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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:32 PM Jul 2019

Apophenia

“Epstein was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck, sources said and investigators are trying to piece together exactly what happened.”
NBC New York; 7-24-2019


With so much interest focused upon Robert Mueller's testimony this week, little attention has been paid to the case of Jeff Epstein. However, there was some high-quality reporting in the New York Times that attempted to identify where Epstein's income came from. However, what might be more important is a ppoint made by William Cohen of Vanity Fair on this topic.

Cohen recently questioned not the quality of the Times' reporting, but rather, if some of the information being released is actually an attempt to distract people from understanding the true history of Epstein's adult life. By coincidence, perhaps, I was recently talking to an old friend about this very topic.

In order to understand why Epstein got the earlier deal with the federal government, one needs to go back even before he was hired to teach at the private Dalton School. Most people are now aware that Attorney General Barr's father hired Epstein there, despite Jeff's not having a college degree or anything resembling teaching experience. But who was Barr's father?

Donald Barr was teaching English at Columbia when he was picked to work for the Office of Strategic Services in the WW2 era. The OSS was an earlier version of the CIA, set up similar to the English intelligence agency M16. The OSS tapped the services of many of the oil industry's private intelligence operations – it is important to understand that large corporations have always had their own intelligence groups – but also followed the British example of hiring people who had cover that did not hint at intelligence connections. University professors and journalists were among these groups.

I'm not able to determine if Donald Barr continued with government intelligence after the war, but there is reason to believe that he was connected to private groups. As such, he apparently was looking to identify potential assets, and this likely included Epstein. That seems far more likely than Barr's mistaking Epstein as a potential diamond in the rough for high school education.

Both Barr and Epstein left the Dalton School relatively soon after Jeff began his teaching career. But before leaving, Epstein had become acquainted with Alan Greenberg, as has been reported. And thus followed Epstein's career with Wall Street, although the exact nature of his “work” for various clients is ill-defined. One of those clients in particular is of interest.

In 1981, Epstein opened his own consulting company. In the years that followed, he traveled frequently to the Middle East. The recent raid on his New York City residence resulted in, among other things, a fake passport where, under a false name, Epstein identified as living in Saudi Arabia. I suppose any of us could easily get a fake passport to travel to the Middle East …..if we had the right connections.

Among his clients, in fact, was a Saudi businessman named Adnan Khashoggi. And Khashoggi, as many here will recall, was in charge of moving American weapons in Israel to Iran in the Iran-Contra scandal. This was when the Reagan administration decided to sidestep the law in an operation that is generally believed to have been run by vice president George H. W. Bush.

This wasn't the first time that segments of the executive office coordinated with unethical and disgusting people. In the late 1950s, for example, vice president Nixon was involved in the CIA's coordinating with organized crime in an effort to kill Castro. There was an unholy alliance in Boston between an FBI agent and sociopath Whitey Bulger. The list is long.

Those private interests that were funding Epstein knew he was a dangerous sex offender. He was able to appeal to the perverted appetites of business and government leaders around the globe. Those funding him knew that J. Edgar Hoover, while at the FBI, kept extensive records of hundreds of American's sexual habits. And used them to blackmail all sorts of people. And almost certainly shared some of their information with some in American intelligence.

A lot has been made of then-federal prosecutor Alex Acosta's mysterious dealings with Epstein's legal team, and failure to prosecute a sex offender preying on children. It's possible Acosta did it all on his own, but extremely unlikely. It is almost certain that he would not have made such a controversial decision without first consulting with the Attorney General.

At this time, the AG was Alberto Gonzales who is best remembered for his advocacy for warrantless surveillance and torture. It should not be forgotten that he also been in charge of the firing of some U.S. Attorneys who refused to indict and prosecute White House “enemies,” in the scandal that eventually led to his resignation.

It's unclear if Gonzales discussed the Epstein issue with George W. Bush. Although VP Cheney had been castrated by the Plame scandal by then, there is evidence that he was still the crucial player in terms of dealing in the moral gutter.

Some ugly interests with secrets to hide will continue to try to manipulate the public's perception of the Epstein case history. They will continue to point to Bill Clinton, despite the total lack of evidence that Clinton was ever aware of Epstein's sex offenses until his first arrest. But the truth is that this is a republican and corporate scandal.

This brings me to a final point: do not believe the story about how and why Trump ended his friendship with Epstein on face value. Trump could have been made aware of Epstein's recording powerful people's sexual habits for Wall Street interests. And that's closely related to why the reported Moscow tape so upset Trump.

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Apophenia (Original Post) H2O Man Jul 2019 OP
DURec leftstreet Jul 2019 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2019 #3
Very, Very Interesting Me. Jul 2019 #2
Right. H2O Man Jul 2019 #4
Such Magnificence! ChubbyStar Jul 2019 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2019 #18
K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #6
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2019 #19
There are an awful lot of dots, indeed. TygrBright Jul 2019 #7
There's enough dots to make dotted Swiss curtains for an entire house... Hekate Jul 2019 #11
Yep! H2O Man Jul 2019 #23
Lots of dots! H2O Man Jul 2019 #22
Epstein is (was) an asset. crazytown Jul 2019 #8
Yep. H2O Man Jul 2019 #25
This sir, is your burn notice. crazytown Jul 2019 #27
Ha!!!! H2O Man Jul 2019 #29
"The Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions" crazytown Jul 2019 #30
Very good! H2O Man Jul 2019 #36
Kick. MontanaMama Jul 2019 #9
Rotten to the core. H2O Man Jul 2019 #26
As always, an interesting and thought provoking read. I've been thinking Epstein's "generosity"... Hekate Jul 2019 #10
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2019 #28
I can't remember who I wanted in the primaries back then. Living in California as I do... Hekate Jul 2019 #40
Nice! H2O Man Jul 2019 #45
What a great post malaise Jul 2019 #12
Yes, they have. H2O Man Jul 2019 #37
I would argue that the Central American disaster started long before Reagan malaise Jul 2019 #47
Oh, absolutely! H2O Man Jul 2019 #48
Great perspective... Now I'm wondering if the Panama Papers kicked this all off? MartyTheGreek Jul 2019 #13
Valid points. H2O Man Jul 2019 #58
Yikes, karin_sj Jul 2019 #14
Perhaps H2O Man Jul 2019 #59
Trump is up to his neck in sex trafficking, it's all connected Skraxx Jul 2019 #15
+1, and he continues to kidnap peoples kids at the border to this day uponit7771 Jul 2019 #21
I keep wondering where the teenagers are. Efilroft Sul Jul 2019 #32
Specifically, where are the GIRLS? Hekate Jul 2019 #41
I don't have a good feeling about them, Hekate. Efilroft Sul Jul 2019 #44
I wonder if Nader was their trafficker for the boys.... Pachamama Jul 2019 #71
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Jul 2019 #46
That is the question. H2O Man Jul 2019 #61
I have thought about this for a very long time. I think Trump is just waiting until they reach katmondoo Jul 2019 #65
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2019 #60
Thanks for sharing. Reminds me of when Hotler Jul 2019 #16
Loved his posts malaise Jul 2019 #50
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2019 #62
Our so called "Intelligence" groups have a sad history of nasty practices. BSdetect Jul 2019 #17
Seriously. H2O Man Jul 2019 #63
K&R, "P"-Tape means Pedophile Tape uponit7771 Jul 2019 #20
Fascinating as always, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2019 #24
It is, of course, totelly irrelevant... malthaussen Jul 2019 #31
I think they WILL be written, we just won't be around to read them. Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2019 #49
... Catherine Vincent Jul 2019 #33
trump seems to advocate for so many horrible things in plain sight that it is easy to imagine Doitnow Jul 2019 #34
AG Barr must be more than a little nervous FM123 Jul 2019 #35
Now that Epstein s irrational power of attorney from the Victoria's secret guy is known, that's Karadeniz Jul 2019 #38
Kick, Rec, and Bookmarked! nt Ilsa Jul 2019 #39
K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #42
At first, I thought this was going to be a post on some sort of erotic asphyxiation thing. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #43
That's what I was thinking Kitchari Jul 2019 #51
Sweet! A new word OxQQme Jul 2019 #52
Conspiracy theorists are apopheniacs; Qanon suckers are tremendous examples. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2019 #54
I had to look it up too, and I'm still chewing over its implications... Hekate Jul 2019 #64
Aha! RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #69
ooh boy... stillcool Jul 2019 #53
Excellent read, thank you. mountain grammy Jul 2019 #55
K&R JonLP24 Jul 2019 #56
Great post! Lonestarblue Jul 2019 #57
I have read several books True Blue American Jul 2019 #70
"The Ghost Writer" TheRickles Jul 2019 #66
Another great analysis coeur_de_lion Jul 2019 #67
That was my favorite Who album. Harker Jul 2019 #68

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
5. Such Magnificence!
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 11:33 PM
Jul 2019

In awe as usual, what a brilliant teacher you are. "although the exact nature of his “work” for various clients is ill-defined. One of those clients in particular is of interest...Adnan Khashoggi. I did cut and paste, but those two sentences for me are PERFECT.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
18. Thank you!
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jul 2019

I'm sure Khashoggi thought to himself, "I need some financial advice from a totally unqualified chap from the USA." It must be. I can think of no other explanation.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
26. Rotten to the core.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:41 PM
Jul 2019

As Rubin used to say of their ilk, "there is absolutely no 'good' within them."

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
10. As always, an interesting and thought provoking read. I've been thinking Epstein's "generosity"...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:51 AM
Jul 2019

...and "hospitality" with so many men (e.g. free rides on his private jets) might have been a form of self-protection, in that even those who were not sexual predators would feel the taint once they found out what he was, and would be motivated to keep their mouths shut. And for those who enjoyed the full range of the entertainments he offered -- well, the higher they rose in society the more they would want to protect him and thereby themselves.

That sounds jumbled and simple minded. Your explanation makes more sense, in an utterly convoluted and utterly corrupt way.

Thanks for saying what you did about Bill Clinton. Certain entities will hound both Clintons to the grave and into the world beyond.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
28. Thank you!
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jul 2019

I want to add something to your observation about having him associate with people, including Bill Clinton. It wasn't only to protect himself in case he was caught. More importantly, in my opinion, was that he used that association to gain the trust of foreign individuals who thought, "Heck, if this guy hangs out with Clinton, he must be safe."

Now, back in the 1992 primary season, I did wish that Al Gore would be on top of the ticket, with Clinton as VP. I did a heck of a lot of campaigning for the ticket in the general election season. Still, while I respect President Clinton, he has never been my favorite. But I have seen nothing -- absolutely nothing! -- that implicates him in anything close to Epstein's criminal behaviors. And I cannot say the same about Trump.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
40. I can't remember who I wanted in the primaries back then. Living in California as I do...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jul 2019

...an awful lot of winnowing takes place before candidates get to us, so I no longer get too invested early on.

Bill ultimately charmed me, made me tsk-tsk over his bimbo eruptions (what a phrase), charmed me again, then disappointed the hell out of me for his lack of self-control. Seriously though, as far as I could tell all the women he went after were ready, willing, able, of legal age, and in at least one case, flashed her panties at him. So, consenting adults and all that. Certainly not worth an impeachment, and certainly Hillary's business what she chooses to do about it.

I got to shake his hand when he was POTUS. (I was active in local politics at the time, so was given VIP tickets close to the stage at an outdoor event -- he was at the rich end of town fundraising and came by the community college to give a speech.) I only mention this because for the first and only time in my life I got jolted with the electricity of charisma when I shook someone's hand. The event was so crowded that the crowd-surge lifted me off my feet and up against the chainlink fence, where he was working the line, so it was scarcely an intimate moment of personal introduction. He came back in my direction, so I stuck my hand out again -- yeah, still there.

I left that event thinking: Holy crap, no wonder women of a susceptible nature fall over backwards when they meet him personally. Take your hand, murmur how pleased to meet you, look deep in your eyes...

I felt sick in the pit of my stomach when DU's gossip-mill recently linked his name to Epstein's. Please, God, no. After all Hillary and Chelsea have been through, not this. And after all of those who still fondly think of him as the Big Dog have gone through... So anyway, thanks for your bit of solace, H2O Man.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
45. Nice!
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jul 2019

I worked at the county mental health clinic, a democratic island in a conservative county's ultra-conservative government. I was the advocate for Gore during our lunch-time discussions, while a large majority were pro-Clinton. After the convntion, we would meet after work, and go door-to-door .....mainly in the low-income neighborhoods where few were registered voters. Oh, we made a great team! And we got people excited to be participating in the system by voting! I loved that year.

On the night of the elections, we had a great party, too.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
12. What a great post
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 06:18 AM
Jul 2019

Here's what has troubled me for ages - do you think you can hire people for decades to subvert governments across the globe and not expect them to line up with similar interests at home to further their collective interests (financial and political and social -including abusing children).

Sadly, the chickens have come home to roost.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
37. Yes, they have.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jul 2019

That's an important point. Very, very important. (I'll add that the immigrants from Central America are opting to come here in large part because of the US policy there, especially in the Reagan-Bush years.) I keep that in mind. Yet I am horrified that a candidate, a campaign, and millions of jackasses are okay with the Russian operation. They are brain-dead.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
47. I would argue that the Central American disaster started long before Reagan
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jul 2019

The banana interests were facilitated by US governments at the expense of workers'rights, education, decent health care etc.

MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
13. Great perspective... Now I'm wondering if the Panama Papers kicked this all off?
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:21 AM
Jul 2019

"However, what might be more important is a ppoint made by William Cohen of Vanity Fair on this topic."

Great work! I'm sure "ppoint" was ether a pun or was that a Freudian typo? I agree, Trump got pretty weird about the alleged p tape especially when he said he could never have done that sort of thing because he was a germophobe but strangely most of the women groped and kissed by the Don said he slid his tongue right in their mouth. Most germophobes would not do that. Then he said something about his battle with VD, or prevention thereof that he was trying to avoid as a player back when he was dancing it up with Epstein that fighting VD was akin to going to war or Vietnam or something absurd along those lines.

What we're witnessing here is the failure of the news media producers still fighting the ghost of Roger Ailes, of Fox and once Trumps mentor instead of reporting that the DJT admin is corrupt and condoned foreign intervention during our 2016 election and POTUS is a fraud! Ailes who once worked for Nixon, died of a heart attack in 2017 around the time the workplace sex scandal wave passed thru media and government. Are there other connections? Is the web getting tighter?

Is is possible, that there's a group of White Hats doing the right thing to counter this global oligarch cabal and is it possible that the Panama Papers release of 2016 which revealed the off-shoring and sheltering of the oligarchs hidden tax havens and now it looks like some playgrounds for those that want to get into even riskier business but it comes with a hitch... It requires kompromat or other dirt to play their game. BTW, Clinton was all for prosecuting those ID'd in the Panama Papers while Pukin was steaming when his clan was revealed and all the reason more to alleviate his oligarchs and hit to his own stache. Hiding off-shore money was Epstein's business and association with corrupt oligarchs and governments was his target market.

One thing Ailes taught Trump is to provide a yes and no answer to any connection to scandal and he could then change position daily or even days apart which was'is direct manipulation of news media, while news executives are afraid to call a lie, a lie and the president is basically a lier and conman. The answer that favors Fox viewers, is played over and over and creates the very thing they call the opposite news, but is the glue holding the base together. I expect Trump will talk more about his Island visits in the coming days. Epstein could have faked an attack since he now realizes that he ain't getting out of the cage for a very long time so he's lookin for a similar sweetheart cage deal. However, the Boys in the slammer really don't like pedos and know his story so he's gonna need some protection especially if he wants to save his ass some years. But what about the contents of that safe, his black book, the pics, the 13 year old that said that Red Dawn did the nasty to her. BTW, she allegedly accuses Epstein of the same thing!

Thanks for the thoughtful read today! Thought provoking!

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
58. Valid points.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jul 2019

Thank you for a great response!

Malcolm X used to point out that in the jungle, there are those who hunt ....and also those who hunt the hunters. DC is, in my humble opinion, more of a jungle than a swamp, although like all jungles, there are some mighty swampy areas.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
59. Perhaps
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jul 2019

they are mere coincidence .....though I've never believed in coincidence.

I am hoping that William Cohen will follow the dots further. At this point, I think he may be the only journalist who is pursuing this, though several others are aware (or semi-aware) of the dynamics.

Skraxx

(2,970 posts)
15. Trump is up to his neck in sex trafficking, it's all connected
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jul 2019

My hope is that all this action against Epstein is part and parcel of coming at Trump from another angle.

Trump models was a an escort business/trafficking operation, that seems pretty clear to me at least. The cover was that it was a modelling agency, but there is not much evidence that they did much of that really, except rip off women who they recruited to be models who didn't work the "other end" if you know what I mean. But they made a half-hearted attempt to look a bit legit. That it was actually an escort business was an open secret in NYC. Now of course it makes total sense that it was ALSO a trafficking operation, using the model cover to get visas to bring the women in for trafficking. It doesn't take much of leap to believe they were trafficking in minors. Trump is up to his neck in sex trafficking and pedophilia, I'd bank on it.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
32. I keep wondering where the teenagers are.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:00 PM
Jul 2019

We've seen plenty of adults in cages. We've seen plenty of young children in cages. But where are the teens? I can't help but think of the sexual abuse they've faced and wonder if they're being trafficked.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
44. I don't have a good feeling about them, Hekate.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jul 2019

While pedos will traffick both genders, the girls will be in greater demand.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
61. That is the question.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:46 AM
Jul 2019

I hate to think of the answer. But when they can't account for who is where, or re-connect families, it certainly hints at the worst.

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
65. I have thought about this for a very long time. I think Trump is just waiting until they reach
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 01:49 PM
Jul 2019

the right age---then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hotler

(11,416 posts)
16. Thanks for sharing. Reminds me of when
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jul 2019

Octafish would drop juicy tidbits of for us to chew on and connect the dots. Stuff that makes you go hhmmmmm.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
63. Seriously.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 11:54 AM
Jul 2019

Their preoccupation over the decades with people's sex lives is unhealthy. It leads to dealing from time to time with an Epstein. Or having J. Edgar in charge of the FBI. And there have been too many other vile practices beyond that.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
31. It is, of course, totelly irrelevant...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jul 2019

... but there was an episode of NCIS in the second series ("An Eye for an Eye" ) that weirdly foreshadows this mess.

Some of the most interesting history books are never going to be written.

-- Mal

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
49. I think they WILL be written, we just won't be around to read them.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jul 2019

There are completed manuscripts/books sitting in publishers' vaults RIGHT NOW that will be published in 15-20-25 years in the future, that are too sensitive to be released right now.

Catherine Vincent

(34,488 posts)
33. ...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jul 2019
Some ugly interests with secrets to hide will continue to try to manipulate the public's perception of the Epstein case history. They will continue to point to Bill Clinton, despite the total lack of evidence that Clinton was ever aware of Epstein's sex offenses until his first arrest. But the truth is that this is a republican and corporate scandal.

This brings me to a final point: do not believe the story about how and why Trump ended his friendship with Epstein on face value. Trump could have been made aware of Epstein's recording powerful people's sexual habits for Wall Street interests. And that's closely related to why the reported Moscow tape so upset Trump.


Trump backers are flooding the internet that the "Clinton's are going down very soon" mantra because of Epstein. They can't wait. They even started the conspiracy of Clinton getting to Epstein in his jail cell. And they don't want to hear anything about Trump's association with Epstein. They are only focused on Clinton as usual. Idiots.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
34. trump seems to advocate for so many horrible things in plain sight that it is easy to imagine
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jul 2019

he would be involved in things even worse. Evil incarnate.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
35. AG Barr must be more than a little nervous
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jul 2019

about more info coming out re ties between Epstein and his father....

Karadeniz

(22,506 posts)
38. Now that Epstein s irrational power of attorney from the Victoria's secret guy is known, that's
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jul 2019

Another unexplained factor you can plug into your thinking. Can't wait to read your ensuing ideas! We're lucky to have you! Thanks!

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
43. At first, I thought this was going to be a post on some sort of erotic asphyxiation thing.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jul 2019

I had to look up the definition of "apophenia." I was expecting this to be a post suggesting that Epstein was into autoerotic asphyxiation, and this incident was just him trying to pleasure himself. I am obviously wrong about the meaning of that word. But, given Epstein's nature, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out he was just trying to get off.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
52. Sweet! A new word
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:44 PM
Jul 2019

Apophenia (/æpoʊˈfiːniə/) is the tendency to mistakenly perceive connections and meaning between unrelated things. The term (German: Apophänie) was coined by psychiatrist Klaus Conrad in his 1958 publication on the beginning stages of schizophrenia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
54. Conspiracy theorists are apopheniacs; Qanon suckers are tremendous examples.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jul 2019

(I just coined the word "apopheniac". Perhaps I'm not the first.)

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
69. Aha!
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jul 2019

So you chew over the implications of a word, do you? Bill Clinton is known to chew his food, so is Hillary. I think the connection is obvious!

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
57. Great post!
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 09:44 AM
Jul 2019

The shadowy world of high-level spying and intelligence machinations has been around a long time. I’ve long believed—with no proof whatsoever 😀—that the CIA has clear evidence of Trump as a Russian asset, but they’re unwilling to let it be used because it would give away too much to the Russians. If that’s the case, they’re betting that the country can survive Trump and they can keep everything hidden.

For those who are interested in history, a great book to read is The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer. It’s about John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles. It’s an eye opener on the dirty tricks the US government has perpetrated in the name of national security but more often for domination and protection of corporate profits. The part of the book on the overthrow of the democratically elected leader of Iran is especially interesting in light of many later events in the Middle East and the hatred of the peoples there toward the US. They have reasons to hate us.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
70. I have read several books
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019

On the Dulles. Also know Bush was head of the CIA. He knew all the tricks...
Bush was not always that nice, old fanny pinching, lovable old man.

Iran hostages. Iran/Contra,

TheRickles

(2,057 posts)
66. "The Ghost Writer"
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jul 2019

Echoes of the 2010 Ewan McGregor movie "The Ghost Writer", where a university professor scouts out new recruits for the CIA. Unfortunately for Ewan (who is ghost-writing the British ex-PM's memoirs), he wasn't careful enough in covering his tracks when he tried to find out what happened to his predecessor.

I remember it as a very believable model for how this sort of operation functions, and it's even more relevant after hearing about the Barr/Epstein school connections.

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
67. Another great analysis
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 07:21 PM
Jul 2019

Never would have occurred to me that Epstein was trolling for blackmail victims.


Piece of shit.

Let's hope he has tape of the mango mussolini.

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