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Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:02 PM

 

School lockdown drill (active shooter)








We had duck and cover drills and fire drills.
No comparison in my opinion.

Before I call tomorrow if anyone has any suggestions on questions I would really appreciate it.

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Reply School lockdown drill (active shooter) (Original post)
SHRED Sep 4 OP
guillaumeb Sep 4 #1
Chin music Sep 4 #2
SHRED Sep 4 #3
guillaumeb Sep 4 #4
SHRED Sep 4 #8
Chin music Sep 4 #39
guillaumeb Sep 5 #46
lunatica Sep 4 #5
SHRED Sep 4 #6
IggleDuer Sep 4 #7
dixiegrrrrl Sep 4 #24
SHRED Sep 4 #26
Chin music Sep 4 #40
Ms. Toad Sep 4 #41
LanternWaste Sep 5 #45
demtenjeep Sep 4 #9
SHRED Sep 4 #10
demtenjeep Sep 4 #13
SHRED Sep 4 #16
demtenjeep Sep 4 #19
SHRED Sep 4 #21
SHRED Sep 4 #12
demtenjeep Sep 4 #14
demtenjeep Sep 4 #17
demtenjeep Sep 4 #25
ecstatic Sep 4 #11
smirkymonkey Sep 4 #15
xmas74 Sep 4 #18
SHRED Sep 4 #20
xmas74 Sep 4 #22
SHRED Sep 4 #23
SHRED Sep 4 #27
xmas74 Sep 4 #28
SHRED Sep 4 #29
xmas74 Sep 4 #31
SHRED Sep 4 #33
xmas74 Sep 4 #37
tblue37 Sep 4 #43
barbtries Sep 4 #30
SHRED Sep 4 #32
barbtries Sep 4 #36
MustLoveBeagles Sep 4 #34
barbtries Sep 4 #35
MustLoveBeagles Sep 4 #38
Ms. Toad Sep 4 #42
SHRED Sep 5 #44

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:05 PM

1. PTSD.

And that should be the focus. All of these drills are only necessary because the NRA, and Putin, run the GOP.

I can easily see these children suffering from psychological trauma because the NRA/GOP suggests that schools be repurposed as armed prisons.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:09 PM

3. Here's the kicker

 

The school is completely fenced off with a volunteer parent at each classroom door.

Even with this they still dump the paranoia on to the children.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:11 PM

4. So the school is basically a fortress.

And yes, this will obviously influence the children.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:19 PM

8. Yup

 

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Response to Chin music (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:51 PM

46. And in the case of these shooters,

it is something that is happening.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:12 PM

5. Demand that the Principal be fired for terrorizing children

There is absolutely no need to have those drills happen spontaneously in order for the children to learn what to do. Absolutely none. They will be better prepared if they learn what to do by knowing itís OK.

God! This pisses me off big time! Why are they terrorizing children?! This going to cause PTSD which will only damage them.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:13 PM

6. That's how I feel too

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:17 PM

7. I remember hiding under my desk to protect me from Russian nukes in the late 50's ...

... Iím sure that todayís drills would be equally effective.

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Response to IggleDuer (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:45 PM

24. Thing was, tho....they did not have weekly news and video of nukes dropping on schools



We can say yeah, no big deal for the nuke drills, now, but we were being prepared for a rare event, at a time when even smart people did not understand much or hear much about nuke bombs.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:52 PM

26. Thank you

 

Thank you for your clarity.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:20 PM

41. I was certainly very aware of the risk of nuclear war

as someone who was pre-teen in that era. I was aware of preparing our root cellar as a place to stay in the event nuclear war happened, of my parents purchasing food that they could safely store in the cellar in case we needed to stay there for a while. I was also aware that we were a fraction of a degree off from a SAC base (which would likely be an early hit) - and that if the aim was off we might be a direct hit.

Even at that age, I had seen images from Hiroshima and Nagasaki - and knew the capabilities of nuclear bombs.

You may not have been aware, understood much, or have heard much - but I was - and I did.

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Response to IggleDuer (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:35 AM

45. You then believe hiding from a shooter is ineffective?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:21 PM

9. we have one next week

it really could save lives.


See March For Our LIves active shooter drill from a child's perspective =one who survived a real shooting

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:23 PM

10. It's how they conduct them

 

Understand?

There is a way to not terrorize the children.
At least minimize it.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:28 PM

13. I live through them 3-4 times a year for the last 20WATCH THIS

started with Columbine.


So did my kids-one of which is also now a teacher.

If even one life is saved-it is worth it.

The 2nd day of school we have a run-hide-fight video that is required and then we discuss our specific classrooms with our specific students.


it sucks, but it is necessary.


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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:31 PM

16. Are you listening to me?

 

They sprang it on the children.
Did you read my thread?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:33 PM

19. yes I hear you . ALL drills are "surprise"

if kids knew it wasn't real, they wouldn't take it seriously thus in the event it WAS real they wouldn't know what to do.



My kids do NOT know (I am on crisis team) when the drills are-but they do know what to do.



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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:38 PM

21. Goodbye

 

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:26 PM

12. Who's "We"?

 

What age group?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:30 PM

14. K-12

not sure if colleges do it-but they should

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Response to SHRED (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:32 PM

17. by the way, I believe this girl survived Parkland

WATCH the video with your child and explain it

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Response to SHRED (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:50 PM

25. sorry you feel that way. I want ALL of my students to live BUT I also want to live

thus the need for drills

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:24 PM

11. Disgusting and deplorable.

How do we get republicans to put their racism aside for an election or two so this country can get back on track? Why can't they see that this isn't sustainable?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:31 PM

15. FFS! Even when we have fire drills at work, we get a warning!

The least they could do is give the kids a head's up so they don't panic unnecessarily. That's just cruel.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:33 PM

18. Retreat this to Moms Demand Action

And at Shannon Watts. She'll take this everywhere.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:38 PM

20. I don't know who that is

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:42 PM

22. Shannon Watts is the founder of Moms Demand Action.

She has a very visible Twitter presence.

Btw-did you know there is now a Grandparents Demand Action? You might check your local Moms Demand Action for details. They're working on either a Hunters or Gun Owners Demand Action group too.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:44 PM

23. Thanks

 

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:52 PM

27. Done

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:54 PM

28. She's good people.

You might get several suggestions.

Is the city/state on your profile on DU correct?

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:57 PM

29. Yes...now it is...lol

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:00 PM

31. I think Moms has a local there.

https://momsdemandaction.org/about/chapters/

Contact your local or just show up. Express your concerns. You can get so much more done in a group.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #31)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:09 PM

33. Thank you for that link

 

I passed it on to my daughter.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:13 PM

37. Good

I'm a proud member here in Missouri. We took on our lawmakers last session over a bill that would allow guns on all college campuses. We were there every day of the hearing, made phone calls,showed up at outside events where the politicians were,etc. We defeated that bill.

Btw-don't need to be a mom to join. Some of our strongest members are grandparents,teachers, aunts/uncles,etc.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:47 PM

43. Autocorrect messed up your subject line. nt

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:58 PM

30. just let them know.

our kids go to learn and should not be going through. At my granddaughter's school (5th grade, maybe even 6th), some genius decided that the children would not be told it was a drill. One of her classmates peed his pants. I doubt he'll ever get over it.

motherfuckers.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:00 PM

32. This is why

 

This why I put people on ignore who think this is okay.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:11 PM

36. i don't blame you.

it gets so normalized people forget to THINK. seriously it doesn't have to be this way!

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Response to barbtries (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:09 PM

34. Poor kid



Aside from the trauma from the drill, that boy will probably get bullied for his reaction to it. So unnecessary.

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:10 PM

35. exactly.

it hurts my heart.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:20 PM

38. It's not the drills I'm against, just the way they're doing it

I don't understand the thinking that springing it on them helps them learn. How can they learn when they're being scared shitless and without any guidance?

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:31 PM

42. There are two reasons for the drills -

To teach children what to do - AND - to ensure that the plan they have can be carried out in the time they would be expected to have to do so. The former can be done with a warning - the latter cannot. Whether the spaces are adequate, the children understand the directions well enough to carry them out when they are nervous, whether people can assume whatver position they need to be in without advance warning, etc. can only be tested when the drill comes without warning.

I've been in education most of my life - and drills (of all sorts) are rarely announced. At most, we are warned there will be a (fire, tornado, active shooter) drill during the coming week.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:29 AM

44. In our family's case

 

The elementary school is secure.
An unclimbable fence around the entire school plus a parent volunteer outside every classroom door.



Active shooter drills are scaring kids and may not protect them.

Some schools are taking a new approach.
From calling them "buddy room drills" to making school psychologists available during the exercises, schools are trying to protect students ó physically and mentally.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna992941?__twitter_impression=true

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