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EveHammond13 Jul 22 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 22 #1
Qutzupalotl Jul 22 #2
roamer65 Jul 22 #3
democratisphere Jul 22 #7
susanna Jul 22 #10
Chemisse Jul 22 #15
susanna Jul 23 #23
vlyons Jul 22 #4
greyl Jul 23 #27
larwdem Jul 22 #5
roamer65 Jul 22 #6
democratisphere Jul 22 #8
roamer65 Jul 23 #30
pnwmom Jul 22 #9
eShirl Jul 22 #11
Mariana Jul 22 #16
Vinca Jul 22 #12
no_hypocrisy Jul 22 #14
susanna Jul 23 #24
ChubbyStar Jul 23 #29
anarch Jul 22 #13
3Hotdogs Jul 22 #17
WePurrsevere Jul 22 #18
susanna Jul 23 #25
ChubbyStar Jul 23 #32
susanna Jul 23 #33
ChubbyStar Jul 23 #38
susanna Jul 23 #42
WePurrsevere Jul 23 #37
susanna Jul 23 #43
bluestarone Jul 22 #19
scarytomcat Jul 22 #20
Maeve Jul 22 #21
ooky Jul 22 #22
Ponietz Jul 23 #26
Kaleva Jul 23 #35
Ponietz Jul 23 #39
Kaleva Jul 23 #40
Ponietz Jul 23 #41
Hugin Jul 23 #28
roamer65 Jul 23 #31
Kaleva Jul 23 #34
Buns_of_Fire Jul 23 #36
triron Jul 23 #44

Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:57 AM

1. If there were such a thing he'd be a good candidate.

It's said that the reign of the Antichrist will last 3-1/2 years, and then Jesus will come back. So Dolt 45 will be gone about a year from now?

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:58 AM

2. Trump is certainly antithetical to what Jesus taught

empathy vs. delight in others’ suffering
love for the stranger vs. tearing apart his family
humility vs. pride
compassion vs. antipathy
rectitude vs. lewdness
fair dealing vs. cheating
rendering unto Caesar vs. not

One could go on and on.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:00 AM

3. You will know the Antichrist when you see it.

Dump is not it.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:13 AM

7. Then drumpf has got to be his frontman.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:29 AM

10. Actually, that is not correct.

Just listen to a few thousand Southern Baptist sermons, trust me. I was forced to listen to this stuff as as a child, so I have some thoughts on this.

Scripture says that many will be fooled by the AntiChrist. This means humanity WON'T know it when it sees it - otherwise, they wouldn't be fooled, right?

Just putting that out there.

On edit: by using 'actually,' I think I just fundamentalistsplained something.

Wow. Never thought that would happen, but here we are

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Response to susanna (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 06:56 AM

15. +1 for the word: fundamentalistsplained

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:52 AM

23. Thank you...

I was inspired lol

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:10 AM

4. Antichrist is a myth

nt

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Response to vlyons (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:26 AM

27. So is "Trump". nt

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:15 AM

5. I think

your right. I hope all his supporters are taken to the sky !!!!

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Response to larwdem (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:16 AM

6. Dump supporters won't be going to "heaven".

They will be going to the other place with the rest of us.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:17 AM

8. You mean we will still have to put up with THEM after?

That will certainly be hell!

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:45 AM

30. Maybe we are in hell right now and just don't know it.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:21 AM

9. I cannot understand why his evangelical followers aren't more alarmed

by the fact that Kushner's building was 666 Fifth Avenue.

In the Bible, 666 is the Mark of the Beast. How come the literalists aren't more concerned about that?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:43 AM

11. They're not meant to be critical thinkers of what comes from their local pulpit.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 06:56 AM

16. Do you really expect consistency from people like that? nt.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:46 AM

12. I think the fundies have themselves convinced Don is the second coming.

They're all a bunch of loony tunes. Imagine - upset he swears, not upset he stuffs kids in cages and some of them die.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 06:50 AM

14. And isn't that a big factor for identifying "The Beast"?

That Christians will follow him like a false prophet, believing Jesus is coming?

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:58 AM

24. It absolutely is their own teaching.

Which is why I am looking at my fundamentalist Trump-supporting relatives these days like, "uh, so, about your worship of this guy...I heard a lot in Sunday School about this AC fellow, so stop me if you've heard this one before..."

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Response to susanna (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:41 AM

29. Indeed it appears Donny is their golden ORANGE calf

History repeats...

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 06:15 AM

13. he is most certainly and demonstrably anti-Christian

And I've said the same thing myself, tongue only partly in cheek...in some ways it's a self-fulfilling prophecy; there seems to be a contingent of so-called "Christians" who are excited to help bring about the End Times and all...


Anyway, at this point I just subscribe to the philosophy that Robert Anton Wilson encapsulated in this quote (probably paraphrased; I don't feel like looking it up): "I don't 'believe' anything; but I have a great many suspicions..."

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:13 AM

17. Shit. You were 'sposed to keep it a secret.

Edited to ask, How did you find out about it anyway?

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:13 AM

18. While Trump is anti-Christ & certainly fits quite a lot of the description...

in the Bible, he's not 'the' Antichrist, aka "the beast", according to the Bible.

One of the most notable differences is...
"The" Antichrist would charm and control ALL of the world per Rev 13:8, "And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation. And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast."

While I will admit that I'm very concerned that we, as humans in Earth, are in great and immediate danger of entering our 'end times', caused by climate change, ignorance, greed and fear, I'm also very sure that most of the world agrees with us here that Trump's dangerous con man and the majority of the world is about as far from worshipping Trump as Earth is from Icarus, the farthest individual star we've ever seen (so far).

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Response to WePurrsevere (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:05 AM

25. I thought about that too.

But what if by charm/worship it really means that countries flock to do his bidding, even knowing he is awful? Pander to him? Placate him? (I wonder about the original root of the words charm/worship this context. Unfortunately, I do not speak Aramaic or Greek.)

I only say this because a lot of world leaders (really, most) are still granting him power, and treating him with deference so as not to upset the normal world order.

Also, I think too much in the wee hours.

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Response to susanna (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:56 AM

32. Your thinking is GOOD but I think this

I come up with the word beguile, to be influenced by trickery, mislead, deluded. Not that I fully believe all world leaders can not see him at his fucking duplicitous worst, they see, they are just laughing and taking the US treasury into the shitter. They are not deferring, they are taking advantage of his many weaknesses, by allowing him to believe he has beguiled them. Fucking tragic.

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Response to ChubbyStar (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 03:49 AM

33. Yes, yes and yes.

When I said defer, I neglected to point out the subtext I see: that nations (allies/enemies) are obviously fleecing us for everything they can. He is too obviously clueless to understand he (and we, the US) are being played.

So yes, ChubbyStar - I think we are more on the same page than you think.

Thank you for more to think about.

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Response to susanna (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:05 AM

38. Smart and kind

Thanks susanna, I look forward to reading more of your posts.

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Response to ChubbyStar (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:56 PM

42. Same! n/t

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Response to susanna (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:40 AM

37. While some world leaders...

tolerate him out of need, diplomacy and/or as a useful tool and perhaps some out of respect for the office he currently holds, it seems to me that the definition of 'tolerate' and it's Latin root (bear, endure, put up with) is pretty far from that of 'worship' (adore, honor) language wise.

Hopefully some other DUer with MUCH better and specific ancient language skills can address this further. Mine is limited to 3 yrs of HS Latin and that was 4 1/2 decades and barely any speaking, reading of writing it since. (Although it's helped immensely with translating and definitions of some words especially medical and legal.)

As for thinking to much... I'm right there too. According to my husband, daughter, and pretty much anyone who knows me well, I'm the Queen of over thinking.

Actually I tend to think over THINKING is an extremely common trait of most Democrats compared to the vast majority of the current Republicans who are so intellectually lazy that they don't bother and just let their 'dear leaders' do the thinking for them.

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Response to WePurrsevere (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:57 PM

43. Good points!

...and plenty to think about, amirite?

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:06 AM

19. Christians want the end of the world so bad that

They latched onto Rump thinking that he IS the chosen one!

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:10 AM

20. did the use of the phrase "god damn" at his rally wake anybody up

I know a religious person that gives me a hard time if I take his lords name in vain or even say jeez

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:17 AM

21. As seen on Facebook--"After years of warning us about the AntiChrist....

..when he finally shows up, the fundamentalists elect him president!"

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:25 AM

22. Nope, don't believe it. The anti-christ described in the bible would not be so

visibly ignorant.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:14 AM

26. The Book of Revelation is a ratfuck

It was included in the NT for political reasons as the Roman Empire deteriorated. Luther questioned it and Calvin ignored it. I reject the pernicious screed.

“Pagels says the Book of Revelation's author, who calls himself John, was likely a refugee whose home in Jerusalem had been leveled by the Romans in response to a Jewish rebellion against the Roman Empire.

"I don't think we understand this book until we understand that it's wartime literature," she says. "It comes out of that war, and it comes out of people who have been destroyed by war."

[link:https://www.npr.org/2012/03/07/148125942/the-book-of-revelation-visions-prophecy-politics|

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:41 AM

35. There are other Books in the Bible where the AntiChrist is alluded to.

Daniel 7:8

Daniel 9:27

Daniel 7:20

Daniel 11:38

2 Thessalonians 2:8

2 Thessalonians 2:4

Daniel 11:38

Daniel 7:25

Daniel 11:36

2 Thessalonians. 2:4

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:14 AM

39. Please don't waste your time, with me, stretching words n/t

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:27 PM

40. The standard response from someone who can't defend their position.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:36 AM

28. I'm not a firefighter, but, I believe Trump is a dumpster fire.

So, yeah, why not?

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:46 AM

31. If the Antichrist shows up and persecutes these fake Christians, I'm onboard.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:37 AM

34. Trump doesn't fit the description of an AntiChrist

A military, foreign policy and economic genius Trump is not.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 05:46 AM

36. So they'll all be raptured pretty soon, yes?

I think one of my neighbors ruptured himself putting up his "tRUMP FOREVER" yard sign -- does that count?

(It would be such a shame to have the world end because of a misspelling.)

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:59 PM

44. Be careful. I had a similar post removed a few months ago.

Of course I was not being literal but that evidently escaped the moderators.

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