Do you think it is possible trump will go to jail, at some point?

[mysteryowl]

I think he would be the first American president to be imprisoned if you did.

[Karadeniz]

1. I sure hope so!

[underpants]

2. No

Having held the office gives one certain levels of consideration

[mysteryowl]

3. It has happened in other countries.

[enough]

5. Not here. NT

[Newest Reality]

6. I tend to agree he should...

However, this is about the office itself, not him.

He has already despoiled it enough. Even though he is despicable, putting him in prison after holding the office has negative ramifications and that is why it is not very likely.

There was a time when Presidents who were out of office could actually go broke and live in poverty, so we made sure they had a rather generous, lifetime pension for the same reason. It is a matter of decorum.

[woodsprite]

12. He didn't really hold the office. He stole it. nt

[kwolf68]

4. He should, I hope, I doubt it

Too often the shittiest of the shitty avoid accountability.

[tblue37]

7. I doubt it, but hope springs eternal. nt

[yellowcanine]

8. If he somehow exposes the whistle blower I think he might.

That would in essence be trying to get the guy killed by one of his minions.

[gulliver]

9. I doubt it.

Huge fines, disgrace, convictions, yes. Jail time doesn't seem likely to me.

[jcgoldie]

10. Gotta find a jury with no redhats

Seems like that would be hard when he's at 40% approval still even after all the bullshit he's said and done.

[Poiuyt]

11. No

It would be too much of an embarrassment for the United States. We're perfect and don't elect criminals to be president, ya know.

[Garrett78]

25. Not putting him in prison would be more embarrassing.

But I agree that it's highly unlikely he'll be imprisoned.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. I wish.

Unfortunately some kind of deal will be cut.

Even though a Presidential Pardon from his successor doesn't protect him from state charges, (and I'm under the impression the State of New York is pursuing various things) I suspect that deals will still be cut. Too bad.

Of course, I've always said that it's a shame Richard Nixon didn't die in jail. He certainly should have.

[gopiscrap]

14. No I don't think he will ever see the inside of a jail cell

too much craziness could happen....I think that by the time the investigation is completed, the country will be so glad to see him go that there will be a negotiated agreement to have him slink off. Doesn't mean he won't be fined.

[Tipperary]

15. Nah.

[Cicada]

16. I doubt prosecutors will want that

He is a criminal but jailing him might cause violence

[Duppers]

41. Yet, not sufficient reason to negate justice, imo.

[Cicada]

57. I prefer not to give wasps reasons to leave their nest

The best way to marginalize these creeps may be to ignore them

Most Trump supporters are angry old white men. I think we should just let them die off.

[Duppers]

58. Well, I'm an old coot (cootess) who wants justice.

There are criminals in jail who've committed less crimes than has tRump.

If this is a country of laws, then no man should be above the law.
Therefore, why should tRump not do time?

I do not care if "it divides the country." It's already divided and that's just code for "we don't want to upset right wingers"
After the way they've lied? "Buffalo bagels" to quote Col. Potter.

No wonder they think we wear our pants under our armpits.


See post #23 below for EXCELLENT & articulate reasoning.

[at140]

17. Not before Jan 21, 2021....

That is the day he leaves office and will be handcuffed as he exits WH.

[Thekaspervote]

18. I wish... but will settle for him and his ilk being penniless

[Nitram]

19. I think it is highly likely Trump will be indicted, prosecuted, and jailed once he is out of office.

[mysteryowl]

20. Sounds good to me.

[fescuerescue]

48. The same was said of George W

Now, no one even talks about him. He lives out his days making paintings apparently.

It's a certainty that Trump will live out his life in a luxurious penthouse, protected by the secret service.

Meanwhile we will be busy dealing with an even worse Republican threat until some random day when we learn that Trump passed away - at which time DU will erupt in joy untll we return to bemoan how much worse things have gotten.

History repeats.

[Nitram]

51. Senator, I knew George Bush, and Trump is no George Bush.

[fescuerescue]

53. I love that quote

I remember seeing/hearing it live and I'm happy to see it become a cultural icon.

But there was a time when we were obsessed with getting W out, and virtually everyone agreed he was worse than Nixon, worse than any other Republican in history. Worse than any other human in history except for Hitler of course.

Recent events always seem to be more dramatic. It's one of our more persistent cognitive biases.

Nonetheless, while I agree though Trump is far worse than W, his fate will be similar.

Someday there will be a new Republican President. That's a decade out at least. And I promise you. He will be worse than Trump.

[exboyfil]

54. Thing is Trump has somewhat compromised

that situation by going after Clinton even after the election. Before it is done he will be calling for Obama to be in prison (if he hasn't already - I can't keep up).

Same can be said about him going after Biden a former VP.

[912gdm]

21. never.

he will always remain a highly protected national security asset treated with kid gloves.

if he does end up shooting someone on Pennsylvania Avenue, he would get house arrest in his tacky gold plated cage

[Polybius]

22. In a private cell maybe

Certainly not in a regular jail.

[mysteryowl]

30. America's 10 Cushiest Prisons

https://www.forbes.com/2009/07/13/best-prisons-cushiest-madoff-personal-finance-lockups_slide/

Or...

He could be imprisoned in his gold home castle.

[not_the_one]

23. Some of the responses to this thread are disgusting.

Let's just go ahead and give the fuck up. Some here are already putting out there that, unfortunately, nothing is going to happen, while others are saying up front that it's not worth it.

This is EXACTLY what he wants to hear.

It will happen if we insist that it happens. The man has shit on the constitution and is actively working, successfully, with a foreign adversary to tear this country apart. And we tsk, tsk, saying the price is too high.

Afraid of a little violence? The cowards need to get out of the way. The tree of liberty will die just as soon from lack of watering, as someone taking an ax to it (which is exactly what HE is doing to it)...

Sorry, but the new America lite, with fascism masquerading as a democracy, is not an acceptable option.

[fescuerescue]

49. We gave up with W too

This will be no different.

[Duppers]

59. Totally agree. Excellent commentary!!

Thank you!

See my inarticulate response above. I tried.

[Enoki33]

60. Totally agree. Either we are a nation of laws, or one of contradictions.

[rufus dog]

24. If we are going continue to be a Nation held up throughout the world....

He has to go to jail

[CentralMass]

28. That ship has set sail.

[Skittles]

26. no

[Hoyt]

27. No. Any jury will have at least one white winger to hang it, at least for political crimes.

Just get him out of office, and let him die a miserable old loser who had a chance to make a positive difference in the world. Hope his kids (Barron gets a break) are similarly ruined.

[hibbing]

29. Never n/t

[SuprstitionAintthWay]

31. Possible? Yes, it is possible.

If I had to put money on it I'd bet the other way: It's not very likely to happen.

But it's something I still like to hope for. My gosh, just the relief of him not having access to twitter in his post-presidency life... can you imagine?

A lot of things never happened before, until the first time they do. What a wonderful bit of unprecedented American history that would be.

Oh, and remember, we DID imprison the ex-president of the Confederacy. If Trump keeps talking up civil war if he gets impeached... well, he won't get his war. But he will improve our chances of locking him up. There's a whole lot of drama to play out in the next year or so; a lot of things can happen...

[Meowmee]

32. I hope so

I would just be happy if he is out of office at this point. There are so many others that need to be held accountable as well.

[LuckyCharms]

33. No, but I can see him and his family being stripped of their assets. n/t

[Duppers]

40. That would be lovely.

All of his assets.

[PurpleThinker]

34. Hopefully yes!

Although I doubt that he will be removed from office, and so not be punished in that way, I think (and would even prefer) that once he's out of office he will be indicted, arrested, tried, found guilty, and jailed. Once out of office, he will no longer have the protection his power has provided him (by using his approval or disapproval to threaten Republican politicians' jobs). I just hope his sentence is for a long time and includes a huge financial penalty, too!

[canetoad]

35. I don't think so

The amount of time the process would take would be (hopefully) longer than his remaining years.

[Duppers]

39. Disagree

I wish he could die in prison.

[WePurrsevere]

36. Only if NYS finds enough to prove his guilt to 12 jurors...

Federal crimes are very likely to be pardoned by Pence the moment Trump leaves office, a la Ford, if not before since Trump thinks he can pardon himself and I'm not sure the majority of the current SCOTUS would disagree.

[NCLefty]

37. Depends on the crime(s) and who is willing to prosecute them.

They might cut a deal if he admits guilt or something, could get probation and community service... large fine... idk...

It would be great to see him cleaning up trash on the side of the road, jailed or not.

[Fyrefox]

42. Hope springs eternal, but...

In all likelihood, Trump will never see the inside of a prison, but will spend the rest of his life defending himself and his "record," despised and reviled by many but a cult figure to the lunatic fringe...

[Codeine]

43. Less than zero chance. nt

[OnDoutside]

44. It should, but no. I'm sure he'll play the dementia card at some stage though.

[Johnny2X2X]

45. I doubt it, but maybe

Trump is corrupt and he's a crook. He's stealing from the treasury in ways none of us could imagine. If it becomes clear that he stole billions from veterans for himself and the proof is undeniable, I could see the country wanting him in prison and the justice department following through on it.

Trump is corrupt in every action he takes, everything he is involved in as President is in some way illegal and a way to enrich himself, his family, or his loyalists. I truly believe that will be his lasting legacy, that decades from now the experts will still be uncovering ways that they stole from the treasury.

[fescuerescue]

46. Only if he commits a violent crime after leaving Whitehouse

The reality is that Presidents are pretty much immune for any sort of "white collar" crime.

After he leaves the Whitehouse, interest in prosecuting him will fade away rapidly. Instead we will be dealing with a new threat that we should have saw coming but didn't.

We saw the same with George W Bush. How many posts have you seen recently advocating for him to be tried at the Hague? How many did we see in 2007? How many George W posts were even made in the last week?

After W left, we then had to deal with a obstructionist Republicans and W quickly faded from view or care.

It will be the same with T.

[TidalWave46]

47. No. He will be viewed as a non flight risk.

The man has one day to a couple of years before a major coronary event.

He will be charged once he leaves office with many crimes. His lawyers will be able to employ delay tactics until Trump dies or becomes incapacitated. He won't be held in prison to await trial because he won't be viewed as a flight risk or immediate threat to others.

[MineralMan]

50. Anything's possible, but that's highly unlikely.

As far as I know, no US President has ever served any jail time after being President. It's easy to argue that some should have, but there's tradition on the side of not imprisoning former Presidents. Right or wrong, we just don't do that, really.

[exboyfil]

56. Trump ignores tradition and precedent

not the mention the law. I think we make an example of him for future generations (of course since 35-40% of the population are idiots or self interested) there isn't enough political juice to ever get him in jail (maybe not even out of the White House).

[in2herbs]

52. My prediction is that he won't. I would bet that he leaves office under the 25th as that would

also absolve him from being subjected to state charges. After he leaves office I think he'll retire somewhere off US soil living off his presidential pension if nothing else.

[exboyfil]

55. You don't leave office under the 25th

You are still President. You have to resign, die, be impeached and removed, or leave when the next administration comes in.

Much more likely a resignation followed by a Pence pardon. He probably signs a stack of pardons before he resigns including one for Pence.

Or they can keep the horror show going because 35-40% of the population are idiots or so self interested they don't give a damn.