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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:17 PM

WOW: Official Rebuke to Trump from Washington National Cathedral ("Have we no decency?" )

"The question is less about the president's sense of decency, but of ours."





https://cathedral.org/have-we-no-decency-a-response-to-president-trump.html

Have We No Decency? A Response to President Trump

As faith leaders who serve at Washington National Cathedral ¬– the sacred space where America gathers at moments of national significance – we feel compelled to ask: After two years of President Trump’s words and actions, when will Americans have enough? --snip--

We have come to accept a level of insult and abuse in political discourse that violates each person’s sacred identity as a child of God. We have come to accept as normal a steady stream of language and accusations coming from the highest office in the land that plays to racist elements in society.

This week, President Trump crossed another threshold. Not only did he insult a leader in the fight for racial justice and equality for all persons; not only did he savage the nations from which immigrants to this country have come; but now he has condemned the residents of an entire American city. Where will he go from here?

Make no mistake about it, words matter. And, Mr. Trump’s words are dangerous.

These words are more than a “dog-whistle.” When such violent dehumanizing words come from the President of the United States, they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists who consider people of color a sub-human “infestation” in America. They serve as a call to action from those people to keep America great by ridding it of such infestation. Violent words lead to violent actions.


-more-- I highly recommend reading the entire letter as signed by:

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith, Dean of Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas, Canon Theologian of Washington National Cathedral

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Reply WOW: Official Rebuke to Trump from Washington National Cathedral ("Have we no decency?" ) (Original post)
hlthe2b Jul 2019 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #1
Wednesdays Jul 2019 #3
hlthe2b Jul 2019 #6
paleotn Jul 2019 #8
patphil Jul 2019 #13
EleanorR Jul 2019 #10
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #11
EleanorR Jul 2019 #15
calimary Jul 2019 #16
lunasun Jul 2019 #2
mcar Jul 2019 #4
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #5
hlthe2b Jul 2019 #7
Hekate Jul 2019 #9
malaise Jul 2019 #12
patricia92243 Jul 2019 #14
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #17
cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2019 #19
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #20
cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2019 #24
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #25
gratuitous Jul 2019 #26
NBachers Jul 2019 #18
AllaN01Bear Jul 2019 #21
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2019 #22
DiverDave Jul 2019 #23
WePurrsevere Aug 2019 #27

Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:27 PM

1. I saw that - wonder what the so-called "Christian" right-wing evangelicals will think?

Will they say Episcopalians aren't real Christians?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:33 PM

3. Bingo.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:43 PM

6. I wonder what self-proclaimed "Saint" Mike Pence will think of this...

Yeah, I know... His hypocrisy has probably already been shown to have no limits, but...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:08 PM

8. Yes.

Anyone who doesn't follow their particular brand of Christianity cannot, by definition, be Christians. I've heard that from them for years and years. They actually believe that crap. They are...the American Taliban.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:18 PM

13. What they don't realize is that

anyone who follows their particular brand of "Christianity" is, by definition, most definitely NOT Christian.
They can fool themselves, but they can't fool God.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:13 PM

10. Episcopalians aren't real Christians but trump is?

What sort of contorted thinking is that?

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Response to EleanorR (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:14 PM

11. How contorted does one's thinking have to be to support Trump at all?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:25 PM

15. Good point nt

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:39 PM

16. I once saw a button that read: "the Christian Right is Neither."

Fitting.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:32 PM

2. " when will Americans have enough? "--snip--

It really does say a lot about the state of this country that he is still in the white house, that a majority are not for impeachment and he still has a lot of fanatic followers

He started his whole campaign coming down an escalator spewing racist bullshit and most of the country said zip

That Clinton was so falsely vilified by a large part of the population, even many dem party members also speaks volumes on how messed up the american mindset is imo



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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:34 PM

4. Beautiful!

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:35 PM

5. "they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists"

No mincing words there!

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:07 PM

7. No. They certainly did not. I am relieved to see this after Trump's bringing in his

supposed Xian faith leader toadies to defend him immediately after the outrage began in earnest.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:11 PM

9. KnR

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:15 PM

12. Show some balls and ban him and his administration

from the cathedral

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:19 PM

14. Trump will start seriously bad-mouthing these guys. I wonder

if any religious people will finally be fed up and realize he has crossed a line.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:13 PM

17. He will punish them by having his funeral somewhere else.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:52 PM

19. You say that like it's a bad thing

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:00 PM

20. The very idea of Trump's funeral, no matter where it will be,

warms my heart. But I can imagine Dolt 45 delivering a snitty tweet about those losers at the National Cathedral missing their chance to conduct the greatest, most well-attended funeral in the history of the world.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:22 PM

24. Could be worse

In the novel “Flash Forward “ Canadian SF author Robert J. Sawyer envisioned 45 commissioning a pyramid to rival the ones in Egypt to house his earthly remains.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:36 PM

25. I wouldn't put it past him.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:44 PM

26. He hasn't had a twitrum yet

Trump really likes picking fights, but curiously mostly with persons of color or obvious targets like chuck-n-nancy. I wonder why he's so reticent about punching back at the National Cathedral folks? Is he afraid of them? Does he realize he can't bully them with worldly taunts about their ratings or their net worth? His silence is interesting. Maybe we should bring it up to internet trolls, see what they think of Trump's shrinking violet response to the National Cathedral?

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:37 PM

18. This is significant

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:13 PM

21. rah to the national cathedral and the epispcopal church.

(im a member) great pastoral letter . and the moral majiority is either and neither . and they dont represent me in any way, shape or form.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:22 PM

22. Not inviting Fat Donnie to the annual National Prayer Breakfast would be a good start.

McCain had the right idea by announcing while he was alive that Trump would not be invited to his funeral. (Unfortunately Ivanka and Jared crashed the event.)

Traditionally, the president is one of two keynote speakers at the prayer breakfast. Maybe it's time to break that tradition.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 09:16 PM

23. Wow, indeed

They need to watch out for the nuts
They will come for them

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:53 AM

27. "Wow" was my first reaction too. It feels like it might actually be...

Significant in getting attention, perhaps even shaking things up. I'm not holding my breath but it gives me a flash of hope.

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