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Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:39 AM

So, why didn't Mueller mention the Deutsche Bank loan arrangements?

Seriously.

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Reply So, why didn't Mueller mention the Deutsche Bank loan arrangements? (Original post)
Goodheart Aug 2019 OP
kstewart33 Aug 2019 #1
Goodheart Aug 2019 #2
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #18
Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #3
Backseat Driver Aug 2019 #4
rampartc Aug 2019 #5
Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #6
Doodley Aug 2019 #7
maxsolomon Aug 2019 #16
meow2u3 Aug 2019 #8
GoCubsGo Aug 2019 #13
NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #9
Cicada Aug 2019 #10
ElementaryPenguin Aug 2019 #11
Cicada Aug 2019 #12
triron Aug 2019 #14
onenote Aug 2019 #15
maxsolomon Aug 2019 #17
pnwmom Aug 2019 #20
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #21
Cicada Aug 2019 #22
pnwmom Aug 2019 #19

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:41 AM

1. Investigating Trump's finances was outside his charge.

That was Mueller's take about his responsibilities in the charge that Congress provided him.

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:43 AM

2. As if finances were not incentives?

What a load of cockamanie.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:39 PM

18. +1

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:48 AM

3. Nope.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:51 AM

4. IDK - It might lower the Barr et al which has

quite a different meaning of compromise; en flagrante dilecto or nothin'

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:56 AM

5. mueller was commissioned to investigate the connection with the russian government

he was always meant to bark up the wrong tree.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:57 AM

6. Fact is they are ever so closer to being in our hands.

I am happy about that. Don't understand your OP.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:11 AM

7. Mueller bowed to the bully-boy tactics of Trump and Giuliani to end the investigation too early.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:35 PM

16. And Barr

his direct supervisor.

Regardless, Trump's Finances were verboten.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:21 AM

8. Mueller was charged with investigating Russian interference and issues arising from such

Trump's finances predated the Russian cyberinvasion and was outside the scope of his investigation.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

13. Yes, and he also delegated a bunch of things to SDNY and others.

All of the stuff that he unearthed that didn't pertain directly to his investigation was sent to other branches. I have little doubt he passed the Deutsche Bank findings onto the financial crimes divisions, as well as to various state Attorneys General, such as Leticia James of the State of New York.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:28 AM

9. It wasn't in his scope

if Comey/McCabe made his mandate too broad, it risked violating the 4th Amendment

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:31 AM

10. Favoring Russia over the US is not illegal. Really.

Russian individuals doing business with Trump is legal. Even favoring Russia over the US is legal. So why would Mueller talk about it?

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Response to Cicada (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:52 AM

11. But being involved in money laundering schemes IS illegal!

Why do you think those Russian oligarchs co-signed Trump's loans? They have been business partners, through money laundering, for years.

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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:38 AM

12. Laundering clean money is legal

Oligarchs can legally transfer legally earned money from Russia to the USA. Trump financially dependent on friends of Putin is a screaming conflict of interest but it is not illegal. I am not sure Mueller had any reason to comment on it.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:56 AM

14. Money laundering is a federal crime. What are you talking about?

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Response to triron (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:28 PM

15. Did you read what you posted?

It specifically states that the crime of money laundering involves financial transactions "with proceeds that were generated from certain specific crimes, known as "specified unlawful activities"".

In other words, transactions involving "clean" money don't run afoul of money laundering laws, which is what the post you responded to said.

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Response to onenote (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:38 PM

17. Hard to say conclusively that an Oligarch's money is "clean".

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Since the entire government of Rusher is a criminal organization.

But I agree that co-signed loans aren't illegal per se. They're just a great reason not to re-elect the bastard.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

20. The issue is all the dirty money they've stolen from the Russian government. n/t

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Response to Cicada (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:42 PM

21. It is as president when there are emolument violations involved like having foreign cosigned debt

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:02 PM

22. The emoluments clause only applies to money from foreign govts or nobility

Oligarchs are individuals.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:39 PM

19. Maybe that was part of the counterintelligence investigation referred to the FBI. n/t

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