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Tue Aug 27, 2019, 01:36 AM

What can our great Democratic Party do to stop trump? Just wait for the election?

An election that will likely be influenced/rigged by sinister right ptb and a foreign power?

I know we only have a slice of power. But, trump et al has figured that out. Out of someone's strategy, or by sheer trump laziness (too much work to change actual laws)? He/They are changing our norms, our culture, our traditions, our values OUTSIDE the normal method of legislative change. They employ (once sound and meaningful) regulation reversals, executive orders, phony emergencies, even tweets to change our world.

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Reply What can our great Democratic Party do to stop trump? Just wait for the election? (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 OP
Kablooie Aug 2019 #1
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #5
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #6
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #13
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #20
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #22
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #24
democratisphere Aug 2019 #3
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #4
democratisphere Aug 2019 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #14
Kablooie Aug 2019 #7
Recursion Aug 2019 #8
Kablooie Aug 2019 #21
JI7 Aug 2019 #9
MasonDreams Aug 2019 #10
Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #12
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #15
Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #17
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #18
Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #19
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #25
kentuck Aug 2019 #27
BSdetect Aug 2019 #16
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #26
kentuck Aug 2019 #28
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #29

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 01:52 AM

1. Looks like that's about it. We'll have to enter the election with fingers crossed.

It's pretty scary.
With so many forces working to corrupt the election in Trump's favor, both inside and outside the US, it's going to be a real crap shoot.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 01:55 AM

2. No, pull his approval into the 20s and if he wins because he cheated don't certify his election.

... make sure to hit the streets letting each one of the dem congress persons know they should not certify Trumps cheating.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 02:25 AM

5. Been meaning to look at every swing state's governors - whether or not they are

a Democrat. Last time I checked - no single state had initiated election protection initiatives. Hope I am wrong. Because nationally, unless there is some serious outside the box thinking - doomed.

PS I was thinking under 40's approval...but you are right. Sadly we need to be under 30's.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 02:39 AM

6. +1, under 30s would fever break some of his cult that wasn't stuck it's Nixon and Hitler numbers

... that can help convince congress not to certify his election till an investigation of some type is done.

Anyone hold up the investigation then they have to go too.

Worked into IT for 30 years, our electoral systems are wide up for hacking

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:35 AM

13. So is there off-the-shelf anti-tampering software?

My take is that if we had funding it would still take a very long time to create requirements, select a vendor, customize, test and install. And each state would have different requirements.

I don't know if any of the critical states have started anything like this. But, the FBI? would know if a system is hacked since there were stories about attempts in 2016. Might not be happening live ?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 12:58 PM

20. +1, Yes !! This type of project should have started last year to secure ...

... I can see them keeping systems open to bait an attack but what are they going to do if Russia is caught and we have to go to paper?

Nothing if Red Don is elected, he'd give them a medal.

Dems should have a day one plan for securing our electoral systems no doubt

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #20)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:44 PM

22. How do you know they manipulated the vote until

It happens. Or on test determine it's likely so min one use paper? Are you saying if you detect a hack early in day immediately switch to paper? What a mess that would be huh. I read once that it's the laptops used to accumulate totals that are hacked. Maybe they should use off line laptops and fax totals on paper?

Yikes. Btw think TRussia will hack Minnesota cuz Dipshit keeps bragging about how he will flip it. And he can never keep a secret.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:46 PM

23. There are a myriad of ways to know if the actual vote, tally or registration has been broken into

... changed, etc etc.

They might as well start with paper and brute force the count like other countries do

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #23)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:54 PM

24. +1,000,000

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 02:14 AM

3. The impeachment inquiries will continue through the 2020

elections. I honestly don't believe drumpf will be in the 2020 election race.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 02:21 AM

4. I thought is was interesting that Scaramucci keeps dropping March as when he

thinks trump will drop out. Why March?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:34 AM

11. Beware the Ides of March.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:36 AM

14. Maybe because at that point he'd know who he

would be running against?

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 03:47 AM

7. What do you think would cause him to leave?

After all, if he stays he knows his position is safe no matter how hot the pressure gets.
And he seems to love fighting. The dirtier the better.
Also as soon as he leaves he will be vulnerable to indictments.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:10 AM

8. The dementia is getting harder to hide

People joke about it but, seriously, he's physically deteriorating

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Response to Recursion (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 01:08 PM

21. I don't think that would make any difference.

His brain dead followers don't care and as long as they remain loyal, Republicans won't go up against Trump and lose votes.
It's the same reason that there's no chance of impeaching him.

Republicans have allowed themselves to be totally subservient to idiot Trump voters so he will remain even if he claims he's Napoleon.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:25 AM

9. we can try many things but not much will happen unless we can get him out through the elections

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:25 AM

10. Pressure and more pressure / laugh at him, alot

Oh yes, more strong women in his face he hates that.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 09:41 AM

12. Not much we can do AFAIK

We can hold hearings, we can vote to impeach him, we can file lawsuits to challenge his policies and actions but, at this point, it seems like Trump is going to run out the clock on his first (and hopefully only term) and harm mitigation/reduction is probably the best we can hope for.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:45 AM

15. I would love to know what outstanding litigation is

active out there that could reach a conclusion before the election to hurt him. I suppose anything federal is out since Barr doesn't believe a president can be indicted. So it would have to be state driven.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:53 AM

17. I meant litigation of his policies

Criminally, we seem to be at a dead end, unless, like you say, something comes from the states. The Mueller Report- regardless of anything actionable from it- is still pretty damning and you can bet that Trump really wants to stay in office- where he remains protected, albeit via questionable DOJ legal theories and policies.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:42 AM

18. But we didn't immediately treat the Mueller findings

as absolutely impeachable actions. So seems you are stuck ...if you say it was horrible the logical question is...if so horrible why didn't you impeach over it?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

19. Who's the "we" here?

Most of us here support at least an Impeachment Inquiry and Impeachment if the facts warrant it. Democrats in the House may or may not be doing anything about it. It's not apparent they are moving very swiftly on it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:54 PM

25. Our party in the House and Senate on April 4th. The

Day after report released. It was that moment, Republicans and Democrats alike, waited holding their breath for a forceful declaration...."We find these actions more than worthy of Impeachment. The House will be moving immediately to commence the Impeachment process of Donald J Trump. Boom.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:34 PM

27. I think I agree with you.

They have seemed somewhat slow, to act and re-act.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:46 AM

16. They lie, cheat, steal, obstruct, oppose, deny, betray, confuse and threaten us.

But surely they will behave in 2020?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:57 PM

26. I believe the KGB (called something else now) and the rump WH and the Barr Justice dpt

are working together to make sure our grid goes down on election day.

Others like McConnell are involved, not sure if they can do this remotely or not.

But be certain they are working on it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:36 PM

28. They should act quickly to pass a paper ballot law.

Every vote has a paper ballot to back it up. Every American deserves to know their vote is secure.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:30 AM

29. Do you mean each state? Cuz McConnell would never

Agree to put that up for a vote would he?

We seem to have no game...no media plan. No effort to tell and warn every single American our votes won't be counted right. Jeez it writes it's own ad. Do we have no money??? Sorry....this is such a no brainer that we need to do something now. Wish all our super wealthy Hollywood compatriots would take the initiative.

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