal attack Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #37
You are imputing lack of care, concern, compassion and morals to 99.99+% of DUers RockRaven Jul 2019 #44
No I was wondering Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #52
I'm really enjoying the rampant misuse of the word "defensive" in this thread. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #71
It is a buzz word often employed by people trying to pick a fight ChubbyStar Jul 2019 #76
yeah really. what needs to be said other than "fuck Rand Paul"? Takket Jul 2019 #26
r paul blocks everything so he can reap stuff for himself Miigwech Jul 2019 #27
54 recs, 66 replies EleanorR Jul 2019 #28
That's great to see Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #35
No only you care. The rest of us have no souls... Of course we care nt mucifer Jul 2019 #29
Why so defensive Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #36
I responded to one of those threads lunatica Jul 2019 #31
I care very much about the issue .. CatMor Jul 2019 #32
Posting about impeachment Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #43
Paul Rand Peace06 Jul 2019 #40
look folks can't write about everything qazplm135 Jul 2019 #46
He's doing McConnell's dirty work Generic Brad Jul 2019 #48
People not responding to your post is not an indication of interest Fullduplexxx Jul 2019 #49
His antics on this post have gotten him the attention he craves Codeine Jul 2019 #51
+10000 Celerity Jul 2019 #75
You're right Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #57
Are you in a postion to change it ? Fullduplexxx Jul 2019 #67
Trying to change it Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #72
How many times are you gonna bait the hook? ChubbyStar Jul 2019 #70
As many as it takes to Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #73
Well that's a pretty absurd question. SlogginThroughIt Jul 2019 #54
I tweeted about it and no one cared but if I tweeted about the latest baseball score it would have yaesu Jul 2019 #56
He was the anointed one to take the political hit. LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #58
I called his office today to express my outrage Danmel Jul 2019 #61
It's all show for Paul. kacekwl Jul 2019 #62
I find it appalling. What happens next? spanone Jul 2019 #66
People do care. The problem is exposure. Buzz cook Jul 2019 #69
Elections have consequences. alphafemale Jul 2019 #77
I was going to post, but at this point it's disheartening. lapucelle Jul 2019 #78
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #79
K&R ck4829 Jul 2019 #82
Everyone cares, but since we're in the minority in the Senate it doesn't matter that we do. Vinca Jul 2019 #83

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
1. I do, I wish dems had the resources to highlight this in his state so people can see this early and
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:47 PM
Jul 2019

... not just during an election.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
15. I disagree, point out the problem and telling the truth isn't partisan. The problem is republicans
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jul 2019

... on this issue

arthritisR_US

(7,269 posts)
74. The turtle is playing the partisan BS, he has
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:11 AM
Jul 2019

the numbers to block it and is playing a partisan game by not bringing it up for a vote. He doesn’t want the various constituant backlash. Don’t paste the partisan BS on the Democrats, that’s dishonest and BS.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
2. I am waiting to hear Jon Stewart go off on him.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:51 PM
Jul 2019

That could help.

What is up with the Kentucky (no offense to DUers there)? Is there something in the water?

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
6. Really, already?
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:56 PM
Jul 2019

Good for him. Which show was he on? Shep Smith? I couldn't imagine him on Hannity or one of the other known racist/rapist lovers on Fux.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
30. "wait for a celebrity weighs in"
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jul 2019

How long have you been following this issue?

Odd that you'd take a swipe at someone that's been instrumental in pressuring Republicans to do the right thing for nearly a decade.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
39. Not a swipe at Stewart
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jul 2019

But people shouldn’t need to wait for a celebrity to care about an important issue.

Submariner

(12,485 posts)
8. His lawnmower neighbor awhile back should have knocked the shit out of him
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

instead of just freaking him out.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
12. Didnt he put him in the hospital?
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jul 2019

Is my memory lying to me? I think he broke six of his ribs. Definitely counts as beating the crap outta him...

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
9. Well, you know, I have so much influence over Rand Paul and all...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

My commenting upon it on a Democratic web forum is definitely going to move that needle.

Do you really think that out-of-state Democrats have any influence over Rand Paul?


What do you want to have said which was not already said by someone in the two threads you mentioned? Or do you want people to post pointlessly repetitive replies as some sort of virtue signaling?

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
13. Versus pointless repetitive replies about
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jul 2019

impeachment?

People post and respond about what they care about. Too bad so few care about this.

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
22. I disagree with your claim that people's posting correlates to what they care about.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:16 PM
Jul 2019

People's reasons for posting, or not, are complex, variable, and multilayered.

For example, people might be more likely to post if the topic is controversial (9/11 responder funding is not; nor is the fact that Rand Paul is a knob). Or if they have something new/different to add to a thread which has not yet been said. Or if they have something funny/interesting to say.

The notion that people don't care about 9/11 first responder funding because they don't post about it is facile.

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
47. Something being so because YOU declare it so is not how reality works.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jul 2019

You have declared that people work one way, only one way, and -- and this is critical -- YOU know precisely what it is.

I have said that people work in varied and variable ways.

If you persist in insisting you magically have certain, perfect knowledge about why people do what they do, then I cannot help you understand why people are not behaving in a way which is pleasing to you.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
50. A world in which one can absolutely
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:50 PM
Jul 2019

and completely define the motives and reasoning of all those around must be a very comforting world; the Right lives in such a world, and evidently some on the Left have chosen that state as well, sad to say.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
55. It's an observation
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jul 2019

of the way things work in this forum. Why are you so defensive? Did I hit a nerve?

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
60. No, it's not an observation. That is the whole point. You are assuming you know other people's
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jul 2019

internal workings. You do not. Not only do you not know it, you *cannot* observe it.

As for defensiveness, I have none on this issue. If I were to, it would be utterly without good reason -- as has amply been explained elsewhere in this thread, there is no reason for *anyone* to be defensive, because the complaint you level in the OP is nonsensical.

I do, however, have limited tolerance for the muddled logic you displayed in the OP and have continued throughout this thread.

bdamomma

(63,658 posts)
10. Jon Stewart
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:59 PM
Jul 2019

has been calling them out or Rand Paul. There are those who just don't care about those who put their lives on the line, but I heard on the news just now they are voting next Tuesday and voting this in for more money.

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
11. Yeah, I saw it. Rand is a ballsack.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jul 2019

What do you want us to do about it? I could assault him on this property and break multiple ribs; he wouldn't stop being a ballsack. A ballsack with a perm.

He's grandstanding to make it look like he gives a flying fuck about the debt and deficit, but he voted for the Trump Tax Scam. He'll back down soon enough.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
17. We can't do anything about
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jul 2019

impeachment either but that doesn’t stop people from commenting on it.

People post about the issues they care about. It is a shame so few seem to care about this.

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
25. there are many topics people "so few seem to care about".
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:22 PM
Jul 2019

what is the point of scolding people for not caring adequately on this particular one?

rand "ballsack with a perm" paul's already said he's NOT blocking it:

"Though Paul, from Kentucky, opposed New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand‘s motion to send the legislation to President Donald Trump‘s desk via unanimous consent, he said later on Twitter he did not object to the bill itself. Rather, he wanted to ensure there was at least debate on how it should be funded."




hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
14. Of course we are upset. Here are the three threads in addition to yours currently:
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jul 2019

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016234162
9/11 first responder who testified with Jon Stewart enters hospice

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212289136
Rand Paul stops unanimous passage of 9/11 first responders funding bill

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212288271
Rand Paul blocks Senate from approving 9/11 victim compensation fund
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. We all agree it's bullshit
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:06 PM
Jul 2019

so ultimately there’s very little to discuss. How much of an echo chamber must DU be to satisfy your “caring” criteria?

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
21. There is little to discuss
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jul 2019

on impeachment at this point. But that doesn’t stop anyone.

People post about what they care about. Too bad so few care about this.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. "Little to discuss"? Madness! There's plenty to discuss
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jul 2019

because we have much disagreement about impeachment here at DU. There are multiple points of view regarding if we should proceed, when we should proceed, how we should proceed, and what the end result will be. We disagree about the risks, the costs, and the outcomes. We disagree about leadership roles, about “must” vs “should” vs “can”.

Contentious subject matter engenders contentious discussion and argument. No such disagreement exists on the subject of first responder support, and therefore little has been said.

That you characterize this universal agreement as “not caring” is merely a logical failure on your part.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
38. You're ridiculous.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jul 2019

I can’t logic you out of a position you didn’t logic yourself into. Be well.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
45. That was by no means a personal attack.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jul 2019

Your persistent inability to understand what has been explained to you in excruciating detail by multiple posters is utterly ridiculous. Are you genuinely not understanding that?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
59. You know that term sealioning?
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:43 PM
Jul 2019
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

The term passive aggression applies too. Pretending to be reasonably debating when in reality attacking those he disagrees with pseudo reasonableness. That’s what this thread was created for.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
68. Yep
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:14 AM
Jul 2019

The ***** feigns ignorance and politeness, so that if the target is provoked into making an angry response, the ***** can then act as the aggrieved party.

Very tedious. The people that do this are boring and predictable.

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
24. Keep playing the role of the lone voice in the wilderness
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jul 2019

and you might actually succeed in convincing yourself you are the brave hero DU needs.

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
44. You are imputing lack of care, concern, compassion and morals to 99.99+% of DUers
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jul 2019

who did not post in the threads you deem necessary to post in. You can settle down with complaints about words being put in one's mouth, or mind.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
52. No I was wondering
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:20 PM
Jul 2019

about the lack of interest about a very important issue. Don’t be so defensive about it.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
76. It is a buzz word often employed by people trying to pick a fight
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:10 AM
Jul 2019

Not that anyone here is doing that, of course not.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
27. r paul blocks everything so he can reap stuff for himself
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jul 2019

check out his record of BS

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

Missed Votes

From Jan 2011 to Jul 2019, Paul missed 93 of 2,459 roll call votes, which is 3.8%. This is much worse than the median of 1.5% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.
Line chart with 36 data points.
The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories. Range: 36 categories.
The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.
Chart graphic.
25th PercentileMedian75th Percentile90th PercentileMissed Votes (%)
Missed Votes (%)2011 Jan-Mar2011 Apr-Jun2011 Jul-Sep2011 Oct-Dec2012 Jan-Mar2012 Apr-Jun2012 Jul-Sep2012 Nov-Dec2013 Jan-Jan2013 Jan-Mar2013 Apr-Jun2013 Jul-Sep2013 Oct-Dec2014 Jan-Mar2014 Apr-Jun2014 Jul-Sep2014 Nov-Dec2015 Jan-Mar2015 Apr-Jun2015 Jul-Sep2015 Oct-Dec2016 Jan-Mar2016 Apr-Jun2016 Jul-Sep2016 Nov-Dec2017 Jan-Mar2017 Apr-Jun2017 Jul-Sep2017 Oct-Dec2018 Jan-Mar2018 Apr-Jun2018 Jul-Sep2018 Oct-Dec2019 Jan-Mar2019 Apr-Jun2019 Jul-Jul0102030

Time Period Votes Eligible Missed Votes Percent Percentile
2011 Jan-Mar 46 4 8.7% 89th
2011 Apr-Jun 58 1 1.7% 29th
2011 Jul-Sep 49 5 10.2% 87th
2011 Oct-Dec 82 7 8.5% 96th
2012 Jan-Mar 63 1 1.6% 67th
2012 Apr-Jun 109 1 0.9% 47th
2012 Jul-Sep 28 1 3.6% 60th
2012 Nov-Dec 50 1 2.0% 59th
2013 Jan-Jan 1 0 0.0% 0th
2013 Jan-Mar 92 2 2.2% 80th
2013 Apr-Jun 76 3 3.9% 77th
2013 Jul-Sep 43 0 0.0% 0th
2013 Oct-Dec 80 6 7.5% 90th
2014 Jan-Mar 93 6 6.5% 93rd
2014 Apr-Jun 123 0 0.0% 0th
2014 Jul-Sep 54 1 1.9% 66th
2014 Nov-Dec 96 0 0.0% 0th
2015 Jan-Mar 135 2 1.5% 74th
2015 Apr-Jun 85 0 0.0% 0th
2015 Jul-Sep 52 4 7.7% 86th
2015 Oct-Dec 67 14 20.9% 94th
2016 Jan-Mar 38 3 7.9% 80th
2016 Apr-Jun 79 1 1.3% 47th
2016 Jul-Sep 34 0 0.0% 0th
2016 Nov-Dec 12 0 0.0% 0th
2017 Jan-Mar 101 4 4.0% 93rd
2017 Apr-Jun 54 0 0.0% 0th
2017 Jul-Sep 53 0 0.0% 0th
2017 Oct-Dec 117 9 7.7% 97th
2018 Jan-Mar 63 1 1.6% 62nd
2018 Apr-Jun 80 1 1.2% 54th
2018 Jul-Sep 75 5 6.7% 86th
2018 Oct-Dec 56 1 1.8% 71st
2019 Jan-Mar 54 7 13.0% 97th
2019 Apr-Jun 135 1 0.7% 44th
2019 Jul-Jul 26 1 3.8% 79th
Primary Sources

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
31. I responded to one of those threads
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jul 2019

On big news days even the best of threads sink fast. It comes with the territory. So much is posted that few people get the chance to see most of them.

Welcome to DU. Now go stand in line.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
32. I care very much about the issue ..
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jul 2019

posting on DU about it won't matter and the only thing I can do to change anything is to vote and support the Democratic party.

Peace06

(248 posts)
40. Paul Rand
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jul 2019

This is trumps plan. To have so many horrible things going on that no one person can keep track. Please dont attack each other. He wants to divide us. Dont fall for it!
Our nerves are shot and our tolerance is low. DUs must stick together!!

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
46. look folks can't write about everything
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jul 2019

of course people care, but there's so much going on at once that it's impossible to write and diary and comment on every important thing to the degree it probably deserves.

Generic Brad

(14,270 posts)
48. He's doing McConnell's dirty work
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:36 PM
Jul 2019

Jon Stewart shamed him, so he asked the little traitorous junior senator from Kentucky to do his dirty work for him. This was not done without McConnell's direction.

Fullduplexxx

(7,818 posts)
67. Are you in a postion to change it ?
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jul 2019

Just because i dont feel like responding to your particular post doesnt mean im not interestedIt might be that im not interested in having a discussion about it with you . No offense ... i read the story and move on

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
56. I tweeted about it and no one cared but if I tweeted about the latest baseball score it would have
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:24 PM
Jul 2019

gotten 50 likes.

Danmel

(4,892 posts)
61. I called his office today to express my outrage
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jul 2019

I live in NY and know people who died and people who are suffering from 9-11 related diseases, including pulmonary fibrosis, which is pretty freaking horrible.
I told the person who took my call that Paul's position was indefensible, especially because he is a physician and took an oath to "first do no harm," and that every day of delay does real harm to sick first responders and their loved ones.
I will say that the person who took my call was actually very polite. I can't imagine it made a difference but I felt that I had to do it.

On a personal note, my parents had friends who lost their son, Jeffrey on 9-11. My dad was a Holocaust survivor and his friends were as well. Their son Jeffrey had developmental disabilities. He worked in the mailroom at Cantor Fitzgerald and died in the terrorist attack.
They survived Auschwitz and lost their only child on 9 -11.
The first responders sacrificed their health on the pile, for people they couldn't save. To talk about offsets is just morally repugnant.

kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
62. It's all show for Paul.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:50 PM
Jul 2019

It will pass cause they/he knows the ass kicking he will suffer if it doesn't. Just a little headline time for little Rand.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
66. I find it appalling. What happens next?
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 10:09 PM
Jul 2019

Rand Paul had no problem with trump's 1.8 trillion dollar tax cut for the fucking rich

Buzz cook

(2,470 posts)
69. People do care. The problem is exposure.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:19 AM
Jul 2019

And that ain't happening in the media. Trump swamps out other issues every day and that's what happened here.

I might add that Rand Paul is a conservative that the media seems to like; so negative coverage is muted by claiims that Paul is independent or principled. Just as they pretended that Paul Ryan was a "serious" policy expert, they pretend that Rand Paul is a serious...whatever he is.

But in this case there is a "narrative" problem as well. Media rarely changes their narrative whether it is factual or not. Here the narrative is plucky first responders fight for their rights with the help of a TV personality against the forces of governmental inertia and the senate gives in. There you have it neat and tied with a bow. Rand Paul pulling the rug out conflicts with the happy ending of the narrative and so its better to sweep it under the rug.

One more thing. There are more than enough republican votes, that combined with the democrats, would sweep Rand paul's obstruction aside. We're still looking at a Mitch McConnell problem here.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
77. Elections have consequences.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:22 AM
Jul 2019

The Turtle and Ayn's namesake have no conscience and there is nothing anyone can to shame then to act human.

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
78. I was going to post, but at this point it's disheartening.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:15 AM
Jul 2019

My husband receives medical care funded by that program.

Trump grabbed his piece of the pie by applying for and receiving money earmarked to help small businesses impacted by 9/11.

And Guiliani? What rock is he hiding under?



Vinca

(50,170 posts)
83. Everyone cares, but since we're in the minority in the Senate it doesn't matter that we do.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 07:19 AM
Jul 2019

Rand is predictable, although I'm sure he'd vigorously deny that. He throws his little tantrum, gets bad press, Mitch cuts him a deal and suddenly he changes his mind. Rinse and repeat. At least he's not reading Dr. Seuss.

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