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Clash City Rocker

(3,379 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:30 AM Oct 2019

If anyone you know is still convinced Biden needs to be investigated

I suggest you show them Shokin’s Wikipedia page...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

Since 2012, the Ukrainian prosecutor general had been investigating oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the oil and natural gas company Burisma Holdings, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption. In 2014, then-U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings. In 2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation. The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.

While visiting Kiev in December 2015, Joe Biden threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that if he did not fire Shokin, that the US would hold back its $1 billion in loan guarantees. "I looked at them and said, 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' [...] He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time." Shokin was dismissed by Parliament in late March 2016.

In a sworn notarized affidavit dated September 4, 2019, for a European court, Shokin testified that "On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the [criminal] case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company[,] but I refused to close this investigation."

Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings. However, Vitaliy Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant. Also, the investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Hunter Biden joined the company.


So, to summarize...

The issues with Burisma happened before Hunter Biden joined the company.

The concerns with Shokin came from many countries, not just the US, and it concerned the fact that Shokin wasn’t prosecuting corruption. Trump’s assertion that he was doing too good a job is a flat-out lie.

Biden wasn’t trying to prevent an investigation, he was trying to encourage an investigation.

The subsequent investigation only happened after Shokin was removed, and no wrongdoing by either of the Bidens was found.

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uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
1. K&R, Maddow showed reversing onus is straight out of the Russian playbook on how to turn the people
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:32 AM
Oct 2019

... who want investigations into the people who get investigated just seeing they have some proxy.

Russia has their hands all up in this

unblock

(51,974 posts)
2. more to the point, the accusations are nothing next to donnie's nepotism and graft
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:36 AM
Oct 2019

steering the military and government employees and foreign dignitaries to trump hotels for his personal profit?

his kids in the white house?


yeah, that's all perfectly fine, but somehow the biden's son getting a job in a foreign country, oh *that's* a problem...

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. only trump collaborators care as they are 100% ignorant of the facts and the reality
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:39 AM
Oct 2019

no one our side cares one bit

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
7. I make conservative/trump collaborators so uncomfortable when they open their mouths
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:58 AM
Oct 2019

whether friends or family, they know better not to or be blasted

ooky

(8,889 posts)
8. Based on that timeline
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 11:08 AM
Oct 2019

Joe Biden threatens to withhold U.S. aid in 2015 WHILE his son is ALREADY sitting on the board of a company he believes should be investigated and is not getting the proper attention from the sitting prosecutor. If he had any corrupt intent or thought his son was in any way involved, why would he do that?

That accusation makes zero sense.

Clash City Rocker

(3,379 posts)
11. Because he values justice regardless of how it affects him personally?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 11:18 AM
Oct 2019

The problem didn’t just involve one company. Shokin was refusing to investigate any corruption.

Or maybe because an investigation was the only way his son wouldn’t be blamed for something that wasn’t his fault? Again, the investigation involved something that happened before Hunter joined the company.

Or maybe he believed the company would be cleared? The only logical reason to block a corruption investigation is if you’re trying to protect someone who’s guilty (someone explain that to Trump).

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emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
12. Trump's false claims about the Biden's have been debunked by many reputable sources
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:04 PM
Oct 2019

Link to articles that have investigated and debunked Trump’s false claims about the Bidens:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212489036#post7

Not sure why you would want to post falsehoods that have been proven to be false.

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