Glenn Kirschner doesn't believe Epstein committed suicide.

[triron]

Link to tweet

[MontanaMama]

1. As Malcolm Nance says...

coincidence takes a lot of planning.

[lagomorph777]

12. Those are a bunch of well-planned coincidences.

You know, security cameras typically don't fail, especially the fancy ones in a maximum-security jail. When the story first broke, I predicted there would be "broken" cameras in it. What a surprise.

[cstanleytech]

16. One camera I could maybe understand as tech does break down and it does need repair from

time to time but not 2 that prevent there being a record around a cell of someone that supposedly commits suicide over a case that is likely to have broad negative implications for a number of powerful people.

[Corgigal]

21. Funny, that's my threshold too.

Maybe one camera, but two.

Also two sleeping guards. I get one sleeps to cover the other. I've worked nightshift at a EMS center, I get tried. Just both of them, at the same time?

Also, why did Epstein come back? I've never read why he came back, from wherever he was. How we picked him up at the New Jersey airport. Was he coaxed home?

[shanti]

30. Those behind this

are laughing in our faces at how easy it was to pull this off. Barr makes me ill.

[uponit7771]

74. +1, 2 broken cameras at the same in the same space and the same damn time too !!

[Pacifist Patriot]

79. My company has a surveillance maintenance contract that includes camera repair and comms reliability

The odds that a camera will go down at any given time is quite high. The odds two specific cameras will go down together at a critical moment in time in a high interest area? Not so much.

[stopdiggin]

84. how often

do you run into facilities/companies that are "extremely lax" in ordering needed maintenance and repair? Like A LOT? Budgets my friend, budgets.

[Pacifist Patriot]

88. Government contracts

Lax and budgets are not issues

[calimary]

67. I remember thinking "how convenient."

And Gee, BOTH cameras go on the fritz at the same time.

Uh-huh.

[Scarsdale]

68. Shades of

Whitey Bulger. He was conveniently transferred, too.

[Erda]

80. and . . .

the DC Madam

[Scarsdale]

81. Only Dick(less) Cheney

knows for sure what happened in that case.

[Judi Lynn]

95. Absolutely! Great catch. She had a lot of names, too, didn't she? So similar. n/t

[karin_sj]

96. And...

The DC madam made a big point out of saying that she would never commit suicide (after everything hit the fan). I’ve always wondered about that.

[calimary]

83. Makes me think of Ken Lay, too.

He beat the rap by dying before having to face some pretty loud music in the Enron scandal. When I heard that he had died, I said the exact same thing: “gee, how convenient.”

[Turin_C3PO]

2. The Medical Examiner of New York

determined Epstein committed suicide. She is a qualified and accomplished professional. Now, was he allowed on purpose to commit suicide? That’s within the realm of possibilities.

[triron]

5. Glenn Kirschner is a retired 30 year prosecutor. You think he doesn't know about the med. examiner

report? Come on!

[Thekaspervote]

14. This!! Epstein had the connections, he knew he would never get out so he paid those he needed to

Look the other way, be it broken cameras or overworked guards

[cstanleytech]

17. Except for one important thing and that is he also probably had enough dirt on people that used the

girls he provided that he could have probably been able to get a plea bargain deal involving little to no jail time.

[Hekate]

61. He already pulled that trick once in Florida. I think he knew he couldn't again. That last photo...

...says a lot: I call it Staring into the Abyss.

[cstanleytech]

63. Oh? So he rolled over on a number of big shots using his services back then?

[Trueblue Texan]

57. If he actually committed suicide...

...why would they need both cameras to be out? Maybe one, but both? In fact, wouldn't they want at least one to be functional if individuals were paid to look the other way during a suicide? Wouldn't they prefer video evidence of Epstein actually doing the deed himself, just to cover some asses? Nope. I agree with Kirshner.

[triron]

58. Now that's an astute observation!

[uponit7771]

75. +1, good point ... they would want the cameras working just to cover their asses

[Pepsidog]

25. The question is why he was ever taken off suicide watch and who was paid off to make that decision.

[babylonsister]

35. His shrink iirc...

ok, psychologist.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-jeffrey-epstein-suicide/psychologist-approved-jeffrey-epsteins-removal-from-suicide-watch-idUSKCN1VE00R

Psychologist approved Jeffrey Epstein's removal from suicide watch

[Pepsidog]

36. Somebody was paid off. The psychologists should lose their licenses.

[cstanleytech]

27. That's simply a determination based on the evidence she has on hand.

Now if we had video footage we could put it to rest for sure however 2 of the cameras were not working oddly enough.

[pnwmom]

38. Has anyone seen her report or do we just have Barr's summary of it?

[JeaneRaye]

82. Good point.

Because we know how truthful Barr is, don't we?

[Polybius]

56. It's a hard thing to prove

Medical examiners are like meteorologists. They are wrong a lot.

[Iliyah]

3. I agree . . .

[Brother Buzz]

4. Glenn Kirschner is not alone

[Mr.Bill]

11. Of course he isn't alone.

Look at some conservative websites. 60 million people think the Clintons had him killed.

[librechik]

6. I'm with Kirschner. My dad was a cop

and thought everyone was crooked, even other cops. So I can't help seeing these "coincidences" and cascading fuckups as anything but BS. Indeed, come on man.

[sandensea]

26. As a Malcolm Nance pointed out:

Coincidences require careful planning.

Cui bono, right?

[librechik]

45. no shit n/t

[Dr Vegas]

7. Gibbs Rule #39 - "There is no such thing as coincidences"

[Hoyt]

8. Placing your wealth in a Private Trust two days before, sure sounds like

planning to end it, not to mention asking to be taken off suicide watch, and his first so-called suicide attempt appears not to have been a suicide attempt.

But, calling it murder is more juicy, and just maybe Epstein had a photo of trump — that we all want jailed — raping a child on inauguration night. Keep the fire, and bloggers, burning.

[GeorgeGist]

9. So, maybe he was expecting to be M U R D E R E D?

and his first so-called suicide attempt appears not to have been a suicide attempt.

[Hoyt]

15. I think his attorneys could have gotten him moved if that were case

[cstanleytech]

18. It can also be used as step simply to protect your wealth from being taken in the event that

someone sues you.

[Hoyt]

20. From what I've read, it appears it was more to keep his finances, etc.,

from public focus.

If he were worried about suits, he would have tried this years ago. And I doubt the trust would protect him from having to pay court awards or settlements.

[cstanleytech]

23. Depends on the type of trust if its an irrevocable one its largely immune I believe from courts

trying to take it and use it as part of a judgement provided its setup right.

[TeamPooka]

85. anyone outside the police and coroner seen his corpse?

[Hoyt]

86. My understanding is trump will make his corpse a display at one of his hotels. $50 for quick view.

[PSPS]

10. LOL. Gee, who knew kirschner graduated medical school and is a forensic pathologist? LOL.

He's just another TV talking head with uninformed and meaningless opinions that NBC uses to generate "clicks."

[Kid Berwyn]

33. A real Doc Holliday

4 years ROTC and starting football center Washington & Lee University
6 years US Army JAG
30 year US Attorney
6 years head of Homicide Washington DC.

Yeah, what’s Kirschner know? Besides murder, crime and the national security state?

[PSPS]

43. He's not an MD. No medical training. Never went to medical school. But now he's an expert!!111!!

The next thing you know, people will be seeking the advice of prostitutes regarding the efficacy of vaccines. Oh, wait...

[Kid Berwyn]

46. Which has zero to do with his credentials as a criminologist.

Smearing others is disinformation.

[PSPS]

53. Good luck when your "criminologist" performs your appendectomy

[triron]

47. This is a totally absurd comparison. You seem to be intentionally misleading.

[PSPS]

54. Yes, now it's absurd to prefer opinions from appropriate professionals in the proper field. Check.

[Trueblue Texan]

69. You don't have to have a license to practice medicine to use common sense...

...and to try to figure out what happened here. If I'm not mistaken, Kirschner was a prosecutor. I think he knows a thing or two about crime and that's what we're talking about here.

[cwydro]

49. Lol, gotta ask.

What’s the starting football center got to do with anything?

[Kid Berwyn]

78. Leadership.

It is unusual for a freshman to lead the offensive line.

In researching this reply, I found I made a mistake. I repeated what I read on Wikipedia.

Kirschner did not letter as a freshman. He lettered three years - soph, junior and senior years. Better source, the team’s webpage:

https://www.generalssports.com/information/hall_of_fame/2009_Class/kirschner_glenn

[FraDon]

13. Most unlikely he is dead. Billions buy backdoors.

Like Jimmy Saville (UK), he was a pimp for the royals and elites. And he ran one of the top, honey-pot blackmail operations for multiple intelligence communities and private clients.

I think he's likely getting a massage, as you read this.

[cstanleytech]

19. Saville would be in his mid 90s though so more likely than not he is dead by now regardless.

[Pepsidog]

22. I'm no conspiracy nut but this is definitely some dirty business here.

[cstanleytech]

32. I tend to agree. One or two minor issues is one thing but we have multiple issues here and some

like 2 of the cameras being "broken" that might have been able to put to bed any question of if it was suicide or assisted suicide (aka murder) are not minor issues but rather major ones.

[smirkymonkey]

51. +1000

Yep, something just isn't sounding kosher to me either. I'm not buying the "official" report. I really don't know what happened, and neither does anyone else, but it all sounds shady as hell to me.

[Baltimike]

97. that's what has me thinking something's hinky too

too many "Ooops"

too much shruggy shoulders

[Kid Berwyn]

24. I'll side with Kirschner over Barr any day.

Epstein’s death means we won’t hear what he knows about whom.

[Loge23]

28. Too arrogant to kill himself?

We'll probably never know what happened and to that I'd like to add in the very shady presence of Fat Billy Barr into the mix. Anyone else feel that Fat Billy doth protest too much after the suicide?
But to further speculate, I thought that Epstein was just too arrogant and sure of himself to do this. He had oodles of dough to try and get off and I think he would have taken this to as long as he could have. Now maybe if he was ultimately found guilty and imprisoned in a federal penitentiary, maybe then he would have ended it all. But I do find it highly suspicious that he would have done the deed when he did.

[cstanleytech]

34. "Too arrogant to kill himself?" Well if he had something to bargain to get complete immunity then

I would say offhand that suicide would be unlikely.
So the question is what could he offer a prosecutor that the prosecutor would agree to that? About the only thing I could think of is evidence involving a number of other powerful people that used and or provided the girls to him.

[triron]

37. There was also the likelihood of a plea deal.

[mudstump]

29. Something is very rotten here...

[Vinca]

31. You might believe the guards fell asleep or you might believe the cameras were broken, but

it strains the imagination that both things happened at the same time just when Epstein was making his exit.

[zentrum]

39. His ties were

...incredibly deep and broad and powrful. So I'm prepared to believe it was murder.

My one question is--what about the first attempt? Did they come in and try to kill him then too? Why would they fail the first time?

None of it makes any sense.

[triron]

40. Yes it is a mystery.

[triron]

41. And Epstein's lawyers seem to feel similarly. Also didn't they have a physician present at the

autopsy? Then it's even more intriguing they have doubts about the 'suicide'.

[flying_wahini]

42. Not to mention there was screaming reported coming from Epstein's cell

I believe it was reported that an inmate reported hearing screaming and then I didn’t see any mention of it again.

[cwydro]

50. I don't know if you've ever been in or around a jail.

But screaming is constant, all night and day.

[Grasswire2]

44. I went over to freerepublic yesterday just to nose around...

....and saw a whole big new Q presence over there. A thread with more than a thousand posts includes something reportedly sent out shortly after Epstein's demise telling how he was switched out and left the facility alive. So there's a whole huge CT about this, on the right.

[Hekate]

62. Whoa, I thought the freeper hamster wheel was on life support. 1,000+ posts and Q too?

JimBob must be so happy.

[mopinko]

71. i've seen a couple mentions of this. something about a photo

of his ear.

[triron]

48. knr

[bdamomma]

52. His death

was like a mafia hit. Too many involved with this slime ball.

[wiggs]

55. When will the media start assuming the worst. Have lessons not been learned? nt

[triron]

59. They have their heads buried in the sand looking for clouds.

[Hekate]

60. That's the photo where good ol' Jeffrey looks like he is staring into the Abyss...

...and seeing Death stare back at him.

[uponit7771]

76. +1, no ... no one would believe it.

[karin_sj]

65. I think he's right

It doesn’t pass the smell test!

[MasonDreams]

66. Everybody should have seen that coming.

[LisaL]

70. I don't either.

[Kid Berwyn]

93. Convicted child sex ring operator murdered in federal prison 2 Jan. 2019

Here’s more blinking red lights I didn’t know about...

3 charged with killing sex ring mastermind in prison

Robert Snell
The Detroit News, Aug. 21, 2019 |

Detroit — Three prison inmates stabbed, beat, kicked and stomped to death Christian Maire, the mastermind of an international child exploitation ring who was killed inside the federal detention center in Milan in January, according to an indictment unsealed Wednesday.

Alex "Sniper" Castro, 39, Jason "J" Kechego, 38, and Adam "Creeper" Wright, 39, were charged with first-degree premeditated murder and accused of conspiring to prey upon smaller, weaker inmates, including Maire and another member of the child exploitation ring, Michael Figura, prosecutors said.

Excerpt...

Maire and Figura belonged to an international child exploitation ring that perfected the art of preying on preteen and teenage girls. Members of the ring who were called hunters posed as teenage boys and trolled social media websites to lure victims to a private online chatroom before manipulating more than 100 children, including at least one from Metro Detroit, to strip, masturbate and perform sex acts on camera.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2019/08/21/trio-charged-killing-sex-ring-mastermind-christian-maire/2076515001/

This attack should have been in the institutional memory, another reminder Epstein was in danger — whether he also was a danger to himself is secondary. Epstein told the NYT he had compromising info on the rich and powerful. Epstein thus was a threat to the perverts at the top of the elite heap until he died.

[mopinko]

72. charlie pierce- nobody is ever going to believe the official story on this.

header from his column from that day.

[kentuck]

73. Was it a coincidence that two cameras monitoring his cell were not functioning?

Was Epstein trying to send a message his first suicide attempt? Did they think it was a fake "suicide"?

Who would be "they"?

[uponit7771]

77. +1, ... and not functioning at the same time looking at the same area !? Someone upthread said the

... camera's should've been working just to cover peoples butts.

Suicide ... yeah right 😒

[Hoyt]

87. I'd bet with our underfunded prison system, there are a lot of cameras that aren't recording

properly. As long as it's not a blank screen in the security office, I doubt anyone checks the actual recordings unless something like this happens.

[Buckeyeblue]

89. What about a British Royalty bombshell?

There are far more powerful people in the world than Trump. His power is limited and finite. The British Royalty on the other hand. Maybe it wasn't just Andy who like to dabble.

When you are talking about sexual perversion, there are no limits. We assume Trump but really, with something like this, there could be a line of powerful people and families that preferred him not to speak.

But...if that's the case, why would they have waited until he was arrested?

The reality is, he did himself in. He knew he was never getting out of prison. Why people serve out life sentences is beyond me. I would do the same thing.

[triron]

90. I believe your premise is incorrect. Nothing else follows QED

[triron]

91. kick for visibility

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92. kick again

[triron]

94. kick for visibility

[Sugarcoated]

98. Keeee-ya