Men on rape cartoon

[Quixote1818]

This rings so true to me!



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[Bonobo]

1. I guess that guy is "mansplaining"... nt

[loli phabay]

2. problem is that there needs to be dialogue between everybody if you want to solve it

both male and females need to engage and work together.

[Quixote1818]

3. As a man who knows nothing about what women really go through

I kind of think men should stay out of most women's health issues. Just as women probably should not decide if men's foreskin should be chopped off.

[loli phabay]

5. so i guess that rape isnt a guy problem then, go figure

kinda figured that men need to be engaged in the conversation if stuff is to change.

[Quixote1818]

8. I agree with you 100% on a dialog about the pains of rape

but when it comes to the aftermath I think men need to step back. Rape is pretty simple though. Whenever I have been told to stop I have stopped immediately! No ifs, ands or buts about it.

[niyad]

4. do you really think dialogue is possible between women, and the kind of thinking represented

in that cartoon?

[loli phabay]

6. weoll probuably not with the person who did the cartoon if thats how they look at it.

no idea how you think the problem will get solved without talking and engaging the whole spectrum of both male and female thinking.

[niyad]

9. how do you talk to a todd akin, a paul ryan, or their followers about rape? seriously, if you have

any ideas, I would love to hear them.

[loli phabay]

11. probuably the wame way you would have to talk to the other extremes, no one says it would be easy

but its something that needs to have everyone involved in or its just a sticking plaster.

[niyad]

12. I just do not see how to begin a dialogue with a mindset that basically does not even regard

us as human.

[liberal_at_heart]

7. We're a long, long way away

from having a real conversation about rape in this country. There are just some things that can't be talked about rationally in this country; race, gender, sexual identity, violence, money, politics, religion. The bigger problem is that we have a tolerance issue. We cannot tolerate anyone different than ourselves and feel we have the right to tell everybody we disagree with that their opinion is invalid and does not count. You can even see that on this website. So no I don't think we are going to see a real conversation about rape in this country.

[niyad]

10. certainly not within the foreseeable future

[sibelian]

15. Why? What are the issues that need discussed and resolved?

Rape and its consequences seem like a pretty open and shut case to me.

[jimlup]

13. A sexist cartoon which implies that men don't have responsible positions on rape.

false and anti-male. Not all men share these positions but the cartoon certainly doesn't give that possibility.

[sibelian]

16. I understand, but I think you're over-reacting.

I don't get the impression from this cartoon that it's an attempt to encapsulate a representative spectrum of male opinion opr that it wants to be taken as such. I certainly wouldn't expect any woman I've ever met to think men only come in these flavours.

Is it the "it's man talking time" comment that's annoying? I think a few years ago it would have been with me.

[jimlup]

17. Maybe but...

If an equivalent cartoon with the gender roles reversed were posted it would have almost instantly been hidden as misogynist.

[sibelian]

18. Would it? Even if it did, I don't think that necessarily means this one's misandrist

primarily because I don't know that the "reversed" version would necessarily be misogynist.

And, actually, I can't imagine a cartoon with the gender roles reversed ever actually existing. I'm trying to think of a gender-role switched version and I can't think of a subject that would work. Women are very unlikely to say they can speak authoratively about male rape. There are one or two on this board who might snarkily post something along the lines of "rape's all about you, now is it?" (probably not even that) but I can't imagine any women actually going through the whole palaver that's going on in this cartoon, though we've seen and heard a bunch of guys pontificating foolishly about rape. I do think that there is such a thing as socially acceptable misandry, and it should be made to go away, but it isn't really symmetrical to or congruent with misogyny. It has it's own special kind of fucked up-ness that comes from a completely different set of brain-farts from misogyny, I think...

[upaloopa]

14. What does "rings true to me" mean? Do you think that cartoon represents most men's view of rape?

Men have wives and daughters and female friends. They don't exit as some sub species all to their own.

Sure there are ignorant men but no man I know thinks like that. No man I know would apply that attitude to their wife or daughter if they were raped.


Tod Akin is the exception not the rule.

[riderinthestorm]

19. There are DU men right now on a different thread telling me, a woman, I don't know rape

That I don't have the authority to determine if my consensual sex is actually rape or not and that he, and others, know better. Furthermore, that this is a GOOD thing for society.

Thanks for this cartoon Quixote.