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richsonpoordad

(83 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:50 PM Jul 2019

Why is Trump allowed to keep referring to "hatred of Israel" when talking about the four

Representatives in the House. If one criticizes Israel why does it translate into hatred of Israel?
Will someone please ask Trump to quote what anyone of them has said? Didn't we say many of the same things about South Africa and its apartheid?

What else will they just allow Trump to say without offering any proof?

I hope soon someone will fact check all the info about the debt and deficit for the past 30 years and show when and under whose administration they exploded.

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Why is Trump allowed to keep referring to "hatred of Israel" when talking about the four (Original Post) richsonpoordad Jul 2019 OP
For a long time, forever?, any questioning of Israel has translated by many into 'hatred,' elleng Jul 2019 #1
I was told the other day that I didn't even have the right to ask why that is... hlthe2b Jul 2019 #2
The RIGHT? Person questioning obviously not aware of elleng Jul 2019 #5
They tried to turn it onto the "mansplaining" example and feminist issues to which hlthe2b Jul 2019 #6
I generally stay away from it, as I have no fondness for that country. elleng Jul 2019 #7
I think my point is that this "feeling" among some complicates our attempts to push back on hlthe2b Jul 2019 #8
MSM is in total fear of Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #3
So Trump defends Israel reneging on Middle East Peace.... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2019 #4
How does all this square with Charlottesville supporters of Trump? Did he call them out for their richsonpoordad Jul 2019 #9
NOPE!!! ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2019 #10
Thats his method.. Demovictory9 Jul 2019 #11
Every time he says someone hates Israel he never says what they actually said or did. ooky Jul 2019 #12
i wish someone would make him point to what they actually said. mopinko Jul 2019 #13
"Allowed"? lunatica Jul 2019 #14
I don't like this attitude of treating Israel as some "sacred cow" Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #15
Because the RW needs Israel for their End Times crap nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #16
It's funny how so many of his cult members "love" Israel (even thought most of them smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #17
Trump has made worse allegations Poiuyt Jul 2019 #18
He is trying to win over the Jewish American vote. Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #19
And why is it that Trump, or anyone else, has the right to expect members of Congress Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #20

elleng

(130,865 posts)
1. For a long time, forever?, any questioning of Israel has translated by many into 'hatred,'
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jul 2019

ANOTHER way to divide us.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
2. I was told the other day that I didn't even have the right to ask why that is...
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019


Really really really tired of these "untouchable" issues.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
5. The RIGHT? Person questioning obviously not aware of
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jul 2019

the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
6. They tried to turn it onto the "mansplaining" example and feminist issues to which
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jul 2019

I promptly replied I had no problem with a feminist-issue-friendly man or men discussing feminist issues any more than I would have an issue with someone from out-of-state discussing Colorado politics.

Apparently, this is the one area "non-members" can not tread (at least in that person's view and I have gotten that from others here before). As I am deeply sensitive to the issues and have no desire to offend, I let it go.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
8. I think my point is that this "feeling" among some complicates our attempts to push back on
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jul 2019

RW attempts to paint Liberals as "hating Israel" and related.

It just seems to me we ought to be able to draw a very clear and clean line between antisemitism and criticism of Israel governmental policies and action as we would our own government. But apparently that reflects my own naivete'.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,783 posts)
4. So Trump defends Israel reneging on Middle East Peace....
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jul 2019

by grabbing Palestinian territories in the Golan Heights and the West Bank in order to build more settlements? As well as continued personal attacks against Arabs living in Israel?

It has been the policies of the Israeli Government that the 4 have questioned, especially by Omar, not attacking the people themselves.

 

richsonpoordad

(83 posts)
9. How does all this square with Charlottesville supporters of Trump? Did he call them out for their
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:21 PM
Jul 2019

very obvious anti-Semitism ?

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,783 posts)
10. NOPE!!!
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

"Jews will not replace us!"

Trump was okay with that because those shouting that were HIS PEOPLE. The 4 Congresswomen are not.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
12. Every time he says someone hates Israel he never says what they actually said or did.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jul 2019

They just "hate Israel".

Ask an evangelical some time what the hell he's referring to and the evangelical won't even know.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
13. i wish someone would make him point to what they actually said.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jul 2019

aside from the "benjamins" comment and the 9/11 business, i havent got the slightest idea what he is talking about
usually there is some tangent one can follow, to see how insidiously he has twisted someone's word.
now he is just pulling shit out of his ass.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
15. I don't like this attitude of treating Israel as some "sacred cow"
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:34 PM
Jul 2019

whose governmental policies are not allowed to be questioned lest one be accused of hatred of Israel and anti-semitism. As long as you're not directly attacking the people of Israel and/or their faith, it's just another country, like ours, whose policies we may or may not agree with.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. It's funny how so many of his cult members "love" Israel (even thought most of them
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jul 2019

aren't sure why) but hate actual Jews (Charlottesville, anyone? That is just one of many examples).

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
18. Trump has made worse allegations
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jul 2019
Trump asserted that Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), a Somali-born refugee who fled civil war when she was 12, “says horrible things about Israel, hates Israel, hates Jews.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/16/trump-omar-racism-accusation-anti-semitism/?utm_term=.07993775c8a8


I don't know how he gets away with it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
19. He is trying to win over the Jewish American vote.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jul 2019

It's a valid concern. I have a latina friend who works for the VA and she says she has to put up with a lot of abuse from conservative veterans, including Jewish veterans.

We shouldn't be taking anything or anybody for granted.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
20. And why is it that Trump, or anyone else, has the right to expect members of Congress
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jul 2019

To display fealty to any foreign country? Why should they have any kind of allegiance to Israel, or any other country besides the United States?

Isn't this the question that got Ilhan Omar into so much hot water for asking a few months ago? I think she had a valid point.

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