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alwaysinasnit

(5,064 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:08 PM Jul 2019

The difference between 'left' and 'liberal' and why voters need to know.

https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273

According to press accounts, all of the Democratic contenders taking the stage this week rank on a spectrum of more or less “liberal.”

They don’t.

While most are liberal, two or three are leftist, not liberal. It’s important that voters start distinguishing between those terms because the primary presents them a stark choice between the two.

Leftism and liberalism are distinct political categories with different histories. Understanding the problem of fusing them requires a quick tour of British history from around 1845 to 1980 with just a few stops along the way to the U.S. in 2019.

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Interesting article and well worth reading.
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The difference between 'left' and 'liberal' and why voters need to know. (Original Post) alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 OP
Since people will always argue about the labels FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #1
I believe the article is less about labels per se but rather what they might represent. alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #2
How about they are all Democrats.. pwb Jul 2019 #3
Yes, there is no doubt we will all vote for our nominee in the general election, but this article alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #5
I don't see it that way. This article attempts to divide . pwb Jul 2019 #7
I have no wish to foment division at all, but I think what is being lost in this discussion is that alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #8
There is no "stark choice" in our primary emulatorloo Jul 2019 #12
I believe voters today are interested in solutions, not labels emulatorloo Jul 2019 #4
I don't believe that this article is attempting to nitpick or divide. It is more in the historical alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #6
LOL There are no 'leftist' candidates taking the stage leftstreet Jul 2019 #9
I'm the rarest... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #10
+1 Go Vols Jul 2019 #19
The article describes a liberal in the classic sense as per Adam Smith Poiuyt Jul 2019 #11
The evolving nature of how the rich benefit from capitalism??? alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #15
Why are there never articles like this about the Right? Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #13
Excellent question ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #16
My guess is that it is all about greed throughout millenia, so no need to categorized on the alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #17
Good question. marybourg Jul 2019 #20
I was all set to be irritated, then I read the article. Kind of meh. ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #14
I guess it is about the evolution of priorities in every generation and how our current preferences alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #18
Why bury the lead? Who are the 3 leftists? ecstatic Jul 2019 #21
I might guess at 2 of them but not the 3rd. Any ideas? alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #22
"Liberal" is a comparative term. To Republicans, all Democrats are Liberal. elocs Jul 2019 #23
REPUBLICANS ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ROB-ROX Jul 2019 #24

alwaysinasnit

(5,064 posts)
5. Yes, there is no doubt we will all vote for our nominee in the general election, but this article
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jul 2019

is more about each of us determining our choice of candidates in the primaries.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
7. I don't see it that way. This article attempts to divide .
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jul 2019

Looks like everybody else thinks this too.

alwaysinasnit

(5,064 posts)
8. I have no wish to foment division at all, but I think what is being lost in this discussion is that
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jul 2019

the author is focusing on our choices in the primaries.

"While most are liberal, two or three are leftist, not liberal. It’s important that voters start distinguishing between those terms because the primary presents them a stark choice between the two."

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
12. There is no "stark choice" in our primary
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jul 2019

All of our candidates believe in lifting up the 99%, some form of universal healthcare, civil rights, and protecting the most vulnerable people in our society.

The stark choice is between any one of our candidate and the egregious Trump and his Republican enablers.

This is why people are finding this article divisive. It is trying to put out false distinctions about people who ageee

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
4. I believe voters today are interested in solutions, not labels
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jul 2019

No offense but I am not interested in an article that attempts to nitpick and divide us right now. At DU We are all united for 2020.

But thanks for posting.

alwaysinasnit

(5,064 posts)
6. I don't believe that this article is attempting to nitpick or divide. It is more in the historical
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jul 2019

nature of what liberal and left are about.

myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
10. I'm the rarest...
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jul 2019

...of a rare breed, I'm an old white guy who looks extremely Republican yet loves Socialism and Diversity...

...I've always made a distinction between Liberal and Leftist...I've had to...

...Liberals want to chase their stock portfolios around wall-street in their limos while Leftists would rather eliminate the place...Liberals will visit diverse communities while Leftists chose to work and live there...

...Liberals usually talk a good game in public but deliver very little...Leftists usually don't say much in public but will deliver if given half a chance...Liberals are driven by capitalist ideology while Leftists usually aren't...

...that's my opinion and I sticking to it...

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
11. The article describes a liberal in the classic sense as per Adam Smith
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jul 2019

It gets confusing when a classic liberal is closer to a Tea Party conservative.

BTW, neoliberals are at the root of all our country's problems.

alwaysinasnit

(5,064 posts)
17. My guess is that it is all about greed throughout millenia, so no need to categorized on the
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jul 2019

spectrum of greed.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
14. I was all set to be irritated, then I read the article. Kind of meh.
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jul 2019

I mean..ok. I guess.

One thing I understand is goalposts get moved and labels subverted. I was, at one time, considered a “radical” feminist. I had always thought I was a liberal feminist. Boy was I surprised.

alwaysinasnit

(5,064 posts)
18. I guess it is about the evolution of priorities in every generation and how our current preferences
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jul 2019

affect our political choices.

elocs

(22,566 posts)
23. "Liberal" is a comparative term. To Republicans, all Democrats are Liberal.
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

But within the Democratic Party not everyone would be considered "Liberal".
How we do love labels though. Democrat or Republican helps us to identify the tribe so we know if we should consider someone evil.
Then within our Tribe we have Liberal and Progressive. There is "Moderate" or even, gasp!, "Conservative" but we all know they are not really Democrats at all, just DINOs and Republican-Lite.
Yes, labels are very helpful.

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
24. REPUBLICANS ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jul 2019

Most republican voters are zombie drones who do not think. They are hand fed crap from republicans that feeds their tiny brains. I think education prevents a new voting generation of republicans. Most republican morons just do SATAN'S bidding because they are brainless morons.

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