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Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:36 PM

If you're supporting "Jeffrey Epstein was murdered" theories. Donald Trump thanks you...

It doesn't matter if you want to argue that Trump, or his friends, or other wealthy and powerful people (unknown) did in Epstein. By espousing theories like this with no actual evidence (besides "we all know he would" assertions), you're contributing to an atmosphere where facts and evidence don't matter, and any official statement should be automatically disregarded. Trump thrives in this environment. Your assertion won't change any minds, it'll just reinforce an atmosphere of distrust and conflict, and when more solid evidence emerges, it'll be the more easily disregarded. And Trump will thank you for that.

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Reply If you're supporting "Jeffrey Epstein was murdered" theories. Donald Trump thanks you... (Original post)
brooklynite Sunday OP
UniteFightBack Sunday #1
real Cannabis calm Monday #26
ElementaryPenguin Tuesday #41
Hoyt Sunday #2
SCantiGOP Sunday #3
leftstreet Sunday #4
crazytown Monday #9
brush Monday #23
radius777 Sunday #5
Ponietz Tuesday #32
empedocles Wednesday #53
Locrian Tuesday #43
Butterflylady Wednesday #51
Meadowoak Wednesday #55
elevator48 Monday #6
whathehell Monday #31
malaise Tuesday #47
pbmus Monday #7
customerserviceguy Monday #8
Aussie105 Monday #10
pbmus Monday #11
reACTIONary Monday #22
uponit7771 Monday #12
smirkymonkey Monday #16
proActivist Monday #17
uponit7771 Tuesday #48
proActivist Tuesday #49
brush Monday #28
empedocles Wednesday #54
Proud Liberal Dem Monday #13
emmaverybo Monday #25
radius777 Tuesday #33
StarfishSaver Tuesday #37
AtheistCrusader Monday #14
bdamomma Monday #20
GeorgeGist Monday #15
proActivist Monday #18
bdamomma Monday #19
reACTIONary Monday #21
emmaverybo Monday #24
not_the_one Monday #27
LiberalLovinLug Tuesday #38
njhoneybadger Monday #29
Jakes Progress Tuesday #46
Act_of_Reparation Wednesday #56
njhoneybadger Wednesday #58
Act_of_Reparation Wednesday #59
njhoneybadger Wednesday #60
Act_of_Reparation Thursday #61
BlueTsunami2018 Monday #30
Chemisse Tuesday #34
Joe941 Tuesday #35
Johonny Tuesday #36
LiberalLovinLug Tuesday #39
patphil Tuesday #40
mainer Tuesday #42
zackymilly Tuesday #44
Jakes Progress Tuesday #45
gtar100 Wednesday #50
Butterflylady Wednesday #52
Baltimike Wednesday #57
hatrack Thursday #62
brooklynite Thursday #63
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:39 PM

1. He also thanks everybody for the non stop bashing of the media. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:11 PM

26. Everyone doesn't bash media; but Dump does; and he had Epstein killed.

Dump hates the truth; and my signature line says it all.

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:56 PM

41. I agree. Trump's confession was his projection on the Clintons through the retweet.

Of this I have little doubt.

The strongest evidence of the Trump collusion with Russia was Trump's incessant "there was no collusion, no collusion" refrain.

The orange creature is constitutionally incapable of telling the truth that many times.

I'm sure he did have Epstein murdered - Barr planning it along with him.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

2. We really are in an era where facts/logic don't matter to many. trump exploits that daily.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:50 PM

3. Well said, brooklynite

And 100% correct.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:56 PM

4. Oh FFS

Has DU gone nutz?

If a drug dealer or street thug turned states evidence, then wound up dead on the street, NO ONE would consider it a CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!11 if speculations ran to murder

For fucksakes!

Enough with the elite worship/protection

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:36 AM

9. Maybe you remember the LIHOP / MIHOP controversy

surrounding 911 which degenerated into the Feds/Chaney did it with explosives. Ain't nothing new.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

23. Calling it an unassisted death is a conspiracy theory to most sentient beings.

Please!

People are not stupid. He had to die because of the incendiary info he had on too many rich and powerful people.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:57 PM

5. Trump thanks people who play by the old rules while

while he plays by the new rules.

It's no conspiracy theory to look at the facts:

-Epstein died under Barr/DOJ's watch.
-Barr refused to recuse himself from the Esptein case.
-Barr is a longtime GOP fixer/stooge who would do anything to prevent info coming out that could damage Trump/GOP in 2020.
-Trump blaming the Clintons (who have little to do w/Epstein and nothing to gain) is his standard 'projection deflection' Trump does when he's running scared.
-Trump as a private citizen freely chose to socialize with Epstein knowing full well what he was about.

We need a full, thorough and independent investigation; anything else won't quiet speculation from the public (nor should it).

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Response to radius777 (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:04 AM

32. I just want to know who ordered Epstein removed from suicide watch

That order came from a person with authority.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:15 AM

53. The chain that such an order traveled along needs to be exposed

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Response to radius777 (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:08 PM

43. and it's not conspiracy to think that powerful people had a MASSIVE motive here

Based on what lazy, or questionable procedures - it also looks like opportunity

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Response to radius777 (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:12 AM

51. You forgot Barr

Visited that jail when he really didn't have to.

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #51)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:50 AM

55. Epstein had dirt on Barr, and most likely, Barr's father too.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:02 AM

6. Give it a rest wilya?

 

Most people aren't asserting anything. They are just pointing out a lot of "facts" surrounding the event that leave a lot of questions unanswered.

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Response to elevator48 (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:53 PM

31. Exactly -- It's too early to know,, one way or another.

and I don't care who thanks me for that.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #31)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:40 PM

47. Ditto

People are rightly suspicious because just like the Mueller Report, both the Con and Barr put out alternative versions...and the rest is history

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:04 AM

7. How's that 'waiting for facts before we impeach' thing going.?

Muellers team works for almost 2 years and we still are reading the Barr report..

We are in a fight against nihilism and republicans are anarchists.

Waiting for facts that will never see the light of day....breeds conspiracy theories



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Response to pbmus (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:16 AM

8. Thank you

Just because some of us feel that there are questions to be answered doesn't mean we're playing into Trump's game.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:16 AM

10. It's a non story

Epstein died - Fact with 95% probability of being accurate.

Someone else 'suicided' him. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Barr strangled him personally. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Trump strangled him personally. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Guards were bribed to look the other way. Conjecture, probability of fact unknown.

Clintons killed him. (You got to be joking, right? Not worth reading or repeating, unless you live in cloud coo coo land.)

He is dead, forget him. Look at the evidence before the courts instead. Look for co-conspirators, and those who benefitted.

In defense of the conspiracy theorists though, conspiracy theories always grow in the absence of clear facts.
That is what Trump thrives on. And the GOP looks on and smiles.


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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:30 AM

11. The Con thrives on bullshit and faux friends and twitter...

And the anarchists look on and smile...

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

22. +100

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:48 AM

12. Isn't this gaslighting!?!? Trump would murder Epstein on 5th ave and not give a damn about

... what stinky poor people thought about it.

Bullshit, anything goes with this admin ... if you can think of it then they did it ... PERIOD.

shit,

They run concentration camps and kill and sexually abuse kids they kidnapped from migrants and people still give them the benefit of the doubt

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:19 PM

16. +1000

Thank YOU!

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:58 PM

17. No its not gas lighting,

it's common sense.

The inane, kooky conspiracy theories that are being propagated aren't helping to elect democrats or to advance progressive policies.

Quite the opposite, they advance the cultural and political decadence at the core of the hysterical dumpster deploiables.

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Response to proActivist (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:28 PM

48. Yes it is, common sense states with common knowledge and what I posted about red Don is

... commonly known about him; he's horrible and don't trust a damn thing they say

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #48)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:17 PM

49. When people accept hyperbole and

hysterical innuendo as "common knowledge" and fact, they (and those associated with them) lose credibility and are easily dismissed as being on the fringe. This does not help us, or our cause.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:15 PM

28. Yep, it's a conspiracy theory to those who think that it was an unassisted death.

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Response to brush (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:18 AM

54. Yes

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:57 AM

13. He also thanks

anybody promoting more Clinton murder conspiracy theories because then we're talking about Hillary again and not Trump. Oddly enough, I'm hearing more of the Clinton conspiracy theories more from people I know whom are more on the left/indy side of the spectrum than those on the right. When I've challenged them, they bring up all of the right-wing Clinton stuff produced in the 1990's. Even pointing out how heavily investigated the Clintons were throughout all of the 1990's and, again in the 2010's and how all of the Clinton "murder" stories were never considered more than a fringe obsession of some on the right, it doesn't seem to matter. Of course, the major problem with all conspiracy theories is that they seem to be self-reinforcing. They're impossible to disprove and the absence of evidence is always attributable to the conspiracy and some mysterious people or forces covering it up so that nobody can get to the proof.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

25. In a nutshell, the infuriating irony...the truth will never set conspiracy theorists free. It is

what you said:

“Of course, the major problem with all conspiracy theories is that they seem to be self-reinforcing. They're impossible to disprove and the absence of evidence is always attributable to the conspiracy and some mysterious people or forces covering it up so that nobody can get to the proof.”

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:40 AM

33. the alt-left and alt-right both are white identity

politics and Clintons/Obama represent diversity politics which in their minds 'stole' the old white-centric Dem party from them.

That's the real reason for their strong dislike of Clintons/Obama/Dems, although they'll try to explain it in other ways.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:29 AM

37. Yes

And evidence disproving the conspiracy is also further proof of the existence of the conspiracy because it was planted or conjured up in order to make people THINK there was no conspiracy.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:46 PM

14. We live in a time of distrust and conflict.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

20. That is

what they are instilling into the psyche of Americans.


gaslighting (present participle)



manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.




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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:19 PM

15. "I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters"

Trump thanks you for your confidence.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

18. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!

Let's focus on electing Democrats and supporting progressive, enlightenment values.

This country doesn't need any more of the sort of trash spread around by the dumpster deplorables and their ilk.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

19. true true

a very interesting comment. Facts and evidence do matter.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:15 PM

21. +10000!!!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

24. Said it all...perfectly.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

27. I can think for myself, thank you.

And for the record, Clinton and Gore briefed W and Cheney during the transition on the fact that the #1 threat to the US was foreign terrorism.

W promptly "assigned" it to Cheney, who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, KNOWING that was our #1 threat.

PNAC was no conspiracy, it was real.

At the very least LIHOP was their strategy. They just had no clue exactly how bad the attack would be.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #27)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:15 PM

38. Yes exactly!

Just because time is passing, doesn't change the unexplained, gravity defying, and near impossible circumstantial events surrounding that fateful day.

To use 9/11 as some kind of base to argue against the existence of conspiracies at the highest levels is not credible.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:31 PM

29. Because nobody ever got whacked in jail

Bill Barr never covered anything up
Trump never projects
The evidence for suicide is bulletproof

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #29)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:30 PM

46. + 100

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:48 AM

56. Nobody ever committed suicide in jail, either, amirite?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:24 AM

58. Not many billionaires

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #58)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:26 PM

59. You have an exhaustive list of jailbound billionaires by which to compare?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:03 PM

60. I'll leave that up to you

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #60)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:02 AM

61. I'll file it under "To Do"...

...with all the other burden of proof abdications I've collected over the years.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:45 PM

30. Right, just buy the official story, no matter how cockeyed.

Of all the shady shit that has gone down in this country, this Epstein “official” story is the least believable.

Very few people are buying this one.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:18 AM

34. Believe whatever officials tell you. Trump will thank you for that too.

Facts and evidence will matter, once they are available to us, unfiltered. Official statements are only as reliable as the official making the statement (think Barr and the Mueller report).

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:22 AM

35. I'm sure glad no one on DU is pushing those kinds of theories.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

36. I sleep better at night knowing a blackmailers dirt on countless billionaires and politicians

rests in the hands of someone that respects the law and would never use it for personal gain, like Bill Barr.

Said no one ever.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:38 PM

39. "Trump thrives" in chaos but not if the chaos is coming straight at him

He reportedly said "I'm fucked" when he heard that the Mueller investigation was on. If Mueller had more balls and said screw it, its too important, I'm going to indict him for at least obstructing justice, and let them fight it out if a sitting President is eligible to be charged or not after that, maybe Donald would be fucked right now.

I hope there is a fair and untainted investigation. Even if its found out that Bill and Hillary along with an exposed "Deep State" secret all powerful sinister DNC controlled organization was behind it, in order to hide Bill's attendence in Jeffery's underage sex parties, and Hillary's child prostitution ring. Now I highly doubt that's what they'll find, and if there was a little suicide "encouragement" going on, I'd lay my bet down it was connected to forces working for the side that had him locked up and was responsible for his well being. The problem is if there could ever be a truly independent investigation.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:10 PM

40. I'm not ready to say he was murdered, but the official story as we know it now has a lot of holes.

There will be an investigation, and maybe we will get the truth, or maybe not.
Even in death, the investigation into his dealings with underage girls will continue.
In fact, it will be harder to stop since there is no one to object to it. The victims will seek restitution and Epstein had a lot of wealth.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:03 PM

42. What about the "Epstein is alive and on a plane elsewhere" theory?

After his defense attorneys asked that he be taken off suicide watch (this part is true), Epstein was replaced by a look-alike dead body, which his brother helpfully identified at the morgue (this part is also true.) And then, having paid everyone off, Epstein flies away a free bird, has plastic surgery, and joins up with Ghislaine at whatever hidden location they've pre-arranged, perhaps some pretty tropical island in Thailand or the Philippines. Everyone else is a few million bucks richer.

Sometimes the plots just write themselves.

Someone should keep a close eye on the future lifestyles of the warden and the guards. If someone buys a Maserati or buys a nice house in Florida, that will be a freaking big tell.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:11 PM

44. Hmm..are YOU trying to steer us away from the truth? Don't you live in New York?

What do YOU know about this?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:29 PM

45. So your strategy is to let trump blame the Clintons

without any blowback?

Let him keep throwing out bombs with nothing coming in? I don't think you know how MSM and public awareness work today.

The Clintons didn't control the jail. The Justice Dept. did as a branch of trump's administration. The branch that wants to bring back Hillary's Emails, avoid investigating trump, lie about the Mueller report findings, and run a thousand shredders.

Yeah. Let's count on trump doing the right thing and the people using good judgement.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:08 AM

50. If you support the official story, donald thanks you.

And you're contributing to an atmosphere where facts don't matter. Etc., etc.

When something smells like bullshit, like the official story, there's no obligation to buy it or take it at face value. Frankly, the burden of proof is on them to not just tell us some convenient story - like Epstein killed himself and it's the fault of some incompetent guards - but to give us proof if they want us to believe it. I'm not holding my breath for an official to give the public any type of proof but as long as it smells the way it does, I'm under no obligation to go along with it. No one is. And without it, all we, including you, have are ascertains to go on. Chastising people for speculating doesn't make the official story any more believable. But tRump thanks you.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:14 AM

52. Perhaps then

We should call it " a convenient suicide"

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:57 AM

57. binary thinking is stinking thinking. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:08 AM

62. That's nice. Maybe now you can tell us about how the voting machines are perfectly safe

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Response to hatrack (Reply #62)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:13 AM

63. No, but I can tell you there's no evidence that votes were flipped and no candidate says they were..

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #63)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:08 PM

64. Buh-bye

.

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