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Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:56 PM

Today USCIS issued guidance that DHS "no longer considers children of U.S. government employees and

Today USCIS issued guidance that DHS "no longer considers children of U.S. government employees and U.S. armed forces members residing outside the United States as 'residing in the United States' for purposes of acquiring citizenship” --



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Reply Today USCIS issued guidance that DHS "no longer considers children of U.S. government employees and (Original post)
demmiblue Aug 2019 OP
dhill926 Aug 2019 #1
Captain Zero Aug 2019 #13
lunatica Aug 2019 #2
Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #20
PSPS Aug 2019 #3
Va Lefty Aug 2019 #6
Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #22
Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #4
Opel_Justwax Aug 2019 #5
Xipe Totec Aug 2019 #7
Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #11
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2019 #8
onenote Aug 2019 #14
Baitball Blogger Aug 2019 #23
Iliyah Aug 2019 #9
subterranean Aug 2019 #17
mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #10
onenote Aug 2019 #15
rdking647 Aug 2019 #19
Eugene Aug 2019 #12
sdfernando Aug 2019 #16
roamer65 Aug 2019 #18
onenote Aug 2019 #24
Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #21

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:00 PM

1. Still gonna vote for Anus Orange there...

military? What the fuck...

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:28 PM

13. probably but

they are going to find less and less help from foreign recruits (yes, mercenaries) who have always been guaranteed citizenship for them and their families if they served in the US military. It's been going on a long time. I knew a Filipino in the early 80s who had become a citizen, with his wife and children this way. So essentially in the long run this would lead to shortfalls in manpower from that type of recruitment. Personally I think hiring mercenaries is an empire move and I never thought we should be an empire anyway.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:02 PM

2. Steven Miller is a busy little boy isn't he.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:46 PM

20. +1

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:08 PM

3. Well, there goes John McCain's citizenship

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Response to PSPS (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:14 PM

6. That's probably how Miller pitched it to him.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:47 PM

22. Yup.

There goes the entire history of the Canal Zone, where four or five proud generations of Americans were born and raised.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:09 PM

4. Obvious vindictive protectionist bullshit against true patriotic American public servants

I want to see Melania's paperwork, and all other foreign model mistresses and "brides" of American men in power's immigration paperwork. I want all of their children stripped of their US citizenship and either kept in cages without access to vaccines, blankets, education, and toiletries or immediately deported to their "Mothers' land".

No, not really. Because I am not a vindictive asshole in power.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:14 PM

5. Thank you for your overseas service soldier. Your kids can stay in Germany when you return.

Insane.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:15 PM

7. WTF?!!

Please explain why anybody would want to serve the US government abroad under these circumstances?

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:25 PM

11. I'm sure that's the point...

Remember, their goal is the dismantling of the "administrative state."

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:15 PM

8. That would have delegitimized people like John McCain.

Not that Trump cares about that, of course.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:32 PM

14. No it wouldn't

There is a separate, specific statutory provision addressing the citizenship of children born to a US parent in the Panama Canal Zone.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1403

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Response to onenote (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:48 PM

23. Good to know.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:20 PM

9. Even when both are USA's citizens and have children

on foreign soil?

This will backfire on them big time.

Vote these motherfuckers out!

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:39 PM

17. Presumably this would affect only non-U.S. citizens

A child with at least one parent who's a U.S. citizen is automatically eligible for citizenship, regardless of where they're born. This guidance doesn't change that. So I assume it's aimed at U.S. government employees or armed forces members serving abroad who are not citizens. This means their children will not be eligible for U.S. citizenship, as they would be if they were born on U.S. soil. That's my interpretation of it, anyway.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:25 PM

10. "Residing In" or "Born In"? I'm a bit unclear as to whether this means what some are assuming

Such as that it would've made McCain a non-citizen. Come to think of it McCain was born on what was considered 'US territory in Panama', that's why he is (or was) a citizen TTBOMK.

I think this applies to a more arcane type of circumstance, not meaning that if a US citizen service member has a child overseas the child is not considered a US Citizen ... I can't imagine even crazy-ass Trump would try to pull a stunt like that.

I think this is more aimed at adopted kids ... in particular gay couples adopted kids ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:41 PM

15. I'm not sure, but you may be right.

There are very specific statutory provisions relating to when someone acquires citizenship at birth. I'm not sure the rules at issue here address those situations nor do I think that they could change the statutory standards.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:43 PM

19. according to a spokesperson

"The policy change explains that we will not consider children who live abroad with their parents to be residing in the United States even if their parents are U.S. government employees or U.S. service members stationed outside of the United States and, as a result, these children will no longer be considered to have acquired citizenship automatically,

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:25 PM

12. But, but, but didn't our Dear Leader say that nobody supports

our troops more than he does.

Trump's sadopopulism now devours a constituency that generally supports him. Brilliant move, Stephen Miller.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:55 PM

16. OMG! They are trying to de-naturalize me!

I was born in Munich to U.S. Army Officer. Our family is of 100% Mexican descent, I'm brown-skinned...When will they come for me?!?!?

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:41 PM

18. You're 100 percent American.



I see this crap as ethnic cleansing, just like the former Yugoslavia.

For instance, people of Mexican heritage have more of a right to be in the territory illegally obtained from Mexico in 1848, than do pink skinned Euros. The Southwest is illegally occupied Mexican land.

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:50 PM

24. Never. The ruling, assuming it would apply to your situation (unclear) is prospective only.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:47 PM

21. I thought that US bases overseas

were considered "American soil"?

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