Jeffrey Epstein could have committed suicide, however.....

[guillaumeb]

This almost seems too convenient in that there are reports that Epstein had many rich, powerful, and connected friends, including the person currently infesting the White House.

One question of course would be, what of these reputed sex tapes that were seized?

And if one does not believe in coincidence, and feels that this claimed suicide is too convenient, there was the example of the DC Madam:

‘D.C. Madam’ Is Found Dead, Apparently in a Suicide

A woman convicted two weeks ago of running a Washington call-girl ring that catered to the capital’s power elite was found dead here Thursday, and the authorities said she had apparently hanged herself.
The body of the woman, Deborah Jeane Palfrey, 52, was found in a shed at her mother’s home here about 20 miles northwest of Tampa. The police said Ms. Palfrey had left a notebook containing at least two suicide notes and other messages to her family, but they did not give additional details.
Ms. Palfrey, who had quickly become known as the D.C. Madam when the case against her began unfolding, apparently hanged herself from the shed’s ceiling with nylon rope, the police said. Her mother, Blanche Palfrey, discovered the body.
Blanche Palfrey had no sign that her daughter was suicidal, and there was no immediate indication that alcohol or drugs were involved, Capt. Jeffrey Young of the Tarpon Springs Police Department said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/02/washington/02madam.html?_r=0

[guillaumeb]

1. Also, we have the repeated examples of people that Putin dislikes who who happen to die

of a variety of causes.

[ProudLib72]

26. Of course that was my first thought

Copying Putin, the one whom the orange shitstain admires so much.

The worst thing about this is that we do not have anyone who is trustworthy enough to investigate. It could be ten years from now before we learn the truth we already suspect.

[malaise]

2. I remember that well

Where is diaper Vitter these days?

[guillaumeb]

3. I am glad you asked that malaise.

Former Senator Vitter among foreign agents paid to ease sanctions on Russian oligarch’s firm

Foreign agents running a lobbying and influence operation to ease U.S. sanctions on companies tied to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska were paid $543,958 over the past six months, according to newly released Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) disclosures made available through the Center for Responsive Politics’ Foreign Lobby Watch tool.

In May 2018, Lord Gregory Barker of Battle, a member of the British House of Lords and chairman of En+ Group — a Russian energy company formerly controlled by Deripaska — inked a six-figure-per-month contract with Mercury Public Affairs to lobby for the removal of U.S. sanctions imposed for Deripaska’s role in Russian interference in the 2016 election. Barker has paid the firm more than $650,000 since May.

At the crux of the operation is former Sen. David Vitter (R-La.), who left the Senate in 2017 and quickly entered the revolving door. Despite a two-year “cooling off” period that restricts Senators from immediately lobbying their colleagues under the Lobbying Disclosure Act, Vitter is still able to lobby other key figures in the Trump administration.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/01/senator-david-vitter-among-foreign-agents-sanctions-on-russian-oligarch/

[malaise]

11. Oh My!

They are all for sale

[guillaumeb]

12. And they are not cheap either.

They are crooks. Trump is not an exception in the GOP, he is the norm and a normal example of the group.


Think about the Vitter-McConnell connection as well.

They are all whores.

[Hotler]

25. And Danny Casolaro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro. A different time but....
Joseph Daniel Casolaro (June 16, 1947 – August 10, 1991) was an American freelance writer who came to public attention in 1991 when he was found dead in a bathtub in room 517 of the Sheraton Hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia, his wrists slashed 10–12 times. The medical examiner ruled the death a suicide.[1]

Casolaro's family argued that he had been murdered; that before he left for Martinsburg, he had apparently told his brother that he had been frequently receiving harassing phone calls late at night; that some of them were threatening; and that if something were to happen to him while in Martinsburg, it would not be an accident.

[triron]

33. Well, that is interesting, isn't it?

[Wednesdays]

36. 28 years ago today

[Mc Mike]

44. Wendy Vitter, tRump-appointed Federal District Court Judge.

Took office 2 months ago.

She's a strong family values Judge.

[rzemanfl]

4. Tarpon Springs is right up the highway from me. n/t

[guillaumeb]

5. 6 degrees of separation?

[rzemanfl]

9. No, about seven miles north.

Six degrees would be up around Atlanta.

[guillaumeb]

10. Nicely done. eom

[rzemanfl]

13. Thanks. n/t

[Mike 03]

6. This is a huge issue.

If anything happens to those seized photographs and DVDs from Epstein's safe, that would dramatically change my opinion about what may have happened today. That is why it is so important that the Epstein victims' attorneys sue for access to (copies of) the content of that safe as should be their right in executing civil litigation against the estate of Jeffrey Epstein and (hopefully, eventually) Ms. Maxwell.

The biggest red flag I can think of that this isn't suicide is if evidence suddenly goes missing.

[guillaumeb]

7. Agreed.

A mysterious fire would certainly look bad.

And I am not alleging that this apparent suicide was not a suicide, but the case of the DC Madam made any further testimony from the Madam impossible.

Like Epstein, she knew a lot of damaging things about a lot of powerful figures.

[Mike 03]

8. Yes, it is a perfect day to bring that case up.

Extremely relevant (and chilling).

[Captain Zero]

34. I thought there already was a fire on his island

lately. Pretty big.

[lapfog_1]

38. yes, there was... and apparently centered around

his "Egyptian temple" building...

Not sure what he was doing there with his underage girls from all over the planet (many imported from Russia and Eastern Europe)... but there have been a lot of "Eyes Wide Shut" sort of rumors.

[rzemanfl]

14. All Barr has to say is the evidence is property of the estate.

The probate will take years.

Sad, but true in my opinion.

[guillaumeb]

20. But is there also a criminal case against Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell?

One would think that would be the next step for the prosecutors.

[rzemanfl]

24. To the extent the evidence relates to her case I suppose

it could be subpoenaed. How that relationship would be established as to each item is problematic.

[BamaRefugee]

37. I would bet the evidence was already gathered up before putting out the OK to do the hit.

[Duppers]

15. K & R

[ashredux]

16. Makes me think House of Cards was actually a documentary

[MadDAsHell]

17. This is US politics. Politicians' reputations are threatened, people die.

Its as old as the Constitution.

[pnwmom]

18. And let's not forget Peter Smith's oddly convenient suicide.

This Peter Smith.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/peter-smiths-search-hillary-clintons-emails-subplot-thickens

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/details-emerge-in-suicide-of-gop-activist-peter-w-smith-who-sought-hillary-clinton-emails-2017-07-15

WASHINGTON—Peter W. Smith, a Republican political activist and financier from Chicago who mounted an effort to obtain former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails from Russian hackers, died on May 14 after asphyxiating himself in a hotel room in Rochester, Minn., according to local authorities. He was 81 years old.

Smith’s body was found by a hotel clerk in the Aspen Suites hotel, located across the street from the Mayo Clinic, according to a Rochester Police Department report. An associate of Smith said that he had recently visited the clinic. A representative for the facility wouldn’t confirm if Smith was a patient.

Smith died about 10 days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal in which he recounted his attempts to acquire what he believed were thousands of emails stolen from Clinton’s private email server. He implied that Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, then serving as the senior national security adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, was aware of his efforts.

[guillaumeb]

21. Yet another convenient* suicide?

*Convenient for those who might have been exposed.

Almost Putinesque, is it not?

The simplest explanation is that Epstein had been suicidal, and the Federal indictment and refusal of bail showed him a future in a prison.

But we can speculate.

[pnwmom]

23. I think he very likely did kill himself. HOWEVER they made it much much easier

when they took him off suicide watch. He had already attempted suicide once in that same unit, and they put him back there

[dflprincess]

27. And Dorothy Kilgallen

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(maybe best remembered for being a panelist on "What's My Line" )

She was a reporter who claimed in September of 1965 she was going to "blow the lid" off the JFK assassination. She was found dead in her bed on November 8, 1965 from an apparent overdose of alcohol and drugs. Supposedly, not long before her death, the FBI questioned her (remember J. Edgar was still in charge) & she told them she would rather die than reveal her sources.

This links to a overly dramatic ad for a book written about her, but it does give a little information about why some found her death suspicious.

https://www.thereporterwhoknewtoomuch.com/

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

31. The fact that she claimed she was going to

"blow the lid" off the JFK assassination means absolutely nothing. Lots of times people claim to have information that they don't have. Kilgallen played a deadly game with alcohol and drugs. And she lost.

[mr_lebowski]

39. Even if she didn't have any such info, that would probably be irrelevant ...

If people thought she DID ... who didn't want anyone to tell the real story ... that would be what was important.

Obviously not saying I think one thing or the other about her death, I've not researched it.

But if someone was going to whack you over information you SAY you have ... it may not matter whether you really do or not ...

Just sayin'

[Mc Mike]

45. I've never had a strong disagreement with your posts before, Poind.

Definitely disagree, respectfully, with the deadly game of alcohol and drugs take.

The martini sig icon next to that sentence doesn't help it go down any easier. Ironic.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

48. I've had that icon since I started here,

and I'm genuinely sorry it made my post seem something it wasn't.

[Mc Mike]

50. I find no fault with your icon, or with any other post of yours I've ever read.

Found it ironic, in light of my respectful disagreement of your assessment of Kilgallen's death and autopsy. Or the death of her friend afterwards.

[SayItLoud]

19. The Russian kompromat on tRUMP

Doesn't have anything to do with $$, PP tapes, tRUMP Tower, Russian investments, his taxes, his indebtedness; but sex tapes of tRUMP with underage children, now that's something to sweat about. Remember tRUMP has already admitted to walking in on half dressed young girls at his beauty pageants.

[guillaumeb]

22. So the "p" in p tapes refers to pedophilia?

Not inconceivable. He is a horrible human being, and one who has spoken inappropriately of his own daughter.

[madinmaryland]

49. It would not surprise me at all if it turns out that tRump fucked his own daughter when she was 13.

[mr_lebowski]

40. Point of fact, Trump admitted to walking into Miss USA dressing rooms ... not Teen USA ones

Shortly after that Stern interview where he said he could 'check the merchandise' at the Miss USA pageant became known, he was also accused of walking into Miss Teen USA dressing rooms by a couple of credible contestants ... but he's never admitted to doing that ... I think the fact that the two news stories came out around the same time has lead many to conflate the two.

Just sayin' ...

[Pisces]

28. A lot of threads trying to dissuade opinion on Epstein. This seems

Suspicious. Anyone with a brain is going to think about it.

[leftstreet]

29. It's reflexive conditioning to protect the elite

I don't fault anyone for it, we're all taught to worship and protect the elite

NO ONE would consider it a 'conspiracy theory' if they heard a low level drug runner agreed to turn states evidence and wound up dead

No one

[Pisces]

30. There are 5 threads on why people believe it was just suicide.

Seems like someone is trying to shape public perception. Paid posters maybe.

[leftstreet]

32. It always happens

But yeah, kinda weird...

[mr_lebowski]

41. I promise you I'm not paid ... I think it's MORE LIKELY he killed himself ...

But not totally unfathomable he was whacked. I definitely do NOT think he was shuffled to the Caymans to get a new face lol ...

I also wouldn't be surprised if the tools weren't conveniently left around for him to do so, and that the suicide watch was lifted to make it possible.

So where do I fall in the spectrum?

Am I Suitably Paranoid, or Russian Shill Poster?

Just askin'

[Pisces]

47. At least you're allowing for foul play. I saw too many threads yesterday trying to convince people

That he just killed himself, nothing to else to see here. Seemed coordinated to me. Muddy the waters. Just pointing out what I saw, same as the observation of how convenient Epstein’s death is for many powerful poeople.

[diva77]

35. similar to the question of Lady Di's death... considering Prince Andrew was one of the names

associated with Epstein -- this "suicide" mystery has more suspects than Agatha Christie's oeuvre.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

42. Really?

The bullshit that Princess Diana was somehow murdered is beyond ludicrous. For one thing, you have to overlook the fact that her driver was quite drunk, and then think that he was willing to commit suicide to kill her, which wouldn't have been guaranteed in any case.

[diva77]

43. was merely pointing out that both deaths raise lots of questions

I have no definitive conclusions

[Mc Mike]

46. Wait, now you're blaming the Lady Di hit on a drunk driver? Not the swarm of Murdoch paparrazzis?

DeNiro got busted for 'prostitute solicitation' while filming that tunnel chase scene for Ronin. Odd.

Do Jessica Savitch next.

[mitch96]

51. Oh THAT Oleg Derapaska

Vitter, running a lobbying and influence operation to ease U.S. sanctions on companies tied to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska were paid $543,958 over the past six months.
The Oleg Deripaska that just opened a aluminum plant in Moscow Mitch's district in KY?
The Vitter that Moscow Mitch just fast tracked his wife into a permanent judge position?
That Derapaska?? This shit just stinks of pay to play politics.....
m

[guillaumeb]

52. Yes, THAT Derapaska.

Quid pro quo is the GOP motto.

[mitch96]

53. To think an AMERICAN senator would our undermine our ability to fend off a hostil power

Is totally revolting and treasonous He should rot in his own worst hell...
m