Ryan's lie, much better than we think..He just defined himself to many.

[Stuart G]

We all know people who got a great deal. Good looks, physical strength, money, position, connections, fame etc...Ryan has that..
But it isn't enough..
..He goatta be a less than three hour marathoner. More, more. and More... People, who strive honestly, runners, swimmers, exercizers, all know how hard an achievement like that 3 hour marathon is. And he lied about it. And he knew it. Cause..the 3 hours is an achievement, the four is not.

It isn't enough to have what he has, so a week ago, he has got to lie..about nothing..a nothing thing..like someone else..

let us see..."Oh, I read them all." Remember? Ryan did this to himself, and he will be the but of jokes forever..and ever..great..
He will not be liked at all.

[Cha]

1. That was my thought... little Lyan has to lie about

nothing 'cause he's a pathological liar just like mitt.

Will the msm rage on it like they would if it were ANY Dem?

[malaise]

45. Lyan is a marathon LIAR

He's a long distance LIAR so he lies about any and everything. What a gift!

[Atman]

51. He cut through the park and the Subway of Lies.

He's the Rosie Ruiz of lies. Can't even tell the truth about the simplest things.

[malaise]

63. Hehehehehe

You Betcha

[Cha]

61. Oooeew... I like that Malaise!

May I start using it? Longer word but ever so pertinently au Courant!

[malaise]

62. All yours

[Cha]

65. Muchas

Gracias!

[malaise]

66. Thank Spanone for the Lyan part

which I borrowed

[burrowowl]

70. You nailed it

[yardwork]

2. I believe that the lie about the marathon will be the last straw for many people.

To lie about running a marathon in less than three hours when it actually took him more than four is going to be unforgivable in the eyes of many people.

The set-up were all his lies at the RNC, many of them actually pointed out by the media for a change. Now Ryan is identified in the minds of many people as a LIAR.

[Stuart G]

4. If this is reported fairly,,Ryan could be destroyed.

It is not just that he is a liar, but what unimportant crap to lie about.
For what is this about?..not necessary. He has so much, but he obviously is so little....everyone who exercizes at all, knows how long those workouts are. cause they are very difficult..So, he has to lie about the one race he ran..

What a small man.

[BlueStreak]

37. When you search the google machine for "Paul Ryan lies"

you get 137,000,000 results.

I'd say he has a little problem with the truth.

[renie408]

3. Yeah, that kind of lie shows him to be an egomaniacal douche. n/t

[ThoughtCriminal]

5. Kim Jong II's Golf Record

Some things are just stupid lies.

Yeah, that's the ticket...

[DearAbby]

6. Ask people you meet this:

Why would you trust a known liar to keep their word? Are you stupid or a racist? Pick one. It seems to be working for me.

Edit to add:

Once your name is attached to the word LIAR...no amount of money can clean that off. Think about it.

[malaise]

7. Lyan the marathon LIAR

I'm lovin' it. He's been lying a long time but this stupid lie will define him to the grave

[lumpy]

8. I don't know why people think Ryan is good looking. My idea of good looks is

Joe Biden, even though he is an older man. Also Biden's personna is much more appealing, and that counts much more.

[WinkyDink]

9. Because "no body fat" means "handsome" these days.

[alphafemale]

42. He looks like a freaky, bugeyed, lipless lizard

And a forky tongue is going to come poking out at any second.

shudder

I see nothing good looking in that frekzoid what-so-EVER!!!

[Freddie]

53. Agreed, he's not handsome to me

(I'm female)
Always preferred guys with a little meat on their bones!
Even if he didn't have the personality of a snake he would not be attractive IMO.

[blueamy66]

57. his ears are HUGE

[HooptieWagon]

10. Any chance he loses his house seat?

He left for DC right out of college, spends little time in his home district. Theres a good chance they don't really know him either. With the national media spotlight now on him, exposing him as a liar and fraud, is there a chance his congressional district votes him out?

[Panasonic]

48. He SHOULD be kicked out.

Janesville aren't too pleased with Ryan's GM lies...

[central scrutinizer]

11. "I invented the marathon", Paul Ryan

if this had been a Democrat, their career would be over.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

14. I thought of Gore first thing when this came out.

His exaggeration is used to beat him up to this day.

If we work this right, so will Ryan's be.

[lolly]

20. His "exaggeration" was exaggerated.

Rove's team of operatives kept tapes of everything Gore said at any time, any place, ever.

Then they pored over everything, looking for any possible mistake--an accidental substitution of one federal official for another, a date slightly but insignificantly wrong--and spoon fed the whole "serial exaggerator" meme to the press lock, stock, and barrel.

And they ate it up.

It was all part of the "attack your opponent at the strongest point." Before Rove's chicanery, Gore was known as so moral and upright that he was vaguely boring. So (just as he would later turn a genuine war hero into a treasonous imposter) Rove set out a strategy to completely undermine Gore's quite deserved reputation as an honest man.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

25. He succeeded in the eyes of many Americans to do just that.

Having already had the displeasure of seeing how Rove operated when he attacked Ann Richards in Texas, I wasn't surprised by his methods. What did surprise me was how the lie he created got our of control of the Democrats so quickly.

[bongbong]

36. small problem

> It was all part of the "attack your opponent at the strongest point."

That's the problem with attacking repigs for lying. It won't work, since they're well-known 24x7 liars.

[bigbrother05]

22. He didn't exaggerate, he was a leader in providing support for the Internet

In Congress he pushed legislation that supported the developments that led to what became the Internet. He listened to the military researchers and kept their funding for what seemed like a minor in house tech project. The folks credited with inventing the Internet have all said that Gore's support was critical.

They didn't build it alone. And Al Gore never said he invented it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

24. Yes, I know what was said and what was claimed.

I believe his words were along the lines of 'I took the initiative in creating the internet', or very close to that.

Which was sort of true, but its actual point of creation was up for a lot of debate. Which made it difficult to argue the point. Which led to people saying it was an exaggeration, which then led to the flat out lie of a meme stating he said he'd created the internet.

I get it. I know how it went down. I was right there every step of the ugly journey defending him. I still do to this day.

What he did say was much less of a lie than what Ryan said. Yet, it is still being distorted to this day. If we don't use Ryan's words to our advantage, we're passing up a huge opportunity.

[Zoeisright]

33. Gore did NOT lie.

Ryan, on the other hand, flat-out lies all the time. Do NOT use that word to conflate those two.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

39. Chill.

If that's all you got from what I said you're being unreasonable. I did not say Gore lied. I pointed out what Ryan said was more of a lie. If he'd not run the marathon at all it be a flat out lie. Instead he lied about his time to try and make him look cool. Which was stunningly stupid considering he's running for VP not prom king.

I also pointed out that what Gore said, was mostly true. His intentions were at least perfectly honest, that's for sure. It was just poorly worded which made it difficult to defend. It was then turned into something which he did not say at all. If they could do that to Gore, over what he said - WHICH WAS A POORLY WORDED TRUTH - why can't we do as much and more to Ryan? We have a lot more to work with in Ryan's case.

[WinkyDink]

58. What Ryan said was not "more of a lie"; it was a lie, period, no qualifications.

[Cosmocat]

26. This ALONE

set aside the 1,000 campaign and policy lies this pukebag has spewed.

If a D who never so much as exagerated once in office said this, he/she would be DEAD.

[BlueStreak]

38. "In calculating my marathon time, I used ...

the same rigorous standards that were used with my budget."

[ananda]

12. I don't find Paul Ryan good looking at all.

To me, he's creepy looking.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. He's always pulling those freaky faces.

Seriously, he's an odd looking duck when he's doing that. Which is most of the time.

I'm with you, creepy.

[lolly]

21. Well, as far as Zombie-Eyed Granny Starvers go..

I guess he's one of the better looking ones.

[BrainMann1]

13. The old GOP trick

keep telling lies, sooner or later people belive it. That was then, this is now. Don't believe the hype.

[Coyotl]

15. Photoshop this: Paul Ryan Lies

Thread just posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021250539

[Floyd_Gondolli]

17. That's what Lawrence O'Donnell missed

Wednesday night he was gushing about Ryan's power to essentially render Obama helpless in the face of his crafty language and half truths.

Thing is, it's a cumulative effect and the rep is starting to be established. Not saying it will decide the race, but it is something that is trending in Obama's favor. The marathon thing is just the type of lie that can resonate with people because it's very easy to understand.

[lolly]

18. Y'know, I would have been impressed about a 4-hour marathon

Heaven knows I will never run, or walk, a marathon. Not in 4 hours, not in 14.

So I guess, yeah, it's not enough for him to be better than the average guy at anything--he has to fudge his way into the elite.

Wonder how many papers he plagiarized in college?

[xtraxritical]

19. This duplicates many other threads that were better written.

IMO - sorry.

[WinkyDink]

55. WTH cares? All variations bear posting. Too bad you're so picky.

[eyewall]

23. It fits perfectly with the adolescent fantasy that is

Ayn Rand.

Ryan is a typical Randian twerp.

[Buzz Clik]

27. It wasn't a momentary lapse. Every person who has completed just one marathon knows their time.

You train for six grueling months and you know your projected time a full month before you run. Completing the run is a huge event, and your time becomes enormously important to you -- no matter how fast or how slow.

Four hours is not fast, but finishing is the key. When you trim over an hour off your actual time, it is a conscious decision to fabricate a lie to make yourself look good. ("Who will know? It was 20 years ago. We had to wait 2 hours for our times to be posted on a piece of paper.&quot

Yes, indeed. It was a defining moment.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

28. I like what they call him in Janesville, "LYING RYAN".

[BlueStreak]

29. I find the marathon lie more offensive than the others

You expect politicians to do a certain amount of lying. Usually it take the form of excerpting out of context, or stretching the truth. But these guys seem perfectly comfortable jut lying straight up as if the facts could not easily be checked. That is really troubling.

But I find the marathon lie even more troubling. I have never run a marathon. Far from it. One time, I did run 11 miles and it took me over 3 hours. Running a marathon in any amount of time is impressive. To do that requires a great deal of mental toughness and courage. There are lots of people who have done marathons in around 4 hours. That is a major achievement in my book.

To do a marathon in under 3 hours -- that starts to get in the area of world class. A person cannot possibly do that without intense training and a huge personal commitment. For Ryan to casually claim he ran a marathon in under 3 -- well, that is like saying "I rode a spaceship and walked on the moon" when actually he rode a bus to the shopping mall. Not even close.

How can a person say something so outrageous and not expect to get caught in their lies? And why lie about something that should be inconsequential. I understand why his political speeches are full of lies. If he told the truth, he would have no chance of getting elected. But why lie so badly about something so inconsequential?

That tells me Ryan is a person with a serious character problem, if not a clinical mental disorder -- a person not nearly qualified for high office. This is a person who has never held a significant job outside of his family business and his many terms in Congress on the government payroll. And he has never been seriously opposed in his Congressional races.

The upshot is that he has obviously never been held accountable for his words. It is not that he has an utter disregard for the truth. He doesn't even know how to tell the truth. The very concept of truth has no meaning to this man.

Romney knows the difference between truth and lies. That's why he is fighting so hard not to divulge his tax returns. Paul Ryan is far more dangerous to America's future than Mitt Romney.

[ibegurpard]

30. there are people like this

they lie about stupid things just to make conversation. I have no idea why...you can tell they're lying and they know they're lying so why do they it?
It actually bothers me more than someone who lies for a reason.

[coldbeer]

31. A three hour marathon used to be my goal

It used to be a qualification for the Boston Marathon.
I ran a 3 hour and 46 minute marathon after two years of training.
This was in 1984. To say you ran a two-fifty something is
a lie! We runners know. It is not an accidental mis-speak especially
for a twenty-year old! A sub 3 hour marathon is like a
three hundred batting average or gaining a hundred yards in
a game. Over four hours is an atta-boy and I have a few of
those. If I came home and said I ran a sub 3 hour marathon
I would be labelled a liar (for life)!

[Stuart G]

40. That is why this is going to stick...because..it is so petty...

It defines him...

I never got into a marathon...I could run a mile and a half.. and it took twenty minutes...that is ok...but I knew how long.
When I went to the gym, I worked out on a recumbant bike...and guess what...I knew how many minutes..I knew..
When I walked outside..I knew how long and about how far. Because we know..

I saw this quote from ABC News..here at DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014216016

it is going to stick with lots of people,,and it is getting good coverage..What you said above..is the truth.
Ryan doesn't care about it

We runners know. It is not an accidental mis-speak especially
for a twenty-year old! A sub 3 hour marathon is like a
three hundred batting average or gaining a hundred yards in
a game

[AngryOldDem]

47. Exactly.

A claim like this is so easy to check and debunk that even Ryan should have known better.

[yardwork]

50. Would you say that most runners will be disgusted by this particular lie?

Will it make a difference in their decision to vote or not vote for Romney and Ryan?

[Ebadlun]

32. Why not say 15 minutes?

It would be as plausible as his budget numbers.

[madrchsod]

34. did he think no one would check?

[gkhouston]

67. I've known people like this. They live in the moment.

They don't seem to think about the past or the future: there's an attitude that they can explain away anything as long as they keep talking.

[gkhouston]

35. +1. People who will dismiss discussion of the Ryan plan as "just politics" will get this. n/t

[Stuart G]

41. I believe you are correct...they will get this..more than the rest..

[Cass]

43. It was a strange thing to lie about but ultimately very revealing.

That little lie spoke volumes. He lied with ease just to do it. If he lies about something so inconsequential there's a pretty good chance he's lying about the big stuff, too.

[WinkyDink]

56. You have pegged the mark of the sociopath: Lying with ease and for fun.

[renegade000]

44. an understandable lie

i mean, only collectivists get above 3 hours on a marathon. he's got to save-face.

[Berlum]

46. Americans have given Republicans lots and lots of free passes on their lies

But maybe America has had enough of the Republican Forked Tongue crapola for now.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. Nobody likes a blow hard who lie about what a great athlete they are...

That's pretty basic. He lies about things like his marathon time. This will not play well.

[gulliver]

52. It violates the spirit of Sports.

There goes the gender gap. This needs to dog Ryan throughout the campaign.

[Historic NY]

54. If he lies over little things in life....what about SS, Medicare & the budget..

I post that earlier at HP.

[liberal N proud]

59. Lyin' Ryan!

[alterfurz]

60. "I worry that the story of Paul Ryan lying about his marathon time will overshadow the fact...

...that he's a sociopath." -- Andy Borowitz

LyinRyan's marathon tall tale + Dirty Chairy's debate debacle =



and for those who Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheAmazingFeatsOfPaulRyan

favorite so far: Paul Ryan still holds the world record for reading "Atlas Shrugged." He made it to page 93.

[Stuart G]

64. What is amazing is this..He had no thought that anyone could or would check up on him.

It would be another "quick" one that he was sure he could get away with. He was sure. No one would notice that one
sentence..or that anyone could go to the trouble to find out he was a liar. big time...It kinda came out so naturally. He couldn't
even imagine that someone could check it out. You don't think that the runners and swimers who strive for a little better time
will remember this jerk? Just look at the posts here and in other threads on this subject. We know our times. We know how much effort goes into something like a marathon.. He must be a pretty frequent liar not to think that there would be a proble with it..

Thank goodness he is so arrongant and stupid..

[sendero]

68. Exactly..

... these guys tell outright lies so often and GET AWAY WITH THEM they are probably surprised when they don't.

Someday, maybe in my lifetime, we'll have a functional fourth estate again and politicians will think twice before telling an outright lie.

In the mean time thank god for the internet.

And BTW, I heard another story recently about some new technology that would probably put more newspapers out of business. All I can say is YAY! 99% of them don't deserve to BE in business, they have failed in their main mandate which is to inform fairly.

[pwb]

69. He is a lying Catholic too.

He claims to follow Ayn Rand who was Jewish, and did not have one thought of Jesus teachings in her head. You are one all around phony man Paulie