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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Mueller Report was a Referral for Impeachment.
Mueller said as much in the report and his testimony, as he was not able to either charge or absolve MF45. Because of the DOJ policy that no sitting president can be indicted it was not a prosecutory case, there could be no binary choice. Impeachment is the only remedy.
I know many of us were disappointed (understatement) in the outcome of what was our only hope for a very long time. Mueller's halo was tarnished and some of us wondered if he was maybe failing in health, or maybe on MF45's side. We scratched our heads and tried to move on, as we endured the insufferable gloating of MF45.
Ever since the Ukraine scheme broke, I've been thinking a lot about Mueller and that 400 page report his investigation produced. A document that Congress and the public have still not yet seen unredacted. A document that is so detailed most Americans have no interest in attempting to read it (redacted). 400 pages of evidence.
I'm now getting a clearer picture of what Mueller did, despite the handicap he had, while still trying to do his duty to this country. We know that Rosenstein was not a friend. We know that Barr twisted the report to exonerate MF45. Mueller said nothing.
Perhaps he knew, as Nancy Pelosi did, that eventually, Trump would impeach himself. He certainly gave him the rope.
It's all going to come out, all of it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I would be very disheartened. Work on something for years and people don't even read it.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)more succinct with a boom boom boom itemization summary. Or we could have done that. But despite all that, maybe he gave us everything he could at that moment? Given obstruction. Mark it down in history as one of those things that you would pick for knowing the whole truth about. For some people (like him)...chain of command trump's everything else. Damn chain of command!
coti
(4,612 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)outrage and declaration that there were impeachable acts, only to see nothing day after day after day. Luckily for all, trump did something else that was deemed worse.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)bluestarone
(16,853 posts)Congress needs to do theirs! That was what he was hoping!
Takket
(21,528 posts)and collusion will eventually be proven. were it not for the obstruction, mueller would have been able to prove collusion, and were it not for the cloak of the presidency and the DOJ memo, he would have indicted for obstruction. congress is going to keep working on this as impeachment inquiry moves forward, and someday it will be proven in a court of law.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)reasoning to let trump and his campaign off the hook for the trump tower meeting (reasoning that trump Junior was too stupid to have the intent necessary to break the law), Manafort giving polling data to Ruskies (poor Mueller couldnt come up with a value for the data), and something like 18 other allegations where Mueller specifically said that the investigation found no evidence.
It is too late for the Mueller Report to be effective in an Impeachment, other than Oh, yeah in addition to the Ukrainian shakedown, welcoming future foreign interference in our elections, we remind you of shady dealings in the Mueller Report and the trump admins Obstruction of the investigation that likely covered up other crimes.
As far as Im concerned, Mueller is no different from anyone else who supports or covers for trump.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But knew it was really collusion...just couldn't prove? By couldn't meaning he didn't have the hard evidence or was told to squelch?
The Ukraine deal demonstrates so well that trump et al had the propensity to have been deep into the Russian rigging. It would have to be 1 in a trillion odds that he wasn't complicit in it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I dont doubt trump was involved in Russian interference. But Mueller said, over and over, he found no evidence of conspiracy, cooperation, collusion, whatever one wants to call it. In one place he meekly stated that obstruction might have hidden some facts. Every time he said he found no evidence implicating trump or his campaign, he should have said explicitly that trumps obstruction LIKELY obscured the evidence. But he didnt.
marble falls
(56,996 posts)inform the impeachment proceedings starting to finally happen
UTUSN
(70,641 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)- to impeach Trump. Long ago. This "we had to wait until now" is revisionist history and complete bullshit. Sorry. We've all ALWAYS known who this guy is.