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Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:44 PM

8% of prisoner suicides occur under suicide watch - US Marshals


For those on DU who believe in the magical power of suicide prevention measures... from a US Marshals suicide training presentation:

https://www.usmarshals.gov/prisoner/2014%20Suicide%20Prevention%20Training.pdf

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Reply 8% of prisoner suicides occur under suicide watch - US Marshals (Original post)
jberryhill Aug 2019 OP
hlthe2b Aug 2019 #1
dsc Aug 2019 #2
RockRaven Aug 2019 #3
live love laugh Aug 2019 #4
jberryhill Aug 2019 #6
live love laugh Aug 2019 #7
live love laugh Aug 2019 #8
onenote Aug 2019 #9
live love laugh Aug 2019 #13
jberryhill Aug 2019 #11
live love laugh Aug 2019 #14
WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #5
DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #10
leftstreet Aug 2019 #12
ZZenith Aug 2019 #16
hunter Aug 2019 #15
jberryhill Aug 2019 #18
hunter Aug 2019 #20
jberryhill Aug 2019 #21
hunter Aug 2019 #23
customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #17
jberryhill Aug 2019 #19
LanternWaste Aug 2019 #22

Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:54 PM

1. That data is NOT specific only to Federal facilities and jails have suicide rates more than 3 1/2 x

that of Federal facilities. The latter rate is 10 per 100,000.

All one can really say is that suicide prevention is not and likely can never be 100% effective.

That said, there is nothing about this data that either explains nor excuses what is already coming to light in terms of the MCC staff negligence.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:04 PM

2. This wouldn't be a huge surprise

nothing is 100% effective, but that said, removing him from suicide watch was remarkably irresponsible.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:07 PM

3. So 92% don't... Remind us, was Epstein under suicide watch?

And were DOJ policies being scrupulously followed in light of his first apparent attempt?

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:09 PM

4. I'm curious as to what methods the 8% used -- and

Iím betting hanging is rare.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:21 PM

6. You are obviously not curious enough to click on the link and read, though


Because 93% of prison suicides are hanging, with 30% tied to the bed or bunk.

These statistics are literally one mouse click away from you.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:23 PM

7. Okay thanks. nt

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:28 PM

8. The data is suspect to me in that it's pretty much DOJ info ...

and the DOJ is under siege.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:07 PM

9. The DOJ was under siege in 2014 when this data was compiled?

Tell us more...

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Response to onenote (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:15 AM

13. Obviously I didn't read the link and made a bad assumption.

Now that I know the facts I see how my comments
appear.

Hey Iím human. 🤷‍♀️ Thanks.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:34 PM

11. So you don't trust Obama's DoJ either?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:15 AM

14. Please read my comment above thanks. nt

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:09 PM

5. Our incarceration system is a garbage fire and why people think it "works" is beyond me.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:10 PM

10. of the 4 traits of most "at risk"

Epstein hit 3 (pre-trial status, restrictive housing unit, sex offense).

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

12. Amazing he didn't hang himself back in 2008

or thereabouts when he was arrested

He would have hit all 3 of those back then also

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:34 AM

16. He knew he was going to get off easy.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:23 AM

15. I wonder how that compares to locked psych wards.

From my own locked psych ward experience I couldn't even catch a few moments peace sitting on the toilet.

There were cameras everywhere, and also an alarm on the bed that alerted staff the instant I got up.

Of course there were meds too, which I'm guessing they don't do so much in prison. If you can't sleep they give you a pill, and you do sleep.

I very soon discovered in order not to be disturbed my best bet was to be reading a book in full view of the nursing station.

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Response to hunter (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:58 AM

18. Well the intent there is more therapeutic than a prison

If you get my drift.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:47 AM

20. So "presumption of innocence" in the U.S.A. is bullshit.

This nation has never been what it claims to be.

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Response to hunter (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:56 AM

21. What are you talking about?

The presumption of innocence establishes the procedural burden of proof in a legal proceeding. It does not generally require anyone else to consider anybody to be innocent of anything.

Itís the prosecutors JOB to convince people the defendant is guilty. They donít do that by presuming anybody to be innocent as if it was some sort of universal personal directive.

And, duh, this nation has been in a long continuous process of attempting to become what it claims to be. What the fuck do you expect from starting out with a slaveowner going on about equality? Progress is a journey, not a destination.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:17 AM

23. I'm just saying if anyone is held against their will, even the most horrible people...

... we, as a society, ought to demand a certain standard of care.

People dying in prison, killed by others or dying by other preventable causes, is just another form of capital punishment.

Meanwhile in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik still lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

There's a lot of LIHOP shit in U.S.A. prisons. Beatings, rapes, and murders are not uncommon.

In a better world jail serves as a "time out" and prison serves to remove dangerous people from ordinary society.

"Punishment" and death should not be part of that equation.



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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:46 AM

17. Perhaps

But I'd venture to guess that over 99% of those suicides were nobodies.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:58 AM

19. Is pretty much everybody a nobody?

Youíre nobody till somebody loves you.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:00 AM

22. Hence, 92% do not.

(it's great fun to pretend people who makes guesses that don't align with your guesses are magical wizards... grade-school petulance of course, but I've confidence you'll convince yourself the pretense is something less embarrassing than that)

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