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Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:35 PM

Sorry, not all semi-automatics are the same, regardless of what your gun nut neighbor says

Semi-automatic means you don't have to cock the gun or chamber a round every time you want to shoot a bullet. Such guns chamber a round and cock themselves with each pull of the trigger, making them ready to shoot again and again with just the pull of the trigger. But you do have to keep pulling the trigger. In contrast, automatic weapons keep firing with just one pull of the trigger, as in a machine gun. Many non-military firearms are designed as semi-automatics, and this is where gun nuts like to seize on a favorite argument.

Extreme gun nuts will howl that restrictions on AR style weapons are not justified because they are just common semi- automatics like your father's hunting rifle or pistol, that they are not actually "military weapons", they just look that way. That is not entirely true. AR style semi-automatics are designed more in line with carbines, which are rifles designed to be lighter with shorter barrels making them easier to handle in combat. According to Wikipedia "The vast majority of AR barrels fall between the 14.5″ military M4 type and the 20″ M16 size, with 16″ being currently the most popular for civilians." This is why we call them military style weapons, so don't let your gun nut twitter tweeters tell you differently.

If killing quickly is the goal, I would argue that AR style weapons are certainly easier to use than semi-automatic handguns, and much easier than using a semi-automatic longer hunting style rifle as well.

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Reply Sorry, not all semi-automatics are the same, regardless of what your gun nut neighbor says (Original post)
Ohioboy Aug 5 OP
safeinOhio Aug 5 #1
safeinOhio Aug 5 #2
GitRDun Aug 5 #3
safeinOhio Aug 5 #5
demosincebirth Aug 5 #6
Hoyt Aug 5 #4
jimmy the one Aug 5 #7
kacekwl Aug 5 #8
sarisataka Aug 5 #9

Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:41 PM

1. For water fowl, semi-automatic shotguns are used. Only

they are limited to only hold 3 rounds. Good enough for ducks, good enough for self defense.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:42 PM

2. If you need more than 3 rounds for hunting,

you need to take up fishing.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:03 PM

3. I work with three avid hunters

They said nearly the same thing,

“If you need more than three rounds to hunt, you need to get to the practice range!”

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:05 PM

5. Yep and if you gotta shoot a full auto...

you can sign up for the infantry.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:51 PM

6. Are you kidding? You get shot at, there😩

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:05 PM

4. Apparently, the gun-humper in Dayton reeled off 40+ shots in 30 seconds or so.

That seems lethal enough for me, particularly with a 100 round magazine any sicko gun-lover can buy.

We had a few Gungeoneers spouting that "assault rifles aren't automatic" BS yesterday, along with gunners on gun promotion sites. But, that BS is getting old. None of these shootings are anything but assaults on our society.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:15 PM

7. take away the bullets (.223)

ohio boy: If killing quickly is the goal, I would argue that AR style weapons are certainly easier to use than semi-automatic handguns, and much easier than using a semi-automatic longer hunting style rifle as well.

The comparison with handguns I'd sort of agree, with hunting rifles not so sure.
It's the bullet moreso than the AR15 rifle, imo. The bullet is actually a 22 caliber, but it is a full metal jacket (FMJ), it's encased in a shell with magnum (extra) gun powder which gives it ~3,000 fps muzzle velocity and is approx 10 times more powerful than a rimfire 22 caliber handgun (about 700 feet per second).
The 22 caliber AR15 bullet is designated as a 0.223 to differentiate it from a 22 caliber, and the lethality diff is like night & day, tho the caliber diff is insignificant.
The .223 has a cannelation (groove, midsection) which helps it fragment in two shortly after entry into soft target, thus (possibly, since not always fragments) creating two bullet paths. The larger fragment (typically 3/2 split) can cavitate - expanding the bullet path like a shock wave disrupting internal organs, and exit wounds can be horrendous, often baseball sized exit wounds as the kinetic energy due a corollary to einstein's formula e = mc(squared) is played out.
The .223 fmj is indeed lightweight & it is the muzzle velocity ~3,000 feet per second which gives it high kinetic energy.

The AR15 was the prototype to the m16 military rifle, use same bullets but sometimes different weight 55 grain or 62. Compare an AK47 bullet weight of ~150 grains, & hunting rifles 200, 300 or more. (these tend not to cavitate or split as frequently as .223, thus more like a dagger thrust which is a bit more survivable statistically speaking.
The m16 was designed more to wound & incapacitate the enemy than to immediately kill, on the premise that a dead soldier can be abandoned on the field, but a screaming one in pain is demoralizing & takes a couple stretcher bearers to cart him to hospital.

The AK47 'twin' to the .223 ar15 is the AK74. Les coeurs jumeaux les .223.

This bullet is what needs be banned as well as the ar15.

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:34 PM

8. Thank you.

Good information to know.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:57 PM

9. Don't believe everything you see on the internet

Many technical sounding words do not equal accurate information

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