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Name removed Jul 2019 OP
FM123 Jul 2019 #1
olegramps Jul 2019 #26
Iliyah Jul 2019 #2
Name removed Jul 2019 #7
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #10
pangaia Jul 2019 #3
kentuck Jul 2019 #5
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #9
pangaia Jul 2019 #24
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #29
pangaia Jul 2019 #30
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #28
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #31
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #33
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #34
hlthe2b Jul 2019 #4
Andy823 Jul 2019 #8
SlogginThroughIt Jul 2019 #15
Me. Jul 2019 #22
Me. Jul 2019 #6
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #11
ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #12
Joe941 Jul 2019 #13
colsohlibgal Jul 2019 #14
ecstatic Jul 2019 #16
Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #23
ooky Jul 2019 #17
ehrnst Jul 2019 #18
Left-over Jul 2019 #19
Perseus Jul 2019 #20
treestar Jul 2019 #21
NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #25
brandnewday2009 Jul 2019 #27
SaintLouisBlues Jul 2019 #32
lapucelle Jul 2019 #35
Lonestarblue Jul 2019 #36

Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:48 AM

1. Yep, trumpy needs to be called out - ignoring his delusional tales only makes it worse

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Response to FM123 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:13 AM

26. I beleve that the threat to the estabishment authoratarian presidence is the extreem issue.

Every action by this president that undermines the authority of congress, i.e. the voice of the people, is foremost the greatest threat to our liberties that were won with the blood of the founders. This began with Nixon and has been intensified by each succeeding Republican president. At present we have an Attorney General who totally supports their radical interpretation of the constitution, along with numerous recently appointed far right lifetime appointed judges along with a highly conservative majority of Supreme Court judges.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:49 AM

2. Mostly, Democrats are not whining about t-rump . . .

t-rump is whining about t-rump through mostly tweeter.

We are on issues that are important to the American people. The corporation media focus on t-rump whining.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:05 AM

10. how do you think the Democratic leadership can better reach these people you're talking to

And since you're in direct contact with them, what are you doing to educate them?

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:51 AM

3. "WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging? "

you can say that again.

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

WTF is wrong with the people in charge of Democratic messaging?

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Response to pangaia (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:54 AM

5. That has been the Democratic weakness for a long time.

Need a couple or three good messengers at the DNC.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:03 AM

9. What alternative do you propose?

I'm not talking about the substance of the messaging. How do you propose the Democratic leadership gets this message to break through to the people who need to hear it?

What communications mechanisms should they use that they're not currently using that will reach and influence the people you think aren't getting the right message but will get it if those in charge of Democratic messaging do their jobs correctly?

Specifics please?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:01 AM

24. i have no idea. that's their job.. i'm a percussionist and I cook Sichuan...

I wouldn't ask somebody in the DNC to play a Mahler timpani part....



i mean.. how hard could it be? in spite of right wing media...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:46 AM

29. Oh. I assumed that since you figure there must be something wrong with the people doing the messagin

you had some ideas on how they could do it better or differently.

"How hard could it be?" You don't really know, do you? But perhaps it's much harder than you assume it is.

And just as you wouldn't ask anyone in the DNC to play a Mahler timpani part, you'd likely not take seriously people who've never picked up an instrument or read a note of music yelling "wtf is wrong with the percussionist?!" over and over from the back row of the concert hall because some people in the audience are patting their feet off the beat.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:48 AM

30. LOLOLO---L


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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:38 AM

28. get somebody willing to be outrageous

Need someone even the tv bobble-heads can't resist talking about. Somebody as brash as Avenatti but without the baggage. Noisy, funny, and a bit wonkers.

I'm not qualified, but I can wish.


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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:55 AM

31. And what would that do?

How exactly would you expect a loud, crazy Avenatti-like person delivering the Democratic message on cable tv to favorably impact support for impeachment or the Democrats chances to win the House, Senate and White House next year?

And who would this person be? A Member of Democratic leadership? A Senator or Member of Congress? A spokesperson hired by and who speaks for the Democratic House or Senate Leadership? Someone hired by the DNC. An independent agent hired by a political deep pocket who doesn't directly represent the party or any officials?

And how would they better reach people by getting the "tv bobbleheads" to talk about them than anything else the "tv bobbleheads" are talking about now? Do you think if a wacky person delivered the message, the talking heads would be any more likely to focus on the actual substantive message and not on the messenger than they do now? If so, why?

How exactly would this work?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:03 PM

33. TrumPutin got about $2 billion in free air time

No other Repug candidate could match the free time given to TrumPutin because he knew how to get the attention of tv execs.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:05 PM

34. Doesn't answer my question

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:53 AM

4. You just lost me (and likely many others) when you start by accusing us of "whining"

I won't write what I'm thinking now, but I'm betting you know. It starts with ___ and ends with__.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:02 AM

8. +10000 nt

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:39 AM

15. agreed

 

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:34 AM

22. Criticizing The Dems About Whining

By Whining. Go Figure

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 08:57 AM

6. Whining?

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:09 AM

11. What are you doing to communicate this message to people in your community?

It seems to me that working on spreading this message to the people you're in contact with and have influence over would be much more effective than whining to us about how other people aren't getting the message across.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:25 AM

12. Who the fuck is whining?

Names please.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:25 AM

13. Doesnt this break DU rules?

 

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:37 AM

14. This Is A Five Alarm Fire

We can talk policy and go hard after this Orange Hitler at the same time. We are at a crisis point, our way of life, our normalcy, is under attack.

I think we need to call out Trump in many different ways.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:48 AM

16. Not sure anyone believes trump, except his nazi base who's

feeling left out and becoming increasingly dangerous.

A far more important point to emphasize, IMO, would be how trump and Moscow Mitch are stacking the courts with racist, right wing judges. These judges have one agenda, which is to turn back the clock on civil rights.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:57 AM

23. Seems like it is rather starkly contradictory

how he is playing up his racist creds to his Nazi base by viciously attacking POC while at the same time playing up how African-American unemployment is at an all time low thanks to him and how much African-Americans supposedly love him for it.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 09:58 AM

17. I would not characterize dems as just whining about Trump.

Your frustration with the lies and the dishonest media perpetuating his lies is a frustration I'm sure everyone on this board shares. I wish I knew the answer to it, I don't, but let's not blame our democrats.

I think most of our candidates are smart enough to address the lies and mis-information in their campaigns.

The problem as I see it is that Trump gets plenty of "free" time to lie on television but we have to "pay" for a national campaign to address every lie the media allows him to spin out without being challenged. Its like everything else, getting out our message costs money, and our resources are finite. We have to prioritize how and where those resources will be used. I think be patient and as we get closer to voting that most of the lies will be pushed back on in ad campaigns deployed in the right timing and places.

My recommendation is provide campaign donations to the key races we need to win. With more funds we can double down on correcting more of the lies. Tell your candidates your concerns as you send them your campaign donations and ask them to spread your message.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:16 AM

18. Whining? Who's whining? Certainly not people on DU.

 

Maybe another board would suit you better.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:18 AM

19. The problem is that it doesn't matter what they shout.

The MSM is owned and operated by conservatives and whatever they want to be heard is what you will hear. Just ask Dan Rather.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:28 AM

20. "Trump has only reduced black unemployment by a little more than 1 point." If that is true

 

It is not the the creature would be responsible for it, like the economy, he is basking on what Obama left behind. If it were for the creature he would reverse 100% of any good Obama accomplished, and he is actually working hard on that.

And neither the Democrats or the media should credit the creature of that 1 point, it is not his doing. Every time Chris Hayes, or Rachel Maddow do not respond to the claims that the "economy is good under the creature" is a bonus for the creature because it leaves the idea in the minds of viewers that, although the creature is a vile creature, well the economy is good so they feel they can give him a pass.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:32 AM

21. Whining indicates the problem is not real

45 is a disaster. It is not whining. It is crying "help."

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:12 AM

25. The candidates are mostly being ignored right now

as is the DNC.

The only Democrats that the media will listen to are AOC and Nancy Pelosi, with maybe Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff if those two aren't available.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:00 PM

32. No, KISS is the way to go (Keep It Simple, Stupid) Not calling anyone here stupid, of course,

but one third of Americans can not name the vice-president, now or ever. Midway through Obama's first term, 10 percent of Americans thought Dick Chaney was VP!

If one out of three people can not even be bothered to know the name of the VP, how can we expect them to know other details?

Stick to the racism issue. If the Orange Menace wins again, fuck the American people with a cactus!

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:07 PM

35. "The Democrats need to stop obsessing about Trump and Russia, and start talking about

the bread-and-butter issues that matter to ordinary people.” Since Donald Trump took office, that sentiment has been a refrain for the party’s leading critics on both the left and right. It is also fundamentally unfair.

In truth, the Democratic Party is quite focused on promoting a progressive critique of the GOP’s positions on taxes, health care, and social spending, because it knows that Republicans are deeply vulnerable on those issues.

MSNBC, CNN, and the broader mainstream media, however, are obsessed with the White House’s myriad scandals – because they know that a federal investigation into the American president’s potential ties to the Kremlin (and/or porn stars and/or white-collar crime) is ratings gold — while daily broadcasts reiterating the regressive implications of the GOP’s tax law and health-care plans would be anything but.

If you get your news from Democratic Twitter accounts, then you might well think that the biggest “scandal” in American politics right now is the Republican Party’s war on the middle class.

snip====================================================

But if you get your news from cable television — or secondhand from friends and family who watch cable news — then you will think that “Russia-gate” is the Democratic Party’s central concern; because that is just about the only thing that cable news channels invite Democratic officeholders to go on television to discuss.


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/05/the-democratic-party-has-an-msnbc-problem.html

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:10 PM

36. The media care only about Trump's tweets.

If the media cared about real issues facing the country, they would report on income inequality and how Republican tax policies have transferred wealth to the 1%, which now owns more than the bottom 90% of us. They would explain how that inequality transfers power away from “we the people” to a government for the rich. They would report on the corporate policies that allow big, rich corporations to hire people at minimum wage and also deny them benefits like health insurance or the opportunity to contribute to retirement savings, forcing many families to need food stamps and to go without healthcare. They would report on the effect of the gig economy where young people can only get temporary jobs with no benefits.

They would report on how and why the US economy shifted away from a manufacturing economy to a service economy and the impact that shift has had on rural communities. The majority of service jobs are in larger cities where the people are not in rural communities. They would report on the condition of infrastructure in this country and the lack of investment to fix it. They would report on the high cost of a college education and why costs are out of control. They would report on the scam for-profit universities that prey on first-generation students by charging high fees and delivering virtually worthless degrees that employers do not value. Or they go bankrupt and leave students with nothing but student loans to repay.

They would report on the scientific consensus on the causes of climate change and the role the oil companies play in preventing investments in alternative energy. They would report on the devastating effects of climate change around the world.

They would report on how Trump has cut economic aid not only to Central American countries but also around the world. They would report that the border crisis has been made much worse because Trump cut off all economic aid to El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. They would report that Pew Research does favorability ratings around the world, and the trust in the US president went from a 64% confidence in Obama to a 74% NO CONFIDENCE in Trump. The perception of the US has also changed, with 52% of our closest European allies now holding an unfavorable view of the US.

I could go on and on, but I get so frustrated because the media mostly deals in superficialities while the country is going to hell right in front of us, led by a madman and a Republican Party that I think of as the single most destructive force that we face as we try to hang on to our democratic republic.

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