When will Pence jump ship -- if ever

[vlyons]

I know that Pence is not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but surely he knows that Trump's goose is cooked. Pence is probably up to his eyeballs in this mess. He's been such a loyal Trump ass-kisser, I await to see how he attempts to get out from under the on-coming mud slide.

[Me.]

1. He's Been Tied To The Mast

[JCMach1]

3. You are correct!

[phylny]

2. I think Pence is a follower, not a leader

He will suck at Trump's teat until it's dry, then he'll keep on sucking because he won't know what else to do.

[PJMcK]

4. How about this scenario I heard the other day

Trump loses the 2020 election and during the lame-duck period he pardons everyone in his administration. Then he resigns making Pence president. (Ugh!) Pence then issues a pardon for Trump. Then in January, the new Democratic president is sworn in.

[vlyons]

6. I can believe anything

because there are no boundaries and no bottom, when it comes to Trump

[onetexan]

22. he can't pardon himself, and certainly not the NY state charges coming at him

[PJMcK]

24. You're correct about NY State, of course

Trump has always worried about the thing in front of him at that moment. He is not a strategic or long-term thinker.

So, if he can beat any Federal charges, he lives for another day.

As a New York Democrat, I think our Attorney General, Lititia James, is going to take Trump down. I think she'll put his lying ass in jail.

[onetexan]

25. agree, James will certainly make sure he pays for his crimes. I like her tough style alot. She's

exactly what NY needed.

[Meadowoak]

5. Mother will tell him when it's appropriate to jump!

[Vinca]

7. I'm sure Mike and Mother will pray on it. Right after they pray for more kids in cages.

[Wellstone ruled]

9. Mike and Mother will be gone way before springtime.

To be replaced by Nikki Haley and whatever.

Watch Romney.

[Wounded Bear]

12. I don't think Haley will sign up...

She's smarter than that.

[Wellstone ruled]

14. Not,she wants the lead in this drama.

It will be a one act play that lasts till January of 2021.

[Wounded Bear]

16. Nope. IMHO, she has Romney fever...

she sees the Trump ship going down and is looking forward to be the "good" Repub in 2024.

She got out of working for Trump pretty clean. Why would she dive back in?

[Wellstone ruled]

18. Ego!!!!!

She suffers from the D.C. virus.

[mercuryblues]

19. Bingo

Nikki likes to represent herself as the voice of reason.

[MontanaMama]

27. Watch Romney as in

you think he might primary the MF? Or watch him how?

[Wellstone ruled]

28. As a replacment for Trump.

We are in Jerry Ford Country.

[MontanaMama]

31. Oh oh.

Never thought of that. It’s possible.

[Wellstone ruled]

32. Not to forget,

the RNC is run by Mitts Niece.

[dchill]

8. If he's up to this in his eyeballs (he is) then ...

he can't jump ship.

[sarge43]

10. Nope. Moron will dump him right before the convention.

He'll pick something/one even worse - his version of impeachment insurance. Just case he is reelected.

[tavernier]

11. Faster than a New York minute

Once he thinks Trump is finished.

[tableturner]

13. Pence is a contributor to this treachery....check out his comments after meeting w/Ukraine pres.

He's a key participant.....some Pence quotes from here (much more at the link):

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/pence-gave-ukraine-the-message-too

"Well, on the first question, the answer is no. But we — with President Zelensky yesterday, we discussed — we discussed America’s support for Ukraine and the upcoming decision the President will make on the latest tranche of financial support in great detail."

"But as President Trump had me make clear, we have great concerns about issues of corruption."

"But I called on him to work with us to engage our European partners to participate at a greater level in Ukraine, and also told him that I would carry back to President Trump the progress that he and his administration in Ukraine are making on dealing with corruption in their country."

Edited to add: HE'S GOING DOWN TOO!"

[Iterate]

15. No evidence Pence has ever had an original thought,

so no jumping. I get the impression he always stands in the middle of the elevator and waits for someone else to push the button.

[unblock]

17. If Donnie is removed, pence becomes president. He *can't* act like he wants that

Either he defends Donnie, or he goes radio silent. Those are the only options.

He simply cannot act like he's rooting to become president via impeachment.

[duforsure]

20. I think pence has already turned on trump,

And is talking, and getting offered a deal to not pardon trump , and step down after trump is forced out of office. He also knows trump wants him gone and replaced because he doesn't trust him either. Pence will get off to help trumps prosecution, not pardon him, and to help go after others close to trump.

[lunatica]

21. When god, I mean Mother,

Tells him to.

[yellowcanine]

23. Don't see how he can. Trumpers would crucify him.

His only hope is impeachment and removal, in which case he gets to be president until the Democrat wins in 2020. If he is not also forced out.

[customerserviceguy]

26. Why should he?

Trump gets impeached or resigns, he's President.

Or, if the ticket gets defeated next year, he's a front-runner for 2024.

And he's probably not a provable part of Trump's Ukraine shenanigans.

[lame54]

29. I don't know that Trump's goose is cooked...

Take NOTHING for granted

Many KNEW he wouldn't get the nomination
Many KNEW he wouldn't be president

These are the first steps of a long brutal journey

[Lib 4 Life]

30. no way. he thinks he'll be the next president.