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Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:15 PM

Confiscation is a canard - who confiscated the lawn darts?

You donít have to ďconfiscate all the gunsĒ.

But... people canít show up at the range with them, or generally carry them in public. As soon as someone has one in public, no one has to wait for them to shoot. If the weapon is in plain view during a domestic disturbance, traffic stop, or any other law enforcement encounter, then it is not simply a lawful firearm sitting over there in the corner or in the back of the car. Those types of things, plus the attrition due to inability to transfer, or ownersí estates disposing of them, will significantly reduce the ability of people to casually own and transport these weapons.

On top of that, there will be a reduced incidence of stolen weapons or circumstances where a young person runs off with mom or dadís weapon, since many actually law abiding people will dispose of them.

There was no national confiscation program for lawn darts. When was the last time you saw one?

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:19 PM

1. I posted this in that other thread too

Gun related sentencing for things like domestic violence, DUIs, etc. A set of crimes for which special court rulings may be applied. A judge could order the convicted to get rid of guns that they own. Could they stay in the house? That I'm not sure of. The sentence would be like probation - if the convicted is later caught with or using a gun then the are sentenced for that crime retroactively.


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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:26 PM

3. The point is broader than that


Plenty of shooters never had a bad day before they had one.

If semi-auto weapons were banned and required to be subject to a buy back or other program by a date certain, then there is a significant improvement in public safety which comes from the fact that any having any such weapon in plain view during any casual lawful LE contact is an offense, and that we donít have to wait to find out what they were intending to do with it. There are several effects which, from that point, cause attrition of the supply on a monotonic downward slope.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:10 PM

10. Okay.

Thanks.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:22 PM

2. Probably years before any gun law

begins to effect mass shootings. There should be another group or organization forming to push for immediate gun intervention laws.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:32 PM

4. They stopped making the lawn darts years ago

I had an older friend who had a summer job at a Jarts factory - which hasn't existed for a few decades now.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:41 PM

7. Yes. The "years ago" of the future starts now

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:16 PM

11. Has anyone suggested a ban on the manufacturing or importation of military-style weapons?

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:38 PM

5. We have a law which prohibits machine guns and taxed them into oblivion..

In the 30s...it is called the National Firearms Act of 1934...Roosevelt knew what to do, because he was standing beside Cermak who was killed that day by a Thompson submachine gun...

Unfortunately our politicians have not raised the tax of 200$...which would greatly reduce the weapons purchase...

This is one way we can reduce weapons of war on our streets.

Another is to offer buybacks...at city and state levels.

https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/07/how-america-fell-out-of-love-with-machine-guns/

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:39 PM

6. Agree. Availability of new ones will end. Anyone spotted with one

canít claim to be law-abiding, and should be subject to hefty fines.

I suspect if it really came down to it, a lot of criminal holdouts could be identified by matching serial numbers.

Nothing will be 100%, but any improvement is helpful.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:54 PM

8. Give Trump a bounty on all guns confiscated. That'll get the ball rolling.

Give Trump a bounty on all guns confiscated.

That'll get the ball rolling.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:06 PM

9. Not really comparable.

There isn't a deep, long-term, often-irrational, cultural, national obsession with lawn darts as there is with guns.

There also isn't a vague, open-for-interpretation, Constitutional link to them.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:23 PM

12. Lawn darts are legal to own, and are sold secondhand often.

Thatís the problem with comparison. They were banned from retail sale (mostly - the halves are sold and are easily assembled) but not banned from possessing or reselling.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:31 PM

13. Its not a canard -- its an effin Beto campaign promise.


Beto O'Rourke
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I was asked how I'd address people's fears that we will take away their assault rifles.

I want to be clear: That's exactly what we're going to do. Americans who own AR-15s and AK-47s will have to sell their assault weapons. All of them.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:36 PM

14. Here's where you can you buy them

Lawn Darts were really a "soft ban".

There is no penalty for owning them. You can still sell them. If you have a machine shop in your garage, they are pretty easy to make and it's not illegal to do sio.

What you cannot do, is MARKET and sell them as toys.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Franklin-Lawn-Darts-BOX/123894579019?hash=item1cd8b13f4b:g:XsMAAOSwX6tdbUlg

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:55 PM

15. I recently saw a video about lawn darts.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:01 PM

16. Never underestimate social pressure.

At some point it became okay to tell a guest that no, they could not smoke in your house.

My dad's parents didn't smoke but they always had ash trays, lighters, and even a few cigarettes out for guests who smoked.

It was considered good manners.

There's nobody left in my family who smokes.

At my brother's house a guest recently asked if he could smoke. My brother's wife told him not in the house, he could go outside by the fire pit. Soon after that the guy lit up INSIDE THE HOUSE and my brother told him to get the fuck out and never come back. (My sister-in-law wasn't in the room at the time. She might have been less polite.)

There will come a time when simply talking about gun fetishes in mixed company will be a horrible faux-pas similar to bragging about drunk driving. Or smoking in the home of someone who has asked you not to smoke. Maybe it already is.



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