Do you ever say, "WTF white people"?

[StarfishSaver]

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Do you ever say, "WTF white people" even though you are a white people?

[ProudLib72]

1. No. I reserve most of my WTFs for orange people

[greyl]

2. All the time.

[She_Totally_Gets_It]

52. One of my favorite Prince tunes. Thanks for sharing and honoring him. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Yes, but I say WTF about an awful lot of things these days.

I feel like a cartoon character with a permanent thought balloon over my head that says "WFT?"

[StarfishSaver]

5. Lol!

Ain't it da truth?

[lunatica]

22. LOL!

I know that feeling.

[Hekate]

24. What you said. That and OMG. nt

[wasupaloopa]

4. No. We are not a homogenous group of people. Why is it that to some people the fuck ups

are used to define the whole race? I don’t know of any other race where that is ok.

Especially us old white guys. If you feel that for some reason it is ok to label us, well, that’s your thing. I don’t wear your label.

[StarfishSaver]

9. If it's any consolation, I sometimes say, "WTF black people"?

And I'm a black people.

[wasupaloopa]

14. Well I don't don't say WTF about anyone. In my reading I learned that everyone of us has a

Buddha nature. That is, we all have the potential of being really great people. Even the worst of us can change. I think it is better to see the good in people rather dwell on the bad. There will always be ass holes but there will always be saints too.

Just look at how we are all touched by the horrible conditions of the immigrants and want to help put and end to it. That is part of our Buddha nature.

[StarfishSaver]

15. You're no fun ... Remind me not to sit with you at the next party

Just joking

[orleans]

21. lol n/t

[Caliman73]

16. Sorry but Trump does not have a Buddah nature.

Trump theoretically can change, but he won't and he will NEVER be a great person. He is to damaged, too far gone, and lacks the ability for introspection that is necessary for change.

Other people I can go along with.

[Hekate]

26. For bringing up Buddha nature...

Though personally I think the whole lot of this gang are going to have to spend a considerable time as cockroaches before they can even graduate to sewer rats on the next pass.

[BlueMTexpat]

37. They may even have to work up to

cockroaches first, so it may take more than a couple passes.

[ck4829]

31. This is factually correct, but politics don't care about facts

While we are discussing this, there are how many places, how many discussions that are indeed treating non-white ethnic as homogeneous groups?

Trump got elected because there were enough people who are scared of the 'other', by painting them as hostile groups without individuality AKA homogeneous. Mexicans are rapists, Muslims are out to get you, etc. Nobody over on the other side of the aisle had this same discussion about 'them' that we are having now about 'us', I can assure you of that.

We have to subvert this, we have to twist the things that Trump used and ran on, this was one of them.

[nini]

47. You don't have to wear a label to know it exists.

They're are far too many shitty white people that need to be called out right now.

The non shifty white people need to loud and clear in doing so.

[sweetloukillbot]

6. Were you around for the Wypipo discussions?

You've just kicked a hornets nest... #notallwypipo

And to answer the question, yes.

[StarfishSaver]

10. Wypipo discussions?

[sweetloukillbot]

12. Last year someone posted a Wypipo article from The Root

It got ugly...

[StarfishSaver]

13. Lol - it sounds like you're referring to some pivotal point in history:

"Do you remember the Boer War?" ... "They came here as part of the Great Migration" ... "My grandfather was involved in the Harlem Renaissance" ... "Were you around for the Wypipo Discussions?"

[ck4829]

34. And it's funny, you know, race is a social construct. There is nothing 'real' about being white

It's not biological, it's not natural, and it's certainly not divine.

And the same thing can be said about being black or any other race.

We CAN say "wypipo" are the people who call 911 as a black person removal service, who call it when white people trash buildings and turn over cars a 'sport celebration' but a 'riot' when black people do the same, who treat violence from non-white people as a war or clash of civilizations but see the violence from a white person as a response to horrible treatment in his life and that he is a victim too in a sense.

White people are the people who are outraged about the things 'wypipo' are OK with.

I remember this same discussion that you are being asked, I remember all of the DUers of color who responded to me, they were agreeing with that what I said above, that "white people" is NOT "wypipo".

Shame and disgust, it's the best way to fight back against the BBQ Becky's and these people who push fascism because of "economic anxiety", and that shame and disgust needs to come from white people.

But it seems like most of us white people don't want to shame racists and express open disgust of them... most of us don't want to cause trouble.

But some of us do like causing trouble.

[brer cat]

43. It brought on a lot of "WTF white people" thoughts. nt

[brush]

29. It was during all the "calling the cops on innocent AAs just living life...BBQ Becky, et al.

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it needed to get ugly because of the ugly actions.

[melman]

17. lol

As if you don't know.

[angstlessk]

7. Well, white people (I am 1) get to be individuals

blacks, Asians. middle easterners and so many more are condemned by the entirety of there ethnic being, (not race..there is NO f...ing race)

[loyalsister]

50. Race exists as a carved out social position in the US

Without whiteness there are not other races. And it is a fact that people who are not white are treated as if they lack humanity.
White people often don't want to admit to being white because it is a beneficial characteristic. Why would someone want to be as vulnerable to police stops as those who are 91 percent more likely to be in my area?
Whiteness is the default and superior social position. To deny it is to say racism does not exist. Denial allows it to flourish. It's no accident that we saw it surface at a time when many people claimed to be color blind.

[marble falls]

8. Every freaking day with a forehead slap. And I'm a white person.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

11. Not much, because I'm SUPER-WHITE and clean-cut...

... so I've been privy to the mindset of other white people who voted for Trump.

In other words, based on my appearance and mannerisms, they assume that I'm just like them!

Most Trump supporters are right-wing authoritarians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants. In parenting, right-wing authoritarians value children's obedience, neatness and good manners.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533

If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

Most of them don't blame people for the color of their skin, which can't be controlled, but rather their "disobedience" to their white cultural norms. It just happens that non-white people tend to have different cultures.

I have worked alongside authoritarian white people who get very upset about people who expose their underwear beneath their pants. It's like getting angry about long-haired hippies from the 60's! Good grief. How is that a danger?! Yet that's how their minds work.

I was cringing during the repeated media coverage of BLM protestors, by the way. Blocking roads and the like? That sort of thing just draws borderline authoritarians to insanity!

These two fictional characters from "No Country for Old Men" would surely be Trump voters if they were real people:

[murielm99]

28. My husband gets all those assumptions.

He (and I) are very white. DH is an old white guy and a farmer. People here are often shocked that he is a Democrat and that he despises trump. It's fun to watch the reactions.

[MaryMagdaline]

57. Great analysis! That explains a lot

[Raine]

18. NO...

I say WTF people!

[TygrBright]

19. ohgod... ALL the time. And yes, I are one. n/t

[Farmgirl1961]

20. Yep

Unfortunately more and more every single day. White Fragility on full display.

[lunatica]

23. All the time lately

The worst part is I look like them so people who see me can so easily mistake me for an Idiocrat MAGAT. I’m 71 and I’m white.

I try being nice and smile at people and act friendly in the hope of not being mistaken for an idiot.

Yeah, it’s a WTF world lately!

[susanr516]

25. Every. single. day.

And, yes, I'm white.

[TalenaGor]

27. all the time lol

[912gdm]

30. Yay!

this again!

[ck4829]

32. Yes, something to that effect

[Mersky]

33. Yes. It's rough. Two days a week, especially.

Might as well be cymbals crashing after whatever they say. I just breathe on thru it, and speak. I try to get something productive through to them or others in the vicinity. Oddly, can work, but it's painful at times.

Haven't punched anyone, yet.

[crazytown]

35. Yes

All the time.

[Hekate]

36. Yes & I am one. But I got awfully tired of the slur wypipo before it played out...

I was with a small group of friends tonight, just social, but the topic of Trump and his racism came up more than once, like picking a scab. It hurts. It hurts, and not just for us political types.

My feeling is -- and others agreed -- that with Obama elected twice, I thought this country had grown up, or was growing up. Some pundit (no doubt white) opined at the time that "racism was dead," and I knew it was bullshit immediately. But I thought we were growing up.

Trump's presidency, however obtained, has shown that a considerable minority are only too happy to act out their worst. I thought the Civil War was ancient history, but apparently not for them.

So WTF, my fellow Americans: you make the rest of us feel ashamed to be associated with you.

Just bear in mind, though, that the Trump mob is a minority. They lost the popular vote, and that means a lot, when assessing the damage. And according to what I've been reading, the "statistic" that the majority of white women voted for the bastard is more than likely a self-serving meme than an actual fact. (Ask who that meme serves, and the answer is: more than you would think.)

The people who put Barack Obama into office twice are still here, and still diverse as ever, which means a lot of us are ... white.

[Mersky]

41. Yes, this. Is helpful, Hekate.

Has been a very hard fall.

We must recognize the strength in our number and diversity.

[She_Totally_Gets_It]

54. The majority of white people DID NOT vote for Barack Obama. Only white folk were saying that

racism was over because the country elected Barack Obama. Obama won because there were enough white people who joined with other non-white people to help him get elected. But the vast majority of white people voted for McCain in 2008 and Trump in 2016.

[Hekate]

62. Nice to meet you too, She Totally Gets It

Although maybe you don't, yet.

[She_Totally_Gets_It]

63. And you as well. 🥰

[silentEcho]

38. I do. I have been. Two of my old white male friends have come out as white males being the ones

discriminated against. In the last few days, I have spent a lot of time saying wtf. It is like they are free now telling their truth and they are much more bold and frequent putting out the women and blacks picking on white men.

Yes. Wtf. I have been sitting here saying this to myself. A handful of times tonight having just read another post from one of these old white men. Not religious men. Would define themselves on the left. Wtf.

Sanders supporters but this primary went for Gabbard. Wtf?

[BlueMTexpat]

39. My WTFs are generally

equal opportunity. I use the expression whenever I think that it applies.

Unfortunately, it's been applying a LOT since Nov 2016.

[Crunchy Frog]

40. No.

I don't lump groups of people together that way. If I did, I'd end up WTFing myself.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

42. For me, it's more often "WTF humans". Period.

The seven deadly sins are color blind.

Denial of climate change, high crime levels, greed, vulgarity, selfishness, self-centeredness and short-sightedness, cruelty to our fellow-man, still heavily driven by our primitive instincts, wasting of natural resources, blindness to consequences of our actions, misogyny......all those seem to affect all races, sexes, creeds and cultures to varying degree.

White people - by accident of evolution and history - at this point in time happen to have more assets and hence more economic and political power, so we're far more likely to abuse the power and created lots of WTFs.

KY...........

[JonathanDough]

44. No. That's small-minded & part of the problem.

Saying WTF (fill in the racial blank) paints with far too broad a brush.

I say WTF (small-minded/violent/hateful ethnic clique) often.
I say WTF (small-minded/violent/hateful racial clique) often.
I say WTF (small-minded/violent/hateful political clique) often.
I say WTF (small-minded/violent/hateful religious clique) often.
There are many other cliques, but you get the idea.

Such sub-groups within modern societies almost always have participants that cross racial lines.

Skin color is a poor choice on which to predict (or criticize) behavior.

To say WTF about an entire demographic only serves to illustrate how limited one's intellect becomes when hemmed in by artificial constructs defined by clique(s).

I say WTF based on the displayed content of character, be that of the individual or the clique.

[yardwork]

45. Yes.

[whistler162]

46. Usually only for twits who twitter!

[Hotler]

48. I usually say "fucking crackers" nt

[Aristus]

49. All the time.

So we took away their free labor force. Get over it! Get up off your lazy white asses and put in an honest day's work for a change. Stop blaming black people for your failures in life!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

51. Every damn day. But "WTF white people" really means "STOP DOING RACIST SHIT ffs."

[Bradshaw3]

53. I often say this

Some posters sure remind me of another poster on here. Why, it's almost as if they are one and the same.

[MaryMagdaline]

55. Every day all day

[mcar]

56. All the time

[Tom Rinaldo]

58. Continually

White racism is profoundly troubling to me. It makes me constantly question basic human nature because, being white, I spend a whole lot of time in the presence of whites. All of my white friends are anti-racists, but I also obviously have many white acquaintances; neighbors, co-workers, extended family members etc. I know them, and by and large that are not literally stupid, nor are they fundamentally incapable of caring about the suffering of others even across racial ethnic and religious lines. But as soon as race extends beyond literal person to person contact with people who they personally know, in the abstract the disease seeps in and manifests in ways that do make me think "WTF white people".

[loyalsister]

59. Yep

I also often mutter "white people suck." As I did when I read through this thread. It reminds me of the "I don't see color" dismissal of the all too real experiences people who are not white have to put up with.

[treestar]

60. Yes, there are those

white people in the world.

The ones that seem to actually fear the passage of "Sharia Law."

The ones that actually thought the caravans were coming to take their houses.

Or think every Muslim in the world wants to kill us.

Or tweet about how crappy a city is because its representative chided them for their terrible behavior.

Or who vote for orange people.

Or who say you shouldn't be ashamed of being white (as if anyone said you should).

[Bettie]

61. All the time

pretty much every day.