Wow, that was quick - Warren Responds to Zuckerberg

[kpete]

Elizabeth Warren: What would really “suck” is if we don’t fix a corrupt system that lets giant companies like Facebook engage in illegal anticompetitive practices, stomp on consumer privacy rights, and repeatedly fumble their responsibility to protect our democracy.

Link to tweet

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/1/20756701/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-leak-audio-ftc-antitrust-elizabeth-warren-tiktok-comments

[pbmus]

60. Bingo...

[uponit7771]

2. GET IT !!!

[Coventina]

3. IBTL!!

[BeyondGeography]

4. What a friggin President she will be

[dalton99a]

5. Zuckerberg doesn't give a shit about America

[ancianita]

16. No he doesn't. All data from all these countries is all the same money to him. He's building allies.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

34. observe the two-handed hand clasp.

He says so much through his hand shaking. He truly thinks he can pull you on to his team if he can just be one on one. And for the feeble-minded, it works.

[demigoddess]

47. Off topic, but I have to say it- drump sure did wreck the look of

the Oval Office. Obama's decor was much nicer.

[lunatica]

51. I bet the Obama home looks warm and welcoming

compared to the gold gilded no man’s wasteland where no living thing is welcome Trump tower anti life dwelling.

There’s class and then there’s crass.

[Throck]

6. What did we do before FaceBook?

Log out and shut Zuckerberg down.

[dalton99a]

8. +1. There was no way to communicate what you ate for breakfast and who you slept with

[snort]

36. I drink a lot.

End up sleeping with my breakfast.

[DBoon]

49. Network News (NNTP), listserv, Web circles, Geocities and other cheap hosting services

Many have been around since the start of the Internet and served well, except of course they could not be monetarized for advertising

[GetRidOfThem]

69. I don't do facebook...

Exactly for privacy reasons...

And my default search engine, on all of my computers, is DuckDuckGo...

[blogslut]

7. "it's like we care about our country and want to work with our government to good things"

But...

That's a big effing but.

[Funtatlaguy]

9. That response is an example of why I support her.

[BSdetect]

10. Do they pay taxes fairly?

[DallasNE]

11. Follow The Money

It is always about the money. And right now Russia is providing a big chunk of the money.

[llmart]

12. Zuckerberg and stupid Facebook have been a scourge on our country for quite some time.

Plus, he writes like a teeny bopper. How many "I mean"s does he need to express something?

[Politicub]

13. Yes!

[ancianita]

14. She's warning them that the biggest computer power cannot take down a democratic government.

She wouldn't let that happen, and she's got the Siren Server data stealing crowd of the financial and tech world quaking in their boots.

She won't smash them. She'll just make them adopt Lanier's micropayment model of capitalism, thereby saving capitalists and tech world from themselves.

She'll show the country how their business model isn't sustainable for the rest of us.

It's a simple argument Americans will see the benefit of acting on.

[democrank]

15. Once again, leadership.

Senator Warren doesn’t let opposition nonsense float out there for days without a response. She doesn’t bray about herself, it’s always about the common good.

[DemocracyMouse]

17. Siren Server? Micro what?

I misplaced my MBA glossary somewhere.

[hedda_foil]

21. Here ya go. I looked it up for you. Turns out it's a crucial concept.

https://www.nathanlustig.com/siren-servers-why-are-we-ok-with-giving-away-our-data/

The most powerful entities in today’s word are those that have the most data and the most powerful computers to crunch this data in a meaningful way. They are the “gargantuan cloud computer services that are concentrating wealth and influence in our era.” Whether they are “national intelligence agencies, the famous silicon valley companies with nursery school names, the stealthy high finance schemes and others,”…”they use their gigantic corporate repositories of information about our lives for huge benefit by a super-rich few.” So says Jaron Lanier in his book Who Owns The Future.

The siren server business model is to suck up as much data as possible and use powerful computers to create massive profits, while pushing the risk away from the company, back into the system. The model currently works by getting people to freely give up their data for non-monetary compensation, or sucking up the data surreptitiously.

Lanier continues:

All these schemes are quite similar. The biggest computers can predictably calculate wealth and clout on a broad, statistical level. For instance, an insurance company might use massive amounts of data to only insure people who are unlikely to get sick. The problem is that the risk and loss that can be avoided by having the biggest computer still exist. Everyone else must pay for the risk and loss that the Siren Server can avoid.

Siren Servers suck all data and a vast majority of profits, putting traditional businesses out of business and concentrating wealth and power in the hands of a small, elite few. Instead of paying people in dollars for their data, siren servers pay them in candy or lower front end costs. They convert industries that used to have a bell curve distribution into industries that have winner take all, star systems.

https://www.nathanlustig.com/siren-servers-why-are-we-ok-with-giving-away-our-data/

[yaesu]

18. Capitalism doesn't care about country, patriotism, the public's well being, income inequality

it only cares about making more and more money at any cost.

[DBoon]

50. Capitalism spits on the law

Anti-trust? If you have enough money, you can ignore it.

[bucolic_frolic]

20. Winners understand

answer every issue ASAP. anticompetitive has a strong history of enforcement in the US from the days of the Robber Barons, which were, btw, enabled by Lincoln's laissez-faire approach to freedom and economic opportunity which meant one thing to people and another to speculators, miners, oil/gas, and railroad companies.

[iscooterliberally]

22. Facebook would be more aptly named 'Assbook'.

The more these rich assholes are scared of Elizabeth Warren the better I feel about voting for her again. I like the fact that she seems to 'welcome their hatred'. If the finance people are shaking in their shoes that means we're on the right path. "Zuck Mark fuckerberg".

[Sogo]

23. Nevertheless,

she persisted....

[Omaha Steve]

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[Omaha Steve]

25. This is a general election post unlocking

[True Dough]

26. YOU TELL 'EM, ELIZABETH!!

The corporate elite should not be running the United States of America.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

27. I've never understood the appeal of facebook

It's a corporate data mining and consumer tracking operation. The business model is to sell everything they can get about you to companies looking to target you.

[zentrum]

28. Warren for the Win!

[Newest Reality]

29. Tht is what I like about Warren!

I think she understands that our real struggle is about the underpinnings of this culture based on the MIC and techniques that have been used to make it less obvious.

When you put it bluntly, now, more than ever, we are in another struggle below the limen of Left vs. Right. It is the Oligarchy vs. democracy. Notice how little attention that gets. Guess who is winning? It looks like a winner take all in the end and I mean that most sincerely and seriously.

All that "deep state" paranoia misses the point entirely, so much so, that the MIC, the behemoth that it is, would seem like a conspiracy to the conspiracy buffs. No, it is very real and it has been warned about by notable figures in the past like Eisenhower and JKF, and Zuckerberg is speaking as if he is stepping up as a representative for it right now.

[H2O Man]

30. Recommended.

(#100)

[SunSeeker]

31. K & R & Retweeted!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

32. "...you're, you know, I mean ... it's like...."

Harvard, you say.

[Fritz Walter]

54. Well spoken, SUCKERberg!

[pandr32]

33. Zuckerberg is set for life beyond what we can imagine

He should just let go of Facebook and try to become a person again and take care of his family.

[Mrs. Overall]

35. K & R!

[snort]

37. Face Fuckbook.

[Blue Owl]

38. Punch 'em in the Facebook

n/t

[kentuck]

39. Good for Elizabeth!

[Generic Other]

40. Time to break up the monopolies

Facebook and Fuckerberg asked for it. Make him sell off What's App. Make Google sell of Youtube. Break up the monopolies. Bring back net neutrality. The Fairness Doctrine. In the words of Langston Hughes, "Make America America again."

[unblock]

41. monopolists always like to act as if government action is an "existential" threat.

no, no one is trying to put you out of business via government action.

the aim of complaining about anti-competitive behavior is simply to get companies to stop doing that.

one way is to break up a company into pieces. that's *not* an existential threat to the company! it's simply separating the various components of the company so that they can't easily cheat at the expense of other companies in the same business.


in fact, if that really is a "existential" threat to the company, then that's basically an admission that the company can't survive without cheating.


the reality is that companies split up their own operations all the time and often this is a money-maker for investors, who prefer being able to make more targeted investments. again, the fact that a company objects to this is a hint that they're getting some unfair advantage from being joined.

[rurallib]

42. Thank you, Senator Warren

You are someone who understands what is right

[librechik]

43. short and to the pointy point. Thank you, Sen. Warren!

[KPN]

44. Alright! I'm almost ready to pick a candidate-- but i'll wait

until the next debate. Elizabeth Warren is looking good!

[cwydro]

45. Rec.

He’s an asshole.

I have a Facebook page I rarely visit anymore. It may be time to get out altogether.

[GoneOffShore]

46. For an insight into the 'mind of Zuck' watch 'The Great Hack'

It's on Netflix.

More than a bit disturbing.

[WinstonSmith4740]

48. Go get 'em, Liz!

Yeah, this coming from the man who's company took money in fucking rubles, but didn't see a connection to Russian interference.

[TDale313]

52. She's awesome

That’s all

[drmeow]

53. Zuckerberg obviously has no idea

What a scumbag much of the public consider him to be.

[Pepsidog]

55. Given the chance, righties would seize control of Facebook, send Zuckerberg to Siberia.

[SuprstitionAintthWay]

56. Awesome response. And there needs to be a non-profit alternative platform to FB.

Zuck and his minions built a near-perfect tool for anybody who wants to to anonymously, nearly invisibly, and with little risk of arrest, devastatingly undermine any democratic government and its elections in any free and open society in the world.

And then, surprise! Vladimir Putin, Brad Parscale, and an army of malicious trolls in America and Eastern Europe used it in exactly that way against the 2016 American presidential election. Effectively! All the personally-tailored shit that Zuck's pipeline can dump onto well-targeted people's screens, a lot of it really works!

It is democratic institutions in free societies everywhere that have been thrown into actual existential crises -- by the political weaponization of FB and its ilk.

FB management, as the system is designed, couldn't begin to reign in this wrecking ball capability of its money machine even if they were serious about trying, which, being just more doubletalking corporate weasels, they are not.

Fuck Facebook and Fuck Zuck.

Some non-profit needs to be building an alternative platform to FB, which allows the majority of its social connection benefits but does NOT own or retain users' data, much less market it. A platform that LEGITIMATELY puts the privacy controls in members' hands. Without the middleschoolish, approval-pandering Likes. With no algorithm-pushed ads... no ads period... and no "newsfeeds" subject to manipulation by others. And that strictly polices any abuse of the system, because innumerable bad actors will surely try there too.

I believe 100s of millions of people would be willing to pay a nominal annual membership fee to be on such a platform, and to be rid of FB from their lives. I believe such a non-commercial, non-profit, non-data-hoarding, relatively safe, in-the-public-interest platform, if built and managed intelligently, would become popular and succeed.

Hopefully somebody's already been working to build such an alternative to Zuck's and Sheryl's frankenstein monster.

[PatSeg]

57. Good for her

Zuckerberg said "I mean" four times in a very short paragraph. For such a smart guy, he's not terribly articulate.

[corbettkroehler]

58. It Seems She Struck A Nerve - GOOD! (n/t)

[OAITW r.2.0]

59. The New Teddy Roosevelt? Nt

[panader0]

61. Fuck Zuck

[New Breed Leader]

62. Fuck you, Zuckerberg.

[RainCaster]

63. What an ass-licking low life Zuck has become

Elizabeth is awesome; she has all those overpaid CEOs quaking in their undies.

[demigoddess]

64. every time Congress passes a law about anything they give the

corporations tax breaks and rich people tax breaks and in order to do it they cut back on things like public schools, medical care, hospitals and every other thing that makes life worth living for the majority. Warren knows that.

[Kind of Blue]

65. Sen. Warren's clarity is sweet and on point.

[Skittles]

66. SNAP!

shut that smarmy little fuck down

[NCLefty]

67. Zuckerburg's head has gotten too swelled for anyone's good.

And now he has infinite fuck-you money... *sigh*...

[sarah92]

68. well, no better time to stop him than now, before..

he amass even more infinite money, and contemplates running for president