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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:22 PM Jul 2019

Many people here seem to think other people need to convince other people to support impeachment

That's the basis of much of the consternation about Mueller's testimony and other hearings - that they need to be presented a certain way so that OTHER people will understand Trump's criminality, rise up and demand his impeachment.

The people making these arguments certainly don't need to be convinced. They feel they already know everything they need to know about Trump, the Mueller Report, etc. But it's OTHER people who need to be educated and convinced. But that education and persuasion must be done by Pelosi or the House Democrats or Mueller. And when they think they aren't doing it right, they blame them.

Example - last month, when the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing featuring Joyce Vance, John Dean and Barbara McQuade, some people here complained up and down - why these witnesses? Who is John Dean, anyway? Why didn't cable air it live instead of the midtown Manhattan helicopter crash. There was handwringing all over this board. But the anger had nothing to do with people feeling like they weren't getting the information they needed - they felt they already had all the information they needed. They were upset because they were sure that if only the hearing had better witnesses and was shown live in the middle of the day, "other people" would watch them and be persuaded to change their minds about impeachment.

The same thing is happening regarding opening an impeachment inquiry. Some people here truly believe that if an inquiry is opened right now, not only will witnesses and documents suddenly flow forth freely, those witnesses and documents will so rivet the general public that they will lead a groundswell of support for impeachment.

And today, many of these same people are furious because they believe that Robert Mueller didn't do a good enough job explaining his report to "other people."

It all seems to be about what "other people" will think and do.

Which leads to the question - what are YOU doing to persuade those "other people"? First, have you actually read the Mueller Report? If you haven't, I suggest you stop reading this post and go read the report. It's long but it's well written and very digestible. If you just read 30 pages a day - which should take about as long as reading and writing numerous posts on DU - you can finish it in less than two weeks.

If you have already read it, are you talking to friends and family about it? What else are you doing to help "other people" understand it? even if you communicated with 5 people a week about the report, that would be huge.

But relying on other people to convince other people just isn't useful, in my opinion, especially if you think those other people are doing such a horrendous job of educating other people. If you think that other people need to be educated, you should do your part to get them educated.

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Many people here seem to think other people need to convince other people to support impeachment (Original Post) StarfishSaver Jul 2019 OP
Maybe it's just me, but after everything that guy and his spawn have done, if you're still not onecaliberal Jul 2019 #1
Well said, watoos Jul 2019 #2
What's the going rate nowadays per post? Fix The Stupid Jul 2019 #3

onecaliberal

(32,829 posts)
1. Maybe it's just me, but after everything that guy and his spawn have done, if you're still not
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jul 2019

convinced. There is no hope so at this point idgaf about what they think.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. Well said,
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:51 PM
Jul 2019

Put another way, answer this one question; Is Donald Trump a threat to our democracy? If the answer is yes, the House is obligated to impeach.

Impeachment isn't about polling people. Only 19% of Americans favored impeaching Nixon at the opening of the hearing. The American people elected Representatives to uphold the Constitution, the American people voted in 2018 to hold Donald Trump accountable, the verdict is already in, IMO.

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