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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 04:32 PM Sep 2019

NOAA holds barred. NOAA releases stinging letter re: Dorian political interference

https://www.research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2489/A-Message-from-Craig-McLean-Hurricane-Dorian-and-Exceptional-Service

A Message from Craig McLean: Hurricane Dorian and Exceptional Service

Dear Colleagues,

The fierce storm we know as Hurricane Dorian has concluded its ferocious path through the Bahamas and along the U.S. East Coast. Many of you have contributed to the excellent science that has underpinned the forecasts and current understanding of storms such as this one, which accelerated quite rapidly in intensity. The storm also presented challenges in track which improved with enhanced observations. We know that our collective work, from the scientists in the aircraft penetrating the storm, to the scientists deploying the glider picket line, to the modelers and folks working the physics of the storms, across OAR and in our CI'S, and across all NOAA Lines, we are working the problem in order to give the NWS forecasters the best tools we possibly can to keep America and our neighbors safe. Thank you.

During the course of the storm, as I am sure you are aware, there were routine and exceptional expert forecasts, the best possible, issued by the NWS Forecasters. These are remarkable colleagues of ours, who receive our products, use them well, and provide the benefit of their own experience in announcing accurate forecasts accompanied by the distinction of all credible scientists—they sign their work. As I'm sure you also know, there was a complex issue involving the President commenting on the path of the hurricane. The NWS Forecaster(s) corrected any public misunderstanding in an expert and timely way, as they should. There followed, last Friday, an unsigned press release from "NOAA" that inappropriately and incorrectly contradicted the NWS forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political. Our NOAA Scientific Integrity Policy and Code of Scientific Conduct make clear that all NOAA employees shall approach all scientific activities with honesty, objectively, and completely, without allegiance to individuals, organizations, or ideology. The content of this press release is very concerning as it compromises the ability of NOAA to convey life-saving information necessary to avoid substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. If the public cannot trust our information, or we debase our forecaster's warnings and products, that specific danger arises.

You know that the value of our science is in the complexity of our understanding, our ability to convey that understanding to a wide audience of users of this information, and to establish and sustain the public trust in the truth and legitimacy of that information. Unfortunately, the press release of last Friday violated this trust and violated NOAA's policies of scientific integrity. In my role as Assistant Administrator for Research, and as I continue to administratively serve as Acting Chief Scientist, I am pursuing the potential violations of our NOAA Administrative Order on Scientific Integrity. Thankfully, we have such policies that are independently cited as among the best in the federal community, if not the best. Your NOAA and OAR management and leadership team believes in these policies and principles. I have a responsibility to pursue these truths. I will.

Thank you for your continued excellent work, and your trust. Carry on.
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NOAA holds barred. NOAA releases stinging letter re: Dorian political interference (Original Post) Roland99 Sep 2019 OP
Thankfully, Wilbur Ross is probably napping or heads would be rolling. Marie Marie Sep 2019 #1
At least these scientists have more courage than "Sad Poodle"..... errrr I mean "Mad Dog"...... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2019 #2
I feel a twit tweet storm brewing! Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2019 #3
Like this durablend Sep 2019 #5
The Small Fingered Vulgarian nykym Sep 2019 #4
Excellent letter Midnightwalk Sep 2019 #6
Indeed gratuitous Sep 2019 #22
Clarity, indeed...... MyOwnPeace Sep 2019 #25
Thank you, NOAA cp Sep 2019 #7
love that the weather folk are fighting back Skittles Sep 2019 #8
And MAN do we need them to exactly that!! We HAVE TO be able to trust our weather forecasters. calimary Sep 2019 #14
they have to do it because Democratic leadership is..... Skittles Sep 2019 #20
Careful, Skittles......... MyOwnPeace Sep 2019 #26
yeah, I know all about that Skittles Sep 2019 #28
"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature" Roland99 Sep 2019 #19
Great but no way will trump read ..too long Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #9
This should receive 500 recs malaise Sep 2019 #10
Wilbur Ross getting a Bolton tweet from Cult45 would be just awesome! ffr Sep 2019 #11
By End of Week SayItLoud Sep 2019 #12
That would be incredibly sad, Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #30
How screwed up is this administration? Loge23 Sep 2019 #13
Kick dalton99a Sep 2019 #15
Excellent! BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #16
Methinks NOAA's press secretary, mcar Sep 2019 #17
This is how Moscow Mitch SCVDem Sep 2019 #18
This IS how our allies talk to him behind closed doors... Moostache Sep 2019 #36
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #21
This guy matt819 Sep 2019 #23
Mr. McLean and NOAA Peace06 Sep 2019 #29
Now it's time for the CDC to go rogue and start assessing gun violence statistics and effects. NBachers Sep 2019 #24
Yep! MyOwnPeace Sep 2019 #27
Love it! Fuck Trump. Carry On. That is all. n/t JBoy Sep 2019 #31
Kick for visibility. lamp_shade Sep 2019 #32
K&R Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #33
Powerful letter from Craig McLean gademocrat7 Sep 2019 #34
One day later, just got your title, duh. Very clever Roland!! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #35
lol Roland99 Sep 2019 #38
K&R bdamomma Sep 2019 #37
Time to send Don McLean a nasty tweet. n/t Harker Sep 2019 #39

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. Indeed
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 07:10 PM
Sep 2019

And, to other folks commenting on the political scene these days, see how easy it is to explain what happened in clear language: "this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political." Not, "appears to show" or "some people say" or some other mealy-mouthed locution. Call it what it is. If the subject of your reporting objects to your characterization, then publish that and explain why you stand by your original report.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
25. Clarity, indeed......
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 08:28 PM
Sep 2019

Probably won't be there long - SAD.

Too good for this government...............

Best of luck to you, sir. You have fought the noble fight!

cp

(6,626 posts)
7. Thank you, NOAA
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 05:04 PM
Sep 2019

We live in rural northern Wisconsin and trust NOAA to relay accurate weather forecasts. NOAA has always, and I mean always, come through for us, from tornadoes to snow storms to everything. We love NOAA.

This is a superb letter from Craig McLean.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
8. love that the weather folk are fighting back
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 05:05 PM
Sep 2019

this issue started as just another Trump lie but when he dragged in weather agencies, well, NO - the public has to be able to TRUST what we are being told about the weather. Sure, forecasters get it wrong but it's always in good faith - politicizing the weather is just plain WRONG

calimary

(81,220 posts)
14. And MAN do we need them to exactly that!! We HAVE TO be able to trust our weather forecasters.
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 05:51 PM
Sep 2019

HAVE TO!!!

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
20. they have to do it because Democratic leadership is.....
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 06:42 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Tue Sep 10, 2019, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)

well, I will leave it right there

malaise

(268,955 posts)
10. This should receive 500 recs
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 05:26 PM
Sep 2019

This is how professionals protect their institution - most excellent.
Rec with pleasure

ffr

(22,669 posts)
11. Wilbur Ross getting a Bolton tweet from Cult45 would be just awesome!
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 05:27 PM
Sep 2019

I hope to see scientists of all walks of life protesting this Russian, I mean Republican, regime in the streets with us soon.

American trust in our system of government must be restored!

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
30. That would be incredibly sad,
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 09:26 PM
Sep 2019

BUT he will be remembered for something that is completely absent elsewhere in this administration:

INTEGRITY.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
13. How screwed up is this administration?
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 05:45 PM
Sep 2019

When NOAA - NOAA!! - has to endure a week of nonsense over their most basic task, forecasting, because of ham-handed interference from not only the administration but the goddamn IPOTUS himself, you have to wonder just how far down the rabbit hole we are as a country right now.
Just incredible.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
36. This IS how our allies talk to him behind closed doors...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:42 AM
Sep 2019

It is why he is such a petulant child around them and around world events. His ego and narcissism simply cannot handle the truth - that he is a complete idiot in so far over his head that it would takes DECADES (if EVER) for him to ascend to the surface again.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
23. This guy
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 07:32 PM
Sep 2019

Is a hero. Sure, he sits behind a desk, but he and his “troops” save lives, and they do so with amazing professionalism and integrity. We should all be proud that there are federal employees like him.

Peace06

(248 posts)
29. Mr. McLean and NOAA
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019

Good message! This absolutely needed to be said! Such a welcome dose of integrity and professionalism. We don't see that in the trump administration.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
27. Yep!
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 08:34 PM
Sep 2019

Take the gag out of their mouths! There was another post earlier that said that New Jersey WAS sponsoring just such an investigation in conjunction with Rutgers University.
Hmmmm, must not be much NRA money going to New Jersey!

gademocrat7

(10,656 posts)
34. Powerful letter from Craig McLean
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:56 AM
Sep 2019

He is an intelligent, hard working man who takes his position as Acting Chief Scientist very seriously. His concern for public safety is a priority. Unlike the orange buffoon who doesn’t care about people’s safety and well being.

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