Significant #Ukrainegate update 1. There's a SECOND call (April 2019)

[pbmus]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1177035675880820737.html


Significant #Ukrainegate update

1. There's a SECOND call (April 2019) in which:

Trump "urged Mr. Zelensky to coordinate with Mr. Giuliani and to pursue investigations of 'corruption' ... the details of which have not previously been reported."

Phone Call Showed Only a Slice of Trump’s Obsession With Ukraine
Since the 2016 campaign, the president has had an intense fixation on the country, which he believes is tied up in the origins of the special counsel’s investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html


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2. This earlier call in April is significant in how it fits into larger scheme and Timeline with Giuliani

Giuliani was running the project of getting the Ukraine to manufacture fake dirt on Biden.

Watch what happens next after that April call...
3.
April 21: Trump urges Ukraine Pres to coordinate with Giuliani

May 9: NYT scoop reveals Giuliani headed to Ukraine in effort to meet Ukraine Pres to discuss Biden dirt

In NYT, Giuliani suggests his pitch to Ukraine is help Trump personally, be in good with USG

But then...

4.
May 9-11: Zelensky REJECTS meeting Giuliani to discuss Biden dirt

So, Giuliani applies pressure...

May 11: Giuliani goes on national TV to say trip cancelled, because Zelensky is "surrounded by people who are enemies of the president."

5. So, in the July 25 phone call, when Zelensky introduces the idea of meeting Giuliani. ... that should be understood in the context of the full timeline, and Giuliani's earlier tactics.

For more details and sources, our @just_security Timeline:
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Timeline: Trump, Giuliani, Bidens, and Ukraine
A chronology of "Ukrainegate" and the Trump-Giuliani pressure on Ukraine to investigate former Vice President and 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden.
https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

[maxsolomon]

1. But, this comes from the NYT, and they're HORRIBLE

I had to cancel my subscription today because of DU peer pressure!

[asiliveandbreathe]

2. As Rachel suggested in a tweet today..info from May 2018

The last time Ukraine sought US anti-tank missiles, they appear to have believed that the cost of getting those Javelins included...

dropping four Paul Manafort investigations that dovetailed with the Special Counsel's work... and allowing Konstantin Kilimnik to flee to Russia (out of the reach of US law enforcement)."

[pbmus]

3. Bingo

[yonder]

4. As most accounts of tRuump suggest, he can't let go of a grudge, wrongly held or not:

"...intense fixation on the country, which he believes is tied up in the origins of the special counsel’s investigation."

Like a Gila Monster. Poisonous, tenacious bite and wont let go; beady eyes, odd skin and....Orange.