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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:32 AM

Anybody else worried that Kasich may be the GOP nominee.

Hear me out before you poo poo 💩 the idea.

What if the big money/power/Murdochís/etc. decide that Trump canít win in November 2020.
What if they decide to have the needed 20 GOP Senators vote for impeachment.
What if they get it done in time for someone like Kasich to get on enuf GOP primary ballots to get their nomination.

We know that Americans have very short memories and many might not blame the GOP for Trump.
The Never Trumper Republicans would all flock back to their party.
Someone like Kasich (who the media will hail as a pragmatic moderate uniter midwesterner from the bellwether state of Ohio) could make the race suddenly competitive.

Thatís why I donít want the House to wrap this up by Thanksgiving.
Letís stretch it out until early 2020, after the primaries have already started.

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Reply Anybody else worried that Kasich may be the GOP nominee. (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 OP
NCLefty Sep 2019 #1
Cicada Sep 2019 #2
OrlandoDem2 Sep 2019 #3
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #7
zeusdogmom Sep 2019 #55
Ms. Toad Sep 2019 #67
lindysalsagal Sep 2019 #4
Freddie Sep 2019 #8
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #9
DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #14
OrlandoDem2 Sep 2019 #29
MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #32
uponit7771 Sep 2019 #33
StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #50
whathehell Sep 2019 #53
Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #5
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #10
Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #11
Dorian Gray Sep 2019 #6
Jarqui Sep 2019 #12
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #15
BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2019 #13
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #16
DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #17
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #18
Polybius Sep 2019 #72
mnhtnbb Sep 2019 #19
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mnhtnbb Sep 2019 #21
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Mike Nelson Sep 2019 #22
klook Sep 2019 #23
samnsara Sep 2019 #24
Arkansas Granny Sep 2019 #25
empedocles Sep 2019 #26
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #27
empedocles Sep 2019 #30
TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #34
HopeAgain Sep 2019 #28
empedocles Sep 2019 #31
Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #35
Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #39
Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #47
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Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #71

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:46 AM

1. He feels like such a weenie to me. I don't see it.

n/t

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:48 AM

2. Trump cultists will stay home

If Trump doesnít run,Repub turnout will be low

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:48 AM

3. He's a dangerous GOPer. He acts moderate, and the media has bought into it,

but he agrees with everything Trump has done.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:56 AM

7. Yes.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:54 AM

55. Nailed it

See Ohio as an example

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:55 PM

67. That's not accurate.

For one, he went around the Republican legislators in Ohio to ensure that Ohio adopted the expanded Medicaid program. Since Trump wants to dismantle it - that's a significant difference.

He also vetoed the most extreme anti-abortion laws that the current governor has signed.

I certainly don't want him as president - but is is more moderate than Trump, and does not agree with everything Trump has done.

(I live in Ohio.)

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:50 AM

4. HOnestly he wouldn't be a horrible president. I think he spews the xtian mean stuff

to make his base happy: He seems too swift to actually impose his views on everyone. He would appoint really rw judges, however.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:57 AM

8. Other than hating women

Heís not a bad guy.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:57 AM

9. The fact that you feel that way should scare the Dems.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:04 AM

14. Just look at some of the laws passed in Ohio

if you think he wouldn't be a "horrible president".

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:40 AM

29. It's all about the SCOTUS!! We must not allow another GOPer to occupy the WH!!

And we need to take the Senate.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:55 AM

32. Oh for fucks sake.

He would be just as much a nightmare as any Republican. Our democracy cannot survive another Republican term.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:00 AM

33. Spewing xtian mean stuff ... IS ... horrible

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:39 AM

50. He's horrid

He would be a disaster. Don't be fooled by his "aw schucks" demeanor.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:24 AM

53. He's a Union Buster...

It was his first major action as Ohio Governor...It was overturned at the polls and by a million signature petition.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/john-kasich-2016-far-right-213673

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:55 AM

5. A whole lot of

What ifís there......

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:58 AM

10. True...but I'm a worst case scenario guy since November 2016.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:00 AM

11. I understand but I really

Donít care who or what the GOP picks for a candidate.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:56 AM

6. That would be inherently smart

for the GOP. I'm sure that's crossed Mitch's mind. But he has to throw raw meat to the Trumpy types, and jumping too fast will push them all away. So, while I think that could happen (and honestly it should happen if any republicans are honest about the criminality and disaster that the trump presidency has been!), I don't know if they can do it fast enough to make a real dent in the 2020 electoral process.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:01 AM

12. I think the GOP want Biden so that they can offer

a new candidate who represents change in Washington

Kasich does not represent that

A lot of folks won't blame the new candidate for Trump - even though many of us around here feel the GOP enabled Trump

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:04 AM

15. They at least want a Prez nominee that would help save the Senate.

They must hang on to gop senate spots in purple places like Maine, Colorado, Arizona, Maine.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:03 AM

13. I see him or Nikki Haley being that kind of problem.

Actually Iíd find Haley even more worrisome than Kasich. I see her as the eventual first female President.

If Тяцмр does leave one way or the other, his base will revolt against the party. Theyíll see Kasich as a RINO, they love all the ugliness Тяцмр brings to the table but theyíll absolutely fawn over Haley. And so will many of the target voters we need to bring back into the fold.

I agree that we need to thread the timing needle.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:05 AM

16. A Kasich/Haley ticket scares me 😱 honestly.

I love your Russian spelling of Trump. Funny 😄.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:05 AM

17. Weld's much more of a threat

imho.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:06 AM

18. Too boring. Low energy. Looks old.

Plus, heís my favorite gop person. Which makes me think conservatives hate him.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:02 PM

72. Way too liberal for the GOP

He's not even a moderate. It would be like Zell Miller getting the Democratic nomination for President in 2004.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:12 AM

19. No, I think it will be Romney

riding in to save Republicans.

He's been there. Seasoned. Can put together a campaign team quickly. Considered moderate. Fundies will love him

It's Romney that worries me.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:14 AM

20. He's my second biggest concern. Romney/Haley is also scary.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:15 AM

21. That is a scary combo and very possible.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:27 AM

36. Me too. He's chomping at the bit for it, and will campaign as the moderate...

to put it all back in order.

That could work. Bad as it may be, though, it's still better than another Trump term.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:16 AM

22. Yes...

... if the primary Republican voters got smart and nominated him, we'd be in big trouble. He would pick a moderate female VP and "save the country." Hopefully, the Deplorables won't let this happen!

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:21 AM

23. Kasich won one primary (his home state) in 2016.

His policies would be about as bad as Trump's, but he doesn't inspire the Deplorables.

If the electorate weren't so polarized, he might have a chance. But as several pollsters and political analysts have pointed out, there are very few actual swing voters any more.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:26 AM

24. as long as hes not crazy

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:31 AM

25. Actually, no. In the first place, unless Trump is impeached, I think the Trumpers would

would sit this one out if Trump isn't the nominee. That would be good for the Democratic nominee.

Secondly, if Trump is successfully removed from office, I want a Republican candidate who is not batshit crazy. Kasich may espouse a lot of right wing policies, but he is at least competent for the job if he were to win.

While I think any of the Democratic candidates would be preferable, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in our election security, since very little has been done to protect it. For that reason, I want the Republican nominee to be a capable person who will keep the best interests of our country in mind and can win back the trust of our allies.

That being said, we need to whip the socks off the Republicans at every level of government. We have our work cut out for us.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:36 AM

26. Yes, worry here. A moderate 'con can beat a too progressive Dem.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:38 AM

27. How about this scenario.

Warren/Booker vs Kasich/Haley.

I think we win but I will readily admit that Biden/Harris would win by a bigger margin.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:48 AM

30. I really like the idea of an EW intellectual in the WH. Also like a sharp, charismatic

Harris, and so articulate Bute.

However, pragmatically, feels sure that we need Biden to not only ensure against trump or a 'con, but also for down ticket support to get things done. I really liked the Obamas, [daughter worked for Michelle, good people], but, [this is politically incorrect on DU], Biden would have gotten much more done than Obama if elected in 2008. [No tea party racist fires, stronger in Congress and out there support].

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:22 AM

34. Or Romney/Haley. I can't believe there is enough support in the GE for anyone who seems too "left"..

so a seeming moderate Republican will walk away with it.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:38 AM

28. Time works to Trump's advantage

Mueller's investigation proved that. American people have the attention span of gnats. We need to strike hard and fast before the outrage goes away.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:51 AM

31. Agree about short gnat attention span and the news cycle. However,

trump is self-destructive - as well as republicon party destructive. trump support is slowly eroding.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:24 AM

35. I think it'll be Rick Scott

Scott can self finance until the donor machine gets cranked up.

Kasich is relegated to an office on a small liberal art's college campus just north of Columbus, where he can be seen shuffling around campus in old worn slippers, mumbling to himself incoherently.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:38 AM

39. Oh No, I'd rather have Trump. Scott is smarter and more evil.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #39)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:53 AM

47. Yes he is. He would be focused and deadly.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:34 AM

37. if kasich was sitting in the WH today instead of trump we would not have the mess we have

nor would he be a puppet of Putin

The rightwightwing side/trump supporters would never go with Kasich

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:37 AM

38. What if ice cream cured cancer?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:39 AM

40. Wind mills cause it.....so....

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:44 AM

41. Nope, not one bit.

America cannot afford one more day of Donald Trump.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:46 AM

42. KAsich has no support among Republican base voters.

 

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:47 AM

43. Kasich is a racist pig just like trump ..

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:47 AM

44. He has the charisma of a turnip

So, no...outside Ohio (which has its own odd culture about Republicans) Kasich hasn't much of a base to build on.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:48 AM

45. I truly don't have that level of worry in me.

 

Kasich would be great for us. It would be like Manchin running away with our primary. It would intensify the fight between them.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:51 AM

46. no. i'd look for cruz

or even Rubio first.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:07 AM

48. That's a very real concern to me, although I think it would be a Haley, Romney, Huntsman type.

We've been running so hard against trump -- and rightly so -- that such a move could change the calculation of who is the best Democratic candidate.

But, I don't think we should stretch it out. Get him now and adapt.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:21 AM

49. Just turned on CNN. guess who is on. John Kasich.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:42 AM

51. trump will be the nominee, but we will be victorious

According to my sources.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:58 AM

52. Not really

Especially since the Republicans appear to be cancelling primaries and caucuses

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:29 AM

54. The nominee would be Pence by default

Doubtful the GOP could get their shit together in time in order to put in any electable candidate.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:29 AM

56. pretty sure nominee won't be trump. he is self destructing. he is probably

holding public gop congressional support together with threats and blackmail to take down the party and its leadership...and that wears thin with each embarrassment and outrage.

I've always thought that one reason for gop silence must be that they have a plan to get through... they must have a Trump backup plan B and C that allows them to reasonably fight for the WH and senate while somehow rehabbing the gop (because dems will let them recover instead of kicking them while down). Can't know exactly what that is but we might find out soon. Does the gop really want to hear the LONG list of Trump/GOP misconduct over the next 13 months? Do they really want to say over and over that potus can't be investigated?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:40 AM

57. Not at all

He would never get past Cruz or Hailey.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:10 AM

58. We should have such a problem.

Seriously. That by definition means neither Trump nor Pence would be President past January 2020. First things first

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:16 AM

59. Filing deadlines are coming up!

Texas filing deadline in Dec 9

Here are some other states. Not sure what all of it means. Some say general election, some say all parties etc.

https://www.politics1.com/calendar.htm


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Response to elocs (Reply #60)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:56 AM

64. Made you say poo poo 💩 Don't you feel 😜 silly

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:24 AM

61. No. Trump will take down the GOP with him

Trump is a vindictive bastard, and has no loyalty to anyone, let alone the GOP. If he is ousted, he will do whatever he can to sabotage the GOP candidate, including getting his followers to turn on them.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:26 AM

62. Why worry?

With the job of branding the guy they have now has done, we could probably run a warm 6-pack of lite beer against Kasich - or anybody else wearing the scarlet "R" - and win. Cover the basics of making sure we don't fall for the next round of Russian disinformation, and GOTV dammit, don't get cocky about it, I think that warm 6-pack is way more reliable and trustworthy

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:48 AM

63. Yes, he troubles me greatly n/t

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:06 PM

65. Nope

Trump's base hates Kasich for dissing The Donald every chance he gets. They'll be satisfied with Pence.

Also, stretching this out until primary season is underway takes attention away from our candidates.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:02 PM

68. No. At this point the GOP's best option is try to help Spanky

limp across the finish line. If they try to replace him with another nominee the MAGAt base may revolt and not show up to vote. I think the GOP will see this possibility as too big a risk. They are better off to just keep ramping up the propaganda and try to stir up the MAGAts into a feeding frenzy. If they cave now they can only weaken themselves more than they already are.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:04 PM

69. He could be beaten in a normal election

He'd have to run by condemning so much of Republican behaviour over the past 4 years that most of the deplorables wouldn't vote. It's not as if he's a greatly-admired politician; just a Never Trumper.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:07 PM

70. Why would Trump's base vote for Kasich?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:14 PM

71. Even though they love Trump, they hate Democrats even more.

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