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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:29 AM Jul 2019

So, No Oscar for Mueller? By Connie Schultz

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So, No Oscar for Mueller?
By Connie Schultz
July 25, 2019 6 min read


Minutes after Robert Mueller III had completed his first round of Wednesday's congressional testimony, journalists and pundits started weighing in — on his acting abilities.

Mueller was "boring" and "phlegmatic."

His performance was "a disaster," "painful" and "deeply unsatisfying."

Some compared his testimony to the bombastic pathology of Donald Trump — and even the conversational theatrics of former FBI Director James Comey — and found him wanting.

Mueller had expressed not one partisan viewpoint. He refused to be political. He even stumbled at times, failing to remember every reference in the 448 pages of his published report.

In this time of crisis in our country, with the most dangerous president in the United States history, they wanted former special counsel Robert Mueller to be entertaining.

Look at what we've become.


Better yet, look at what Mueller did say during his seven hours of testimony.

Let's start with the Judiciary Committee, and Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler's questioning:

snip//

If any word of this strikes us as boring, we have our own question to answer: When did we give up on America?

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So, No Oscar for Mueller? By Connie Schultz (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2019 OP
Exactly. treestar Jul 2019 #1
Are we not entertained? Zoonart Jul 2019 #7
Mindblowing. "Gee, it wasn't a very good show." calimary Jul 2019 #39
The problem for a lot of people is that Mueller's responses come across as saying, "RTFM!"* tblue37 Jul 2019 #28
Yes. And Mueller Said Two Months Ago That He'd Do Just That The_Counsel Jul 2019 #34
Where does a citizens arrest come into play? DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #37
It Doesn't, Sadly...:-( The_Counsel Jul 2019 #41
Can't agree about the Democrats treestar Jul 2019 #54
Great article..... CatMor Jul 2019 #2
He did! pazzyanne Jul 2019 #16
Like someone just stated on MSNBC " Morning Joe" FarPoint Jul 2019 #3
Last night Brian Williams did an hour octoberlib Jul 2019 #4
Lately Brian Williams has spent his hour knocking down Zoonart Jul 2019 #5
Yes, me too Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #10
Brian's never recovered from that devastating helicopter crash in Iraq RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #11
... nolabear Jul 2019 #14
Great description of Williams PA Democrat Jul 2019 #31
Brian Williams is a Light Weight lefty2000 Jul 2019 #32
They are playing into the trump narrative UpInArms Jul 2019 #6
This all does bring the fall... dhill926 Jul 2019 #8
Probably word from the exec suites. Since the words were damning, create a diversion justhanginon Jul 2019 #9
Recommended. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #12
K & R pazzyanne Jul 2019 #13
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2019 #15
I guess we all remember Timmygoat Jul 2019 #17
I was told there would be bread and circuses ... sl8 Jul 2019 #18
Like Fine Wine Roy Rolling Jul 2019 #19
The truth is simple and uncomplicated. ananda Jul 2019 #20
The main threat to America is our educational system. redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #21
You are correct. My 22 year old college educated son is a Trumper. I told him last night his views Pepsidog Jul 2019 #30
Looking at you, Chuck Todd mcar Jul 2019 #22
He must go. Both-sider Todd is a disgrace. Pepsidog Jul 2019 #26
He is completely ineffectual mcar Jul 2019 #27
I can't believe Nicole Wallace is one of my favorites. Pepsidog Jul 2019 #33
I only listen on Sirius when I'm in the car mcar Jul 2019 #40
Me too Pepsidog Jul 2019 #44
Chuck Todd is a piece of shit JI7 Jul 2019 #23
He's certainly dropped a big piece of shit on journalism. calimary Jul 2019 #43
Agree 💯 percent--wish I could agree more. nt live love laugh Jul 2019 #57
Dan Abrams is another piece of shit. live love laugh Jul 2019 #58
Enthusiastic K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #24
Very true. Pepsidog Jul 2019 #25
Perfectly Stated-How Shallow So Many of Us Have Become dlk Jul 2019 #29
Director Mueller is not an entertainer. gademocrat7 Jul 2019 #35
It would have been nice had Mueller come off as giving a * about what's in his report Johonny Jul 2019 #36
It's the Reality TV presidency... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #38
The Oscar goes to Chairman Adam Schiff mnhtnbb Jul 2019 #42
+1 MFGsunny Jul 2019 #55
Connie nailed it malaise Jul 2019 #45
Mueller could have been more articulate and animated. After 2 years he owed us a better performance. Pepsidog Jul 2019 #46
Great op-Ed. Thank you for posting it. emulatorloo Jul 2019 #47
Trump is a corporate media creation. moondust Jul 2019 #48
M$M sure got excited about Barr's lies and Trump's lies, though Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #49
Reality sucks and is a harsh master, but it is what it is. elocs Jul 2019 #50
Someone needs to remind the mainstream news media that Congress is not a reality show tymorial Jul 2019 #51
The ratings go up when loud Progressive dog Jul 2019 #52
Thanks, b'sis; 'sharing.' elleng Jul 2019 #53
This narrative plays well with the Democratic Underground. warmfeet Jul 2019 #56
I wonder what life would be like if we were in the days of Walter Conkrite JonLP24 Jul 2019 #59
Expected. orangecrush Jul 2019 #60
Last evening's NPR analyst roundtable was appalling. "Democrat Party" was blamed CottonBear Jul 2019 #61
Better yet CDerekGo Jul 2019 #62
So the Trump Show draws bigger shares? We're fucking living in "Network." VOX Jul 2019 #63

tblue37

(65,334 posts)
28. The problem for a lot of people is that Mueller's responses come across as saying, "RTFM!"*
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jul 2019

* "Read the f***ing manual!"

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
34. Yes. And Mueller Said Two Months Ago That He'd Do Just That
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:58 AM
Jul 2019

What saddens me is it appears not a single elected official (Edited to Add: except Adam Schiff and--MAYBE Elijah Cummings) wants to impeach the president because he's a criminal. If anything they want to impeach because they don't like him and/or his policies--which is exactly the WRONG reason for doing it.

Donald J. Trump should resign TODAY because he is compromised. Even if he did that, he should be immediately taken into custody and tried for his crimes. Crimes for which any other U.S. citizen would be tried. The end.

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
41. It Doesn't, Sadly...:-(
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:13 AM
Jul 2019

Secret Service detail could probably put down a citizen's arrest attempt easily.

In a perfect world, #46 will NOT be of the GOP persuasion and will have the full power and might of the DoJ at his/her disposal. Hell, if it were me, I would arrange for him to be taken into custody on Marine One right after the Inauguration. But that's just if I were the new Commander in Chief....

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. Can't agree about the Democrats
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jul 2019

they would want to be sure they have good evidence. Like any prosecution, you don't just go ahead because the defendant is "a criminal." You need a specific charge and some degree of confidence that you have enough evidence for a conviction. When you can't pick the jury and know it is biased (Republican Senate) you need even more than enough for proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
2. Great article.....
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:36 AM
Jul 2019

the one I find boring is trump. I'm so tired of his same old shtick everyday I stopped watching news on TV. From what I have read of Mueller he did a fine job.

pazzyanne

(6,547 posts)
16. He did!
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jul 2019

He did, and his afternoon hearing with Adam Schift was great! The republicans in the morning hearing were grandstanding attack machines. If you can't dispute what is said, Kill the messenger! If I were a republican member of the committees I would not be able to look myself in a mirror. They were not interested in finding out what was in the Mueller report. They were only interested in attacking the biggest patriot in the room. It was disgraceful!

FarPoint

(12,336 posts)
3. Like someone just stated on MSNBC " Morning Joe"
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:41 AM
Jul 2019

We didn't ask for Robert De Niro to testify...it was Robert Muller to clarify the Muller Report...which he did well...

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
4. Last night Brian Williams did an hour
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:47 AM
Jul 2019

of Mueller and Democrat bashing. I feel like I watched a completely different hearing than Beltway reporters and pundits. Do they realize that most Americans haven’t read the entire report and that was the purpose of this hearing? I didn’t expect any new blockbusters but there were couple new things I learned. Like the FBI is still investigating Trump/Russia.

Zoonart

(11,849 posts)
5. Lately Brian Williams has spent his hour knocking down
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:00 AM
Jul 2019

the two housr set-up by Rachel and Lawrence. I turn it off.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
10. Yes, me too
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:09 AM
Jul 2019

I missed the beginning of the hearings and so I left Brian Williams on, even though I dislike him, to hear what had happened.

I was so angry with him. I never heard what Schiff had to say. I just heard how Mueller was not performing well and the optics were bad. You would think I was watching Fox.

This is a right wing talking point making the rounds of all the right wing media and even center left media. Know that it is straight up BS. Mueller was Mueller. A straight lace careful investigator NOT an overpaid news talker.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
11. Brian's never recovered from that devastating helicopter crash in Iraq
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:10 AM
Jul 2019

He was involved, you must remember, with the military's surveillance of terrorist strongholds, and stood on the skid of a Huey, pointing out to the crew where the terrorist's were, and shouting "God Bless America" as the ship he was in was struck by a stinger missile and crashed to the ground. How lucky that he survived to share with us his wisdom, born of his experiences and iron-clad integrity, regarding the political scene that prevails today in the country he so loves.

But, seriously, his pretended experience in Iraq apparently injured his brain, hurting his ability to interpret what he sees presented in front of him. So he uses the crutch of formulaic punditry.

May he be quietly but peacefully retired.

lefty2000

(177 posts)
32. Brian Williams is a Light Weight
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:49 AM
Jul 2019

He is prone to profound statements like "I have just been handed some great reporting!" I cringe every time they run that clip.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
6. They are playing into the trump narrative
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jul 2019

That a “performance rating” not a substance rating is what is important.

It is his code ... and they are his new Cohens.

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
9. Probably word from the exec suites. Since the words were damning, create a diversion
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:08 AM
Jul 2019

by talking about the "optics" and ignore the actual testimony. Then switch to the obscene clown show known as trump loudly proclaiming his innocence if possible. Journalists? Bullshit!
They did as told. That's exciting by their political pundit grade school standards.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
12. Recommended.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:14 AM
Jul 2019

Sad that there were people here on DU pushing the "disaster" description of the hearings.

If we learn NOTHING ELSE from dealing with the Minion of Moscow, it must be the importance of controlling the narrative.

2naSalit

(86,536 posts)
15. K&R
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jul 2019

I also see the "nobody has read the report" meme to be code indicating that everyone is bored with this major problem already.

That's not true and it seems to be used to cast the concept that nobody even reads anymore.

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
17. I guess we all remember
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:44 AM
Jul 2019

That Gorilla Barr issued Mueller with a long list of things he could not talk about before he would agree to let him testify, his hands were tied from the beginning.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
21. The main threat to America is our educational system.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jul 2019

I talked to more people yesterday who said "I quit watching because they were boring". I found them interesting and something every citizen should be curious about. Not how entertaining they were, but getting to the truth about the attack on our democracy by Russia, and about the high crimes and misdemeanors committed by the President of the United States. I wasn't there hoping someone lit themselves on fire for my entertainment.

The amount of people who do not understand our government and how it works, who don't understand the impeachment process and the checks and balances in government. Our very lives could be in danger and our citizens want to be entertained like our government is an episode of "The Bachelor" (yet another example of what is wrong with us right now).

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
30. You are correct. My 22 year old college educated son is a Trumper. I told him last night his views
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:40 AM
Jul 2019

don’t count in my house because he has no idea what is happening. Many young people today couldn’t answer basic civics questions. Young men see Trump as macho and want to emulate him because of his wealth and ability attract women. They have no clue how his policies, destruction of the regulatory system of our government, and how his federal court judicial appointments will effect their lives and their kids lives. But can I blame them? I was a Trump fan during the Apprentice years. I bought into his fiction of being a billionaire even though as a resident of NJ I saw him destroy Atlantic City with his gaudy, mismanaged casinos. It was only during the campaign that I realized that Trump was an ignorant fool who knows nothing. For young men Trumps appeal is understandable. When I was 19 years old I voted for Ronald Reagan and as a young man bought into the thought that the Dems were weak. After all Carter didn’t inspire confidence in our nation. As I grew older, went to college and law school, I realized that the Republican Party were nothing more than religious zealots who stood for nothing. As a lawyer I saw the Rs push Tort reform and bankruptcy reform two areas of law I specialize in. Bankruptcy reform under W was especially cruel, a big give away to the banks who wrote the law. Most people filing bankruptcy are hard working middle class people who suffered from either divorce, job loss or medical condition that wiped them out. 96% of my clients were ashamed to be filing bankruptcy and never thought they would. After Bankruptcy reform, the legal costs of bankruptcy increased and make filers jump through hoops before they can file. The biggest indignity is that before you can file a debtor must take a credit counseling course which informs people they can save money by turning off the lights and other idiotic suggestions. Funny how the banks who were bailed out and caused the Great Recession were never required to take such courses before lending huge some of money to people without verifying their income. Republicans have really fucked up this country. Sorry for rambling but it’s all so crazy.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
43. He's certainly dropped a big piece of shit on journalism.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:31 AM
Jul 2019

Mr. “I just bring one side on and let ‘em say their thing. Then I bring the other side on and let them say their thing. And voila! That’s all I need to bother with.”

Mr. “It’s not my job to ask questions or try to get to any truths.”

I despise Chuck Todd. If I were running MSNBC, he’d be one of the first staff changes I’d make. I’ve never been impressed with him.

live love laugh

(13,100 posts)
58. Dan Abrams is another piece of shit.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jul 2019

On The View today he tried to end by saying that “the Democrats” failed. Thankfully Whoopi didn’t let him get away with it—she quickly said no they did a GREAT job and went to commercial. Abrams’ expression after failing to get away with his bullshit was priceless as he looked at Whoopi and then down.

dlk

(11,552 posts)
29. Perfectly Stated-How Shallow So Many of Us Have Become
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jul 2019

Our country is being destroyed before our very eyes and some are complaining about not being entertained.

gademocrat7

(10,654 posts)
35. Director Mueller is not an entertainer.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:00 AM
Jul 2019

He testified before Congress that trump committed obstruction of justice numerous times. Instead of critiquing his delivery, pundits and viewers should be processing how dangerous this administration is and how Russia is still trying to destroy our democracy.

mnhtnbb

(31,382 posts)
42. The Oscar goes to Chairman Adam Schiff
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jul 2019

for this stellar performance in his opening statement at the House Intelligence Committee . When I first watched this clip on-line (didn't watch the hearing), I felt like I was seeing something written for The West Wing. This is a man who understands the importance of the Mueller report--for its substance--and the challenge this country faces in preserving the rule of law and the integrity of our system of government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=m9HiLh5gTng




Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
46. Mueller could have been more articulate and animated. After 2 years he owed us a better performance.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jul 2019

But the focus on 2020 must be do we the USA want Trump to be the face of what once was a great nation. Right now the USA is not the greatest nation in the world. I grew up believing that but Bush and Trump and the Republican Party since Newt Gingrich has proven we are not this shining city on a hill. We are slipping into a banana republic everyday that these traitors hold power. Right now we are closer to the Axis of Evil than anytime in our history. Just yesterday Trump administration proposed making it harder to get food stamps and today Barr wants you know to bring back the Federal Death penalty. Thank you Republicans, the Founding Fathers are turning in their graves.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
48. Trump is a corporate media creation.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jul 2019

They have to protect their boy if they want more tax cuts and deregulation and zombie viewers boosting their advertising revenues.

elocs

(22,567 posts)
50. Reality sucks and is a harsh master, but it is what it is.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jul 2019

This is the reality and the world we live in and it does no good to wish it away or pretend it was otherwise.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
51. Someone needs to remind the mainstream news media that Congress is not a reality show
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jul 2019

The priorities of far too many people in this country are completely screwed up

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
52. The ratings go up when loud
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jul 2019

and nasty people spit on right and wrong to win. We now have a conman holding the presidency and trying to turn it into a dictatorship. The mock patriots still control the Senate, SCOTUS is fast becoming a layer of the swamp scum that was helped to power by Putin and Fox News still exists and prospers.
The fact that the Mueller hearings are dominating the news was a win for democracy. Even idiots like the GOP congressmen spent most of their time attacking the origins of the investigation, not what the investigation found. Maybe you could get Trump off on that technicality (fruit of the poisoned tree), but that wouldn't make him any less an amoral psychopath who continues to obstruct justice.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
56. This narrative plays well with the Democratic Underground.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:48 PM
Jul 2019

For the swing voters, of which I am not one, we may want to pay attention to their concerns.

We want their votes. We want the orange asshole gone.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
59. I wonder what life would be like if we were in the days of Walter Conkrite
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:24 AM
Jul 2019

Or an era where you didn't know journalists political leanings. What is certainly missing is investigative journalism.

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
62. Better yet
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:54 AM
Jul 2019

When did America need to be 'entertained' for every waking second of daily life? It's almost as if every moment, of every day has to be a 'reality show' and what 'ratings' any network receives. This is exactly why I no longer have cable tv, and gave away my 55" LG flat screen last month. There literally is NOTHING to watch on television, except for someone else's opinion. No one goes on television and states facts any longer

VOX

(22,976 posts)
63. So the Trump Show draws bigger shares? We're fucking living in "Network."
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:05 AM
Jul 2019

Paddy Chayefsky’s script rings truer with every passing year. But instead of Howard Beale, we got Donald Trump.

Last word from Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius, “Are you not entertained?”

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