If you're supporting "Jeffrey Epstein was murdered" theories. Donald Trump thanks you...

[brooklynite]

It doesn't matter if you want to argue that Trump, or his friends, or other wealthy and powerful people (unknown) did in Epstein. By espousing theories like this with no actual evidence (besides "we all know he would" assertions), you're contributing to an atmosphere where facts and evidence don't matter, and any official statement should be automatically disregarded. Trump thrives in this environment. Your assertion won't change any minds, it'll just reinforce an atmosphere of distrust and conflict, and when more solid evidence emerges, it'll be the more easily disregarded. And Trump will thank you for that.

[UniteFightBack]

1. He also thanks everybody for the non stop bashing of the media. nt

[real Cannabis calm]

26. Everyone doesn't bash media; but Dump does; and he had Epstein killed.

Dump hates the truth; and my signature line says it all.

[ElementaryPenguin]

41. I agree. Trump's confession was his projection on the Clintons through the retweet.

Of this I have little doubt.

The strongest evidence of the Trump collusion with Russia was Trump's incessant "there was no collusion, no collusion" refrain.

The orange creature is constitutionally incapable of telling the truth that many times.

I'm sure he did have Epstein murdered - Barr planning it along with him.

[Hoyt]

2. We really are in an era where facts/logic don't matter to many. trump exploits that daily.

[SCantiGOP]

3. Well said, brooklynite

And 100% correct.

[leftstreet]

4. Oh FFS

Has DU gone nutz?

If a drug dealer or street thug turned states evidence, then wound up dead on the street, NO ONE would consider it a CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!11 if speculations ran to murder

For fucksakes!

Enough with the elite worship/protection

[crazytown]

9. Maybe you remember the LIHOP / MIHOP controversy

surrounding 911 which degenerated into the Feds/Chaney did it with explosives. Ain't nothing new.

[brush]

23. Calling it an unassisted death is a conspiracy theory to most sentient beings.

Please!

People are not stupid. He had to die because of the incendiary info he had on too many rich and powerful people.

[radius777]

5. Trump thanks people who play by the old rules while

while he plays by the new rules.

It's no conspiracy theory to look at the facts:

-Epstein died under Barr/DOJ's watch.
-Barr refused to recuse himself from the Esptein case.
-Barr is a longtime GOP fixer/stooge who would do anything to prevent info coming out that could damage Trump/GOP in 2020.
-Trump blaming the Clintons (who have little to do w/Epstein and nothing to gain) is his standard 'projection deflection' Trump does when he's running scared.
-Trump as a private citizen freely chose to socialize with Epstein knowing full well what he was about.

We need a full, thorough and independent investigation; anything else won't quiet speculation from the public (nor should it).

[Ponietz]

32. I just want to know who ordered Epstein removed from suicide watch

That order came from a person with authority.

[empedocles]

53. The chain that such an order traveled along needs to be exposed

[Locrian]

43. and it's not conspiracy to think that powerful people had a MASSIVE motive here

Based on what lazy, or questionable procedures - it also looks like opportunity

[Butterflylady]

51. You forgot Barr

Visited that jail when he really didn't have to.

[Meadowoak]

55. Epstein had dirt on Barr, and most likely, Barr's father too.

[elevator48]

6. Give it a rest wilya?

Most people aren't asserting anything. They are just pointing out a lot of "facts" surrounding the event that leave a lot of questions unanswered.

[whathehell]

31. Exactly -- It's too early to know,, one way or another.

and I don't care who thanks me for that.

[malaise]

47. Ditto

People are rightly suspicious because just like the Mueller Report, both the Con and Barr put out alternative versions...and the rest is history

[pbmus]

7. How's that 'waiting for facts before we impeach' thing going.?

Muellers team works for almost 2 years and we still are reading the Barr report..

We are in a fight against nihilism and republicans are anarchists.

Waiting for facts that will never see the light of day....breeds conspiracy theories

[customerserviceguy]

8. Thank you

Just because some of us feel that there are questions to be answered doesn't mean we're playing into Trump's game.

[Aussie105]

10. It's a non story

Epstein died - Fact with 95% probability of being accurate.

Someone else 'suicided' him. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Barr strangled him personally. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Trump strangled him personally. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Guards were bribed to look the other way. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Clintons killed him. (You got to be joking, right? Not worth reading or repeating, unless you live in cloud coo coo land.)

He is dead, forget him. Look at the evidence before the courts instead. Look for co-conspirators, and those who benefitted.

In defense of the conspiracy theorists though, conspiracy theories always grow in the absence of clear facts.
That is what Trump thrives on. And the GOP looks on and smiles.

[pbmus]

11. The Con thrives on bullshit and faux friends and twitter...

And the anarchists look on and smile...

[reACTIONary]

22. +100

[uponit7771]

12. Isn't this gaslighting!?!? Trump would murder Epstein on 5th ave and not give a damn about

... what stinky poor people thought about it.

Bullshit, anything goes with this admin ... if you can think of it then they did it ... PERIOD.

shit,

They run concentration camps and kill and sexually abuse kids they kidnapped from migrants and people still give them the benefit of the doubt

[smirkymonkey]

16. +1000

Thank YOU!

[proActivist]

17. No its not gas lighting,

it's common sense.

The inane, kooky conspiracy theories that are being propagated aren't helping to elect democrats or to advance progressive policies.

Quite the opposite, they advance the cultural and political decadence at the core of the hysterical dumpster deploiables.

[uponit7771]

48. Yes it is, common sense states with common knowledge and what I posted about red Don is

... commonly known about him; he's horrible and don't trust a damn thing they say

[proActivist]

49. When people accept hyperbole and

hysterical innuendo as "common knowledge" and fact, they (and those associated with them) lose credibility and are easily dismissed as being on the fringe. This does not help us, or our cause.

[brush]

28. Yep, it's a conspiracy theory to those who think that it was an unassisted death.

[empedocles]

54. Yes

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. He also thanks

anybody promoting more Clinton murder conspiracy theories because then we're talking about Hillary again and not Trump. Oddly enough, I'm hearing more of the Clinton conspiracy theories more from people I know whom are more on the left/indy side of the spectrum than those on the right. When I've challenged them, they bring up all of the right-wing Clinton stuff produced in the 1990's. Even pointing out how heavily investigated the Clintons were throughout all of the 1990's and, again in the 2010's and how all of the Clinton "murder" stories were never considered more than a fringe obsession of some on the right, it doesn't seem to matter. Of course, the major problem with all conspiracy theories is that they seem to be self-reinforcing. They're impossible to disprove and the absence of evidence is always attributable to the conspiracy and some mysterious people or forces covering it up so that nobody can get to the proof.

[emmaverybo]

25. In a nutshell, the infuriating irony...the truth will never set conspiracy theorists free. It is

what you said:

“Of course, the major problem with all conspiracy theories is that they seem to be self-reinforcing. They're impossible to disprove and the absence of evidence is always attributable to the conspiracy and some mysterious people or forces covering it up so that nobody can get to the proof.”

[radius777]

33. the alt-left and alt-right both are white identity

politics and Clintons/Obama represent diversity politics which in their minds 'stole' the old white-centric Dem party from them.

That's the real reason for their strong dislike of Clintons/Obama/Dems, although they'll try to explain it in other ways.

[StarfishSaver]

37. Yes

And evidence disproving the conspiracy is also further proof of the existence of the conspiracy because it was planted or conjured up in order to make people THINK there was no conspiracy.

[AtheistCrusader]

14. We live in a time of distrust and conflict.

[bdamomma]

20. That is

what they are instilling into the psyche of Americans.


gaslighting (present participle)



manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

[GeorgeGist]

15. "I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters"

Trump thanks you for your confidence.

[proActivist]

18. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!

Let's focus on electing Democrats and supporting progressive, enlightenment values.

This country doesn't need any more of the sort of trash spread around by the dumpster deplorables and their ilk.

[bdamomma]

19. true true

a very interesting comment. Facts and evidence do matter.

[reACTIONary]

21. +10000!!!

[emmaverybo]

24. Said it all...perfectly.

[not_the_one]

27. I can think for myself, thank you.

And for the record, Clinton and Gore briefed W and Cheney during the transition on the fact that the #1 threat to the US was foreign terrorism.

W promptly "assigned" it to Cheney, who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, KNOWING that was our #1 threat.

PNAC was no conspiracy, it was real.

At the very least LIHOP was their strategy. They just had no clue exactly how bad the attack would be.

[LiberalLovinLug]

38. Yes exactly!

Just because time is passing, doesn't change the unexplained, gravity defying, and near impossible circumstantial events surrounding that fateful day.

To use 9/11 as some kind of base to argue against the existence of conspiracies at the highest levels is not credible.

[njhoneybadger]

29. Because nobody ever got whacked in jail

Bill Barr never covered anything up
Trump never projects
The evidence for suicide is bulletproof

[Jakes Progress]

46. + 100

[Act_of_Reparation]

56. Nobody ever committed suicide in jail, either, amirite?

[njhoneybadger]

58. Not many billionaires

[Act_of_Reparation]

59. You have an exhaustive list of jailbound billionaires by which to compare?

[njhoneybadger]

60. I'll leave that up to you

[Act_of_Reparation]

61. I'll file it under "To Do"...

...with all the other burden of proof abdications I've collected over the years.

[BlueTsunami2018]

30. Right, just buy the official story, no matter how cockeyed.

Of all the shady shit that has gone down in this country, this Epstein “official” story is the least believable.

Very few people are buying this one.

[Chemisse]

34. Believe whatever officials tell you. Trump will thank you for that too.

Facts and evidence will matter, once they are available to us, unfiltered. Official statements are only as reliable as the official making the statement (think Barr and the Mueller report).

[Joe941]

35. I'm sure glad no one on DU is pushing those kinds of theories.

[Johonny]

36. I sleep better at night knowing a blackmailers dirt on countless billionaires and politicians

rests in the hands of someone that respects the law and would never use it for personal gain, like Bill Barr.

Said no one ever.

[LiberalLovinLug]

39. "Trump thrives" in chaos but not if the chaos is coming straight at him

He reportedly said "I'm fucked" when he heard that the Mueller investigation was on. If Mueller had more balls and said screw it, its too important, I'm going to indict him for at least obstructing justice, and let them fight it out if a sitting President is eligible to be charged or not after that, maybe Donald would be fucked right now.

I hope there is a fair and untainted investigation. Even if its found out that Bill and Hillary along with an exposed "Deep State" secret all powerful sinister DNC controlled organization was behind it, in order to hide Bill's attendence in Jeffery's underage sex parties, and Hillary's child prostitution ring. Now I highly doubt that's what they'll find, and if there was a little suicide "encouragement" going on, I'd lay my bet down it was connected to forces working for the side that had him locked up and was responsible for his well being. The problem is if there could ever be a truly independent investigation.

[patphil]

40. I'm not ready to say he was murdered, but the official story as we know it now has a lot of holes.

There will be an investigation, and maybe we will get the truth, or maybe not.
Even in death, the investigation into his dealings with underage girls will continue.
In fact, it will be harder to stop since there is no one to object to it. The victims will seek restitution and Epstein had a lot of wealth.

Patrick Phillips

[mainer]

42. What about the "Epstein is alive and on a plane elsewhere" theory?

After his defense attorneys asked that he be taken off suicide watch (this part is true), Epstein was replaced by a look-alike dead body, which his brother helpfully identified at the morgue (this part is also true.) And then, having paid everyone off, Epstein flies away a free bird, has plastic surgery, and joins up with Ghislaine at whatever hidden location they've pre-arranged, perhaps some pretty tropical island in Thailand or the Philippines. Everyone else is a few million bucks richer.

Sometimes the plots just write themselves.

Someone should keep a close eye on the future lifestyles of the warden and the guards. If someone buys a Maserati or buys a nice house in Florida, that will be a freaking big tell.

[zackymilly]

44. Hmm..are YOU trying to steer us away from the truth? Don't you live in New York?

What do YOU know about this?

[Jakes Progress]

45. So your strategy is to let trump blame the Clintons

without any blowback?

Let him keep throwing out bombs with nothing coming in? I don't think you know how MSM and public awareness work today.

The Clintons didn't control the jail. The Justice Dept. did as a branch of trump's administration. The branch that wants to bring back Hillary's Emails, avoid investigating trump, lie about the Mueller report findings, and run a thousand shredders.

Yeah. Let's count on trump doing the right thing and the people using good judgement.

[gtar100]

50. If you support the official story, donald thanks you.

And you're contributing to an atmosphere where facts don't matter. Etc., etc.

When something smells like bullshit, like the official story, there's no obligation to buy it or take it at face value. Frankly, the burden of proof is on them to not just tell us some convenient story - like Epstein killed himself and it's the fault of some incompetent guards - but to give us proof if they want us to believe it. I'm not holding my breath for an official to give the public any type of proof but as long as it smells the way it does, I'm under no obligation to go along with it. No one is. And without it, all we, including you, have are ascertains to go on. Chastising people for speculating doesn't make the official story any more believable. But tRump thanks you.

[Butterflylady]

52. Perhaps then

We should call it " a convenient suicide"

[Baltimike]

57. binary thinking is stinking thinking. nt

[hatrack]

62. That's nice. Maybe now you can tell us about how the voting machines are perfectly safe

[brooklynite]

63. No, but I can tell you there's no evidence that votes were flipped and no candidate says they were..

[hatrack]

64. Buh-bye

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