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Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:06 PM

Michelle Goldberg just made an excellent point about impeachment inquiries

In response to the claim that, absent a formal impeachment resolution passed by the full House, the Judiciary Committee's impeachment inquiry isn't official and/or doesn't carry the same weight, she explained that previous impeachment resolutions simply authorized the Judiciary Committee to begin conducting an imoeachment inquiry. In this instance, the committee is simply conducting that inquiry.

I hadn't thought about that, but she's absolutely right. And unless anyone's planning to argue that the Judiciary Committee's inquiry is somehow improper or violates any law or House rule (which it isn't and doesn't), the claim that it doesn't carry the same weight or is not "official" without a full House resolution is a non-starter.

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Reply Michelle Goldberg just made an excellent point about impeachment inquiries (Original post)
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 OP
hlthe2b Jul 2019 #1
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #2
DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #3
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #4
melman Jul 2019 #5
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #6
Me. Jul 2019 #7
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #8
melman Jul 2019 #9
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #10
melman Jul 2019 #11
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #13
melman Jul 2019 #15
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #17
ehrnst Jul 2019 #19
pnwmom Jul 2019 #12
StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #14
pnwmom Jul 2019 #16
uponit7771 Jul 2019 #18

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:16 PM

1. Every legal scholar I've seen discuss this has said this is an impeachment inquiry and those

who nitpick on the semantics are citing a distinction without a difference, at least legally. And, I've read comments from at least a dozen by now.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:20 PM

2. I agree

And Goldberg's point reinforces it.

And when it comes to the court moving on congressional actions like this, they give great difference to Congress to define its work, especially when it's work is governed by internal Congressional rules.. If the House tells a court it's conducting an impeachment inquiry, the court isn't going to second guess them with that kind of nitpicking.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:21 PM

3. Nadler made the same points when he was on

with O'Donnell last night.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:23 PM

4. I think his point was slightly different, but it was all in the same ballpark.

Or maybe I missed him saying the same thing Goldberg said.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:41 PM

5. Why are congresspeople still calling for to happen if it's already happening?

for example..




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Response to melman (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:55 PM

6. I don't know

Maybe she missed Nadler's press conference and hasn't talked to any of her colleagues.

Or maybe she told her communications people to put out a tweet supporting an inquiry, and this is what they wrote.

Who knows? But if the Chairman and Members of the Judiciary Committee say they're investigating impeachment, that's good enough for me.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:19 PM

7. Because Most People SimplyCan't Or Refuse To Understand Nuance

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Response to Me. (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:22 PM

8. This isn't even nuance

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:39 PM

9. Or maybe...

it's not actually happening.

Unless maybe Michelle Goldberg knows things Rep. Wexton doesn't know? Or perhaps Rep. Wexton used the word 'begin' by accident?

"it is time for the House of Representatives to assert our constitutional responsibility and begin an impeachment inquiry."

those are the words Rep. Wexton's tweet. How could it be "time to begin" if it's already started?


also, "investigating impeachment" ≠ impeachment inquiry. As you know.

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Response to melman (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:45 PM

10. Nadler and the Judiciary Committee Members say it's happening

If there's a difference of opinion here, I'm going with the people on the Judiciary committee who are actually conducting the investigation over a first term Congresswoman in her 7th month on the job.

And yes, an impeachment inquiry = an impeachment investigation.

But since you seem to believe they're different things would you please define your terms, explain to us the distinction between the two, and offer legal or precedential support for your definitions.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:25 PM

11. Eliot Engle





"I believe the House must pursue a formal impeachment inquiry."



But maybe he's another one that just doesn't understand. Or perhaps it's another case of rogue communication teams?

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Response to melman (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:30 PM

13. Yes, that could be it.

Or perhaps, as I said, he knows the Committee has already started an impeachment investigation and he wants to look like he's ahead of the curve.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:35 PM

15. Right

Rep. Engel is calling for a "formal impeachment inquiry" because he just doesn't get that it's already happening and that "investigation" and "formal inquiry" mean exactly the same thing. Of course.

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Response to melman (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:42 PM

17. Interesting to see you having such faith in the intelligence, integrity, consistency

absolutely non-political motives of Members of Congress - at least those who today issued statements boldly calling for an impeachment inquiry four days after the Judiciary Committee announced it's conducting an impeachment inquiry

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:57 AM

19. Funny, isn't it? (nt)

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Response to melman (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:28 PM

12. Maybe she didn't read the Judiciary Court filing saying that he was conducting

an investigation preliminary to an impeachment proceeding.

Which is exactly what a resolution would have called on the Judiciary Committee to do.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:35 PM

14. Actually the pleading goes even further than that

It says, among other things and repeatedly that "The Judiciary Committee is investigating whether to recommend articles of Impeachment." That's an impeachment investigation.

And Nadler and the Committee Members have repeatedly said their conducting and impeachment inquiry or impeachment investigation.

There's really no question that that's being done. It is questionable why some people keep insisting otherwise.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:40 PM

16. +1. nt

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:46 PM

18. K&R,

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