The Clintons and left-wing conspiracy theorists?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

Disclaimer: I'm not posting this to attack people on the left in general, just questioning something from my own personal experience on social media

I'm a liberal and I have a lot of friends on FB whom are supposedly on the left wing, usually far left wing (i.e. left-wing indies, socialists, communists, even some anarchists) and they somehow seem to be the biggest proponents of conspiracy theories involving the Clintons and some of them have jumped (pounced) right on to the "Clintons murdered Epstein because they were afraid of him spilling the beans on Bill" train. Is it just my corner of left-wing social media that's getting this or has Clinton-hating become just as much of a thing on the left as it once was on the right? I thought that the whole "Clinton murder" stuff was just a right-wing fringe obsession back in the 1990's. Before Epstein died, the same people were also posting a lot about how it was quite likely (without sharing any particular evidence) that Bill would be taken down by whatever comes out about Epstein's network and how cool they'd be with that. Don't take me wrong. If Bill Clinton *was* involved in any sexual misconduct as part of his contact with Epstein (or otherwise), he would have deserved whatever came about. I'm just noticing a certain "glee" about the Clintons being taken down that I find odd on the left side of the fence. I'm sure that some on the left are probably still mad about 2016 and that Hillary beat Bernie for the Democratic nomination, but still, they just seem more focused on conspiracy theories involving the Clintons than, say Trump. And FTR I'm not a big subscriber to conspiracy theories in general.

[Aristus]

1. There seems to be a lot of hatred for Bill and Hill on the left, almost as virulent as the hate

from the right.

There's no question that both of them could be more progressive and less centrist. But one knows that liberal hatred for them has gone off the rails when they equate the Clintons with the vicious clowns of the right.

"A vote for Hillary is a vote for (Republican Candidate X.) !"

How many people claiming to be liberal/progressive/etc did we hear that from? A lot...

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. Yes

This is exactly what I'm noticing too. The virulent hatred.

[real Cannabis calm]

11. "Here's what we know."

Jeffrey Epstein’s connections to Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, explained

There are all sorts of unsupported speculation and dark conspiracy theories related to Epstein, Trump, and Clinton — but here’s our understanding of the known facts right now.

In the years before Epstein’s 2007 guilty plea to solicitation of prostitution with a minor, he was known for “collecting” friendships with many noteworthy or influential people — including Clinton and Trump, who were social acquaintances. Clinton took international trips on Epstein’s plane in the early years of his post-presidency, including a trip to several African countries with Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker.

Trump, meanwhile, reportedly attended Epstein-hosted events in New York and Florida, as Epstein patronized the Mar-a-Lago Club. In 2002, Trump even gave a remarkable on-the-record comment about Epstein to a New York magazine journalist, calling him “terrific” and adding that he “likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

Let's compare the actual Epstein connections between Trump and Clinton, instead of bashing "Bill," with unsubstantiated remarks!

[lapucelle]

4. We shouldn't help enable false narratives by providing life support for myths that refuse to die.

Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[lapucelle]

3. Russian propaganda was very effective during the GE campaign in 2016.

One of their tactics appears to have been to poison the well on may fronts so that some voters would either stay home or vote third party.

This might be especially true of young voters who do not have a contextualized memory of the long history of ridiculous right wing anti-Clinton conspiracies and who get/got the majority of their "news" on social media.

What was done by the Russians and their allies in 2016 is difficult to undo.

[uponit7771]

5. So true,

[lapucelle]

9. Here's Bill Clinton's infograph followed by that of one of the Justice Democrat's endorsees

Facts are stubborn things, even in the face of Russian propaganda.

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Bill Clinton is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.

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Ilhan Omar is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

6. It's easy to create division but much harder to get people back together.

That's probably a known phenomenon in psychology.....

You're correct - it was proven they plant seeds of division all throughout the political spectrum but then apply biases that tend to swing things their way.

It's one of the most underhanded and corrupt acts of politics in my book. That and voter suppression.....

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. Hoo-boy

I followed politics intensely in the 1990's and remember all of the Clinton hate from the right and all of the numerous investigations they went through that all but yielded nothing. After Vince Foster killed himself in 1993 (which was itself a subject of numerous Clinton conspiracy theories) I'm not sure that there was a single year that Bill was President where he and/or Hillary and their associates weren't under investigation for *something* by the GOP or by a Special Counsel (and there were at least two of those). There was even one additional Clinton investigation after he had left office (the alleged "sacking" of the WH as the Clintons were leaving). Then, more recently, there were another 3(?) years of GOP-led HRC investigations about Benghazi, her e-mail server, etc.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

7. The Clintons still have a strong voice in politics. That's what pisses the RW off.

Like tRump, they're arrogant and cannot stand criticism.....

[Caliman73]

12. A matter of perspective.

The Clinton's represent popular liberal politicians which scares right wingers who would rather have a more extreme version of political power. The Clinton's have been able to succeed at a centrist to center left approach to political and economic policy making. They appeal to a broad base of people.

To people on the far left, it seems that the Clintons represent the continuance and advancement of Capitalism. They are educated and fairly wealthy politicians who to the left, dressed Capitalism up in "pretty clothes" while not doing much to limit its destructiveness. If you are talking about Socialists, Communists, and Anarchists, they typically don't subscribe to a "lesser of two evils" philosophy, while most people who would call themselves liberals or progressives think that restraining Capitalism and taking its best aspects is a good thing but not to people on the father left who see Capitalism as a system without redeeming qualities.

Anyone who thinks the Clinton's are killers is just dumb. At worst they are rich educated, privileged liberals who have espoused some progressive, and some less progressive political and economic policies. Since they are middle of the road, they are going to get attacked at both ends of the political spectrum.