Now being reported: NONE of current hospitalized El Paso victims agreed to meet with Trump AND...

[hlthe2b]

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it appears those workers in the released Dayton hospital photos MAY not have been employed at that hospital. Twitter is actively working to identify who they were (NOTE: It remains POSSIBLE these were staff members from another unit or shift, workers at an associated hospital or more senior administrative staff and not actors or other more malign explanations, so this part is rumour at this point. Hospitals administrators are all about PR, afterall):

First, from Phil Rucker (WAPO):

Link to tweet

then:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

1. OMG. He faked photos!

[FarPoint]

13. The pictures above are the Dayton pictures.

Miami Valley/ Premier Hospital...yes, the staff flocked to him...because the visit was about them, the staff meeting the pResident and they adore and worship him....

I live here and know the division here is present....



https://www.whio.com/news/local/photos-scenes-president-trump-visit-dayton/nc8G2nJutXZgGykbZGlStK/


The above patient looks like he should of been discharged by now....just saying he looks good.

[riversedge]

77. We all know that there are many MAGA Trump supporters everywhere, including hospitals.

[lostnfound]

61. More likely: bots are burying the FACTS of his inhumanity with FAKE theories of crisis actors

They’ll wind up some on the left and then parade it in the rightwing propaganda bubble as proof that the left is crazy and just hates trump no matter what he does

[Tommy_Carcetti]

75. Yup.

Worked with 9-11.

Bush administration’s incompetence in recognizing the threats ended up getting ignored because people who talked about it got lumped in with the crazy “Truthers”

[Farmer-Rick]

81. Oh wow, I always wondered why a generic 9/11 Truther label was slapped

On anyone who thought Cheney's and W's responses to the threat were pathetically incompetent. W and his children story reading while all hell was breaking lose. And where was Cheney hiding anyway? Stupid Cowards all of them.

But anytime I would bring up the incompetence of W and Darth Cheney, I got labeled a conspiracy theorist. When in fact they were both very incompetent and failed our country at a crucial moment.

I had no idea that the label was manipulated by KKKarl Rove. Figures.

[Aussie105]

2. The faces

are not those of people who have treated gunshot patients, workers in a busy hospital in a traumatised city.

They look like partygoers, happy-happy! Trump supporters rounded up from surrounding hospitals for a photo op.

Can anyone read visible nametags?

[underpants]

3. I want to see how this plays out

Sounds a little to contrived for me but we'll see.

[mucifer]

4. sooo creepy. Yet, it shows how many people don't fall for his crap. But, will this only

be reported in the WaPo?
I am thinking the news cycle has moved on and most people will "remember" that some victims and hospital staff met with the evil president.

[Scarsdale]

9. He made a campaign

video of this visit!! It will be interesting to know who was in this photo. Notice the variety of races, black, white, Asian, Hispanic? Right out of Central Casting. Maybe this was why his visit was not immediately planned, since they needed to round up the actors? Don't forget, his descent on his golden escalator was surrounded by PAID supporters.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

5. Do you have a source for the claim on the Dayton hospital workers?

I can’t just go off some unverified Twitter page.

I am not surprised about the El Paso news, though.

[hlthe2b]

8. I'm a DUer like you. Take it as being reported on twitter AS I CLEARLY STATED

My words were careful: "apparently", "Twitter is reporting/investigating" (and as you see these posters have copied both Rucker and Rachel Maddow on this).

I am not on the ground. I am not a paid investigator. I never said it had been MSM-verified. NEVER>

Take it or ignore it.

It was made clear where Phil Rucker was reporting documented accounts of currently hosptialized El Paso victims not meeting with Trump versus the accusations vis-a-vis Dayton, Ohio hospital.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. Well we should have higher standards.

Trump was elected thanks to weaponized false information spread over the internet.

We don’t have to play that game here, because of anything we do post does turn out to be false it does not make us look good.

I’m not immediately saying the Dayton claim was false, but we’re going to need a hell of a lot more to go off on as opposed to some random Twitter account and nothing else.

[hlthe2b]

15. Ignore then. Please put on ignore and I will do the same.

If YOU can't understand what is documented when I provide a link to WAPO versus what I clearly stated is being reported ONLY on twitter and thus under investigation, THAT IS ON YOU.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. No it's not on me.

It’s on all of us to not post rather wild but unverified rumors just because they might suit our agenda.

[hlthe2b]

20. I'm not your dancing monkey. If you can't read when I clearly stated what is rumor and what is not

THAT is YOUR problem.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. We're all part of a group here.

And if one of us ends up looking bad then we all do.

And I don’t want us to look bad here. It’s nothing personal against you.

This applies to any suspect information without a source.

I’d prefer we not turn into the National Enquirer of the Internet.

[hlthe2b]

23. This is a discussion board and I have not mislead anyone. I did clarify the OP further but that

is it for any further discussion with you on this. I am not beholding to you.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

25. Well thank you for your attempts to at least clarify. nt

[True Blue American]

27. Maybe you will listen to someone who lives close by?

Sherryl Mc Henry, a long time,well respected News Anchor was shuttled off into a room in the Hospital, not allowed near Trump or the patients.

Word is now coming out from workers at the Hospital that all those smiling faces did not work at the Hospital, they showed up about 2 hours before Trump.

Did you see one photo that included Nan Whaley, the Mayor of Dayton or Sherrod Brown? They were both in the Hospital with him. Then an enraged Trump tweeted lies about what Sherrod and Nan actually said about his visit.

People who post here do not have to lie about Trump. He gives them more than enough material.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

33. You're still speculating and not posting sources though

And the problem here is that it was paired with information from the Washington Post, a legitimate source. Which hurts their reputation if the additional info turns out to be bogus.

[True Blue American]

36. Your problem is

You started an argument with another poster and will not back down. Not my problem.

I know people who work in that hospital, but am ending my discussion.

Have a nice day!

[OilemFirchen]

46. They were Premier Health employees.

They may not all work at MVH downtown, but there are 14,000 Premier employees. Some of those pictured were from Premier administration. Some of the attending staff were invited to participate and chose not to.

As of yesterday's visit, there were three patients still at MVH, all in different wards. Not all of them were shot. Some of the discharged patients were invited to attend, but chose not to. Not all of the patients pictured were involved in the District shooting.

For reference, my S.O. works in the Trauma Unit.

[True Blue American]

51. My Hospital is Premier

Miami Valley North. Started as a Good Sam branch, when the Hospital closed it became Miami Valley North and is now expanding into a Hospital. All my Doctors,tests, everything in one building.

[OilemFirchen]

54. Premier owns five hospitals - three in Dayton.

I'm quite familiar with the old Good Sam south, as well, of course, as the now-closed original Good Sam - formerly owned by Premier.

For anyone interested, Premier Health is the second largest employer in Dayton, behind WPAFB.

[True Blue American]

85. Correct!

[58Sunliner]

56. Thanks.

[secondwind]

70. Give it a rest! You gave your opinion.

And that is THAT. Honestly!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

74. No.

I simply asked that we respect truth and not self-sabotage ourselves by going off on unverified rampant speculation simply because it sounds good to us.

That’s what the right does. I’ve seen it all over my Facebook feed. That’s not what we do.

[Demsrule86]

57. Reporting what is seen on twitter and making no claims as to the truth is

fine. It is done everyday here. I see nothing wrong with it. Time will tell.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

73. So I can start posting QAnon stuff just because it was on Twitter?

Good to know.

[Demsrule86]

91. I would suggest you read the rules on this site...I don't address this and if you read the rules

you would understand why...lots of things come from twitter. Use discernment.

[Sunsky]

35. Thanks for your post

It clearly shows the Dayton claim was from Twitter user who @ various media personalities to do their jobs.
Lawrence said last night that, he wouldn't be showing the propaganda photos, as reporters weren't allowed to go with Trump and the pictures are being released by the White House. Therefore, even those early reporting of workers flocking to Trump are reporting what they are being fed. We are Russia. We need to wake up and the MSM needs to wake up. We are being fed propaganda and the MSM should to do their jobs. This Trump administration needs to be fact checked on everything, even the smallest of claims. The White House shouldn't be the single source on anything. It's easy to interview workers and others for their input on what transpired.

[hlthe2b]

37. Thank you. Some would have us accept what is being fed us without question.

To most of us, I'd dare say, that is to give in to this administration's tactics.

[FarPoint]

28. The Dayton Hospital Workers are tRumpsters...

I live in Dayton..The pictures above are NOT El Paso...all Dayton.

[hlthe2b]

32. I labeled them as Dayton in the OP

[blueinredohio]

6. Did they come with their own scrubs?

I hope if anyone finds out who they are that it is posted here and spread far and wide.

[Buns_of_Fire]

7. I wish someone would duct-tape his damned thumbs.

Preferably, the left one to his right foot and the right one to his nose.

Hey, everyone! Donald's here! The life of the party!

[Timmygoat]

11. One more thing

He is so busy making fun of peoples names - like Beto. Perhaps he should be called by his real name Herr Drumpf, his father changed his name to sound American.

[TNNurse]

10. Please update us with sources.

I would love to share this info, but it is early and this is the internet.

[hlthe2b]

12. Post #8

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. If I were you I would edit out the Dayton claim for now

At least until it’s corroborated with an actual source.

[hlthe2b]

17. I already responded to you for the last time.

[CincyDem]

22. In absence of clear data, my money is on this being a real photo...

...sure, we know they're obsessed with optics and have casted rallies/events in the past but I know this area. We're talking about Dayton. The city core is strong dem but the surrounding areas are pretty hard core republican.

I happened to be up at dayton airport early in the campaign when coincidentally trump (in his branded plane) was landing. You would have thought god himself was arriving given the reaction of people in the airport. Now I know not everyone in the airport was from dayton and there was still some novelty effect of his candidacy but still - the "energy" was palpable.

So when I see this pic, my first reaction is "forget it jake, this is dayton" (ref: Jack Nicholson's Chinatown).

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. You could go to San Francisco and find plenty of Trump supporters ther.

Even if it seems like a small minority, that doesn’t mean it’s non existent by any means.

[True Blue American]

34. The immediate Dayton area is Democratic. The suburbs

Are Republican. I have lived in enough areas to know.

Nan Whaley is a strong Democrat, who has performed almost miracles to bring the Dayton area back. I have lived through it all, watched how the Trump team treated Sherryl McHenry amd listened closely.

I say the pictures are fake! Except for a few of the patients. Sherrod Brown and Nan Whaley were in that hospital with Trump! Do you see them in one picture?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

42. Managed, but not staged.

If you ever have the chance, read up on Vladislav Surkov, one of Putin’s closest associates. He specializes in “managing” truth, which means mixing truth with fiction to the point it’s indistinguishable.

[Celerity]

71. Non-linear warfare

[cwydro]

78. Yeah, I'm not buying this.

The employees clearly are shown with IDs, which anyone would be able to show if they’re employees or not.

[kacekwl]

19. You have got to be kidding me.

Please make it so. This is so sick.

[GoCubsGo]

26. Not buying that they weren't employees of the hospital.

I would bet they were brought in from units that don't handle gunshot victims, however. Him mugging in front of the camera with them is just despicable.

[Celerity]

40. +10000

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212359829#post38

[duforsure]

29. Once again we find out this was just another PR stunt for him

Nothing else, and especially not about the victims. This is just another complete PR disaster showing him as a self centered childish imbecile desperate for attention, and wanting to promote more lies , while attacking others. A total failure again, but expected. People are running from this evil person.

[spanone]

30. No surprise from the most corrupt administration. ever

it’s all about optics...’reality teevee’

[Gothmog]

31. This was a staged event

[True Blue American]

39. Yes,it was,from beginning to end

And we paid for it!

[Traildogbob]

76. 💰💰💰💰💰💰

We paid for his weekend of golf while people die in shootings, we pay for a staged campaign photo op while flying north to south, and now, he is going to take a 10 day vacation in the Hamptons. Never worked a day, just charges us to tweet and travel. No work to do, the country and world is fine.

[Iliyah]

60. Ditto

[Celerity]

38. took me 5 minutes to debunk (they're real employees) whole thing sounds like the 'crisis actors'

shit that the RWNJ's push.

look at that Twitter account too, has 'bot' written all over it

it's following 14 thousand accounts (most of which look fake too, so it has a feedback loop), 99% of its activity is retweets, and it uses incorrect English syntax




anyway.....

woman on the right



sames as on the left

[hlthe2b]

41. As I clearly stated:

It remains POSSIBLE these were staff members from another unit or shift, workers at an associated hospital or more senior administrative staff and not actors or other more malign explanations, so this part is rumour at this point. Hospitals administrators are all about PR, afterall).

You have likely proven that she was not an actual health care worker involved with the patient care, which WOULD be consistent with staff members not recognizing them as such , but rather an administrative PR person, given your second photo with the check.

BTW, if you are convinced that twitter feed reflects a bot account, you should report it to twitter

[Tommy_Carcetti]

43. At this point I would really edit out the Dayton claim

It hurts the legitimate and supported claim from the Washington Post.

[hlthe2b]

44. You continue to argue and I told you to ignore. I have every right to post and have provided every

appropriate qualifier. Apparently, you feel it important to argue for arguments' sake, despite my being responsive to your concerns. So, please continue to talk to yourself as it is obvious that having the last word is important to your very essence and self-esteem. Heaven knows I don't want to deprive you of that.

If you think I have broken some rule with this post, then PLEASE DO REPORT ME! Please. Let's see if fellow Duers or admins believe so.

[Celerity]

48. Twitter allows bots (as long as they follow their automation rules)

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-automation

Unless that account is using malicious and abusive techniques, it may well be allowed.

2/3rds of all Tweets are by bots. (A LOT of porn, quelle surprise, lol)

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/article/2141038/how-bots-rule-twitter-two-thirds-tweets-posted-automated-accounts-study

Academic study:

http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~sfarooqi/Files/Farooqi-AbusiveTwitterApplications.pdf

Twitter is a cesspool overall, IMHO.

[58Sunliner]

53. She is probably management. Top tier presidents of the corp and hospital were there.

Which means managers and were also.The white guy in the photo holding the check looks like he is right behind DT as well. He looks like the president of the hospital. Sorry-you didn't debunk anything.

[Celerity]

64. As if they would have multiple staff in on a 'fake' event that literally involved 'fake employees'

used as actors/props (which is what the Twitter account and the OP are claiming.)

Sorry, that does not remotely pass the smell test. It would open up the hospital to complete discrediting. Also, multiple 'real' nurses, real employees would have called bullshit by now. This entire thing is based off a Tweet by an anonymous account pushing a dodgy conspiracy theory.

[hlthe2b]

68. You constantly ignore my clearly stated possibility these were workers from another unit, shift or

associated hospital. That some of them were hospital administration is not unexpected. They are all about PR, after all. But this does nothing to prove or disprove that the photo may reflect a staged event with workers not reflecting the actual care-givers.

My sister works in a large ED for a very well known large chain of hospitals and this happens all the time. It infuriates the actual care-givers because they often are doing it to reap benefit from celebrity patients purely for PR value and frequently do so while interfering with ACTUAL patient care. When this happens they do complain--given THEIR concern is for patient care-- and it is hardly beyond the realm that others including media hear about it.

[Celerity]

69. I am only addressing the claim (that is now being run with on other threads) that they are 'fake'

employees and/or paid actors. That is what the Twitter account is pushing.

Obviously some senior staff would show up, and also it stands to reason that pro-Rump workers at the hospital would flock to the orange bloat.

I am not ignoring anything. I am applying Occam's razor and also discernment. I leave anonymously-pushed, (and backed up with nothing of concrete evidence) Twitter conspiracy theories for others to choose to buy into.

Show me concrete evidence I am wrong on this (the actors/non employees theory) and I will issue a profound mea culpa.

[cwydro]

79. Thank you.

This is so not believable.

[octoberlib]

47. Trump filmed a campaign video in the hospital.

Those bottom pictures look like stills from it.

[58Sunliner]

49. It was reported that the top management was there as well.

Accompanying the president during his stop at Miami Valley Hospital were Mary Boosalis, president of Premier Health; Mike Uhl, president of Miami Valley Hospital; and Mikki Clancy, chief operating officer of Miami Valley Hospital. CYA.

[hlthe2b]

50. They weren't the ones wearing scrubs, which are the staff members being questioned

as representing or insinuating as representing 'treating' health care staff.

PR is important to admin, so my best guess is they gathered willing employees from outside the ICU/ED or perhaps another associated hospital.

Something many chain hospital administrators do for stage-managed PR photos.

[58Sunliner]

59. Well, the photo in a post above shows a guy who looks like the hospital president. I could be wrong.

Are there other photos with the top managers separate?

[hlthe2b]

62. We'll have to wait and see. I do believe the truth will come out.

My sister works in the ER at a mega-hospital chain that does this kind of thing and actual staff frequently let the press know when they feel they've been mislead.

[58Sunliner]

65. Mike Uhl.

[cwydro]

82. Which "mega-chain?"

And please show the links where press has been notified about misleading photos.

[hlthe2b]

84. I should accede to your DEMANDS so that you can, what? Dox my sister and try to get her fired?

for revealing what is commonplace in her >30 years of ER nursing at her own hospital and its associated hospitals-- that only underscores that hospitals rely on PR and frequently rely on it in their competitive market?

Trump and his ilk have registered more than 10,000 blatant lies, but I am the one you attack and accuse of misleading you? Really?

Here is my statement. There is nothing inappropriate nor deceptive about it:

NOTE: It remains POSSIBLE these were staff members from another unit or shift, workers at an associated hospital or more senior administrative staff and not actors or other more malign explanations, so this part is rumour at this point. Hospitals administrators are all about PR, after all.

But, please continue with your credulous assessment of all Trump feeds you. Perhaps other sites may be more in keeping with your willingness to believe him at face value and without question.

[obamanut2012]

52. That is also really bad for patient care

Especially after such a traumatic event. I would sue the hospital.

ALL white patients, too...

[OilemFirchen]

55. As I stated above, as of yesterday there were only three patients remaining.

All are white. One, I believe, is not pictured.

[dawnie51]

58. It's all Holllywood.....

scripted, a scene, a bit..... All about how it LOOKS, with Dump playing leading actor. Pay for extras, there's always someone willing to do anything for $50.

[DeminPennswoods]

63. O'Donnell said last night that he wasn't

showing or reporting on Trump's stops because absolutely no news was made since no reporters were allowed in. He said the video was from the WH only and it most likely will be made into a campaign video or campaign ad. He basically said these visits were campaign stops for Trump.

Nan Whaley said everyone was getting along until Trump decided to come, then people started to split into pro- and anti-Trump groups. She said she was glad Trump did not go to the Oregon District because there were a lot of people on both sides and the potential for confrontations was high.

[exboyfil]

67. Did they prevent family members from videoing

If so filming that encounter would be a great ad in itself.

[True Blue American]

87. Have not seen any

But if Sheryl McHenry was made to wait in an empty room what else was it?

Sherrod and Nan were there in the Hospital with Trump. See them in any picture?

Then Trump tweeted lies about them.

Does anyone remember how Trump treated the San Juan Mayor because she spoke out? She had been wading in waist deep water. But he loved the Governor. You know, the guy who was just forced to resign?

The paper towels were thrown to Reporters. Trump refused to let the Mayor speak, although every one else did.

Trumps life is a fake Reality show with nothing behind the Facade.

[exboyfil]

66. I would just love to get a visit from the President

Family members get your phones ready to send immediately to the cloud.

[Soph0571]

72. It was a wonderful visit!!!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

80. Deleted due to the speculation factor.

Deleted due to the speculation factor.

[Farmer-Rick]

86. Yup, they are people of some kind surrounding Traitor Trump

That is as far as I would go when describing the crowd around him.

You can not blithely believe anything Taitor Trump, his Slovenian sex worker, or his toady minions in government have to say. They have no association with the Truth.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt by believing the photo as not rigged until absolute evidence is carefully dug up, will perpetuate the lie and hide the truth.

Doubt everything coming out of Trump world. Doubt it all until evidence proves it true and Not before.

[pangaia]

83. How in the world could somebody who cares enough about people to be a nurse,

support this monster?

[nini]

89. Money

Nursing pays well and not all of them do it out of the kindness of their heart.

I've worked in a hospital before and believe me there were some real jerks doing nursing jobs.

[pangaia]

90. I believe. I guess I w as asking a rather reetorikle question...

I mean, my dentist is a republican !!

I have no intention of asking him for whom he voted.


he is very good.. and very expensive......

[nini]

88. oh I'm sure there were plenty of Magats that work there

Sad to say.

The real problem is him making this whole thing a 'rally'. It ALWAYS has to be about him.

[Vinca]

92. OMG - you REALLY can't make this shit up.

Wonder how much "hourly Trump worshipper" pays.

[SweetieD]

93. It wouldn't be hard to find Trump supporters working on a medical staff at that hospital

or around Dayton.

They may not work on that unit, but I bet Trump or the hospital did put a call out to ask if anyone who wanted to meet him to be there.

I find this behavior reprehensible.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

94. That is entirely believable.

If Trump's advance team somehow was able to poll hospital workers and see which ones actually wanted to be photographed with him.

Could have been something like, I don't know, 25 out of 500, but all that was needed was to fill up a picture frame to make him look like a "rock star."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

95. Could have been bad for their recovery if they did.