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Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:29 AM

Spin it all you want Ellen...

you were sitting there enjoying yourself next to a WAR CRIMINAL. One who was very responsible for the unnecessary deaths of almost a MILLION CHILDREN, WOMEN and Men. All for his ego and for $$. Not that you care ONE bit, but you lost all respect I had for you. Go sit next to Agent Orange next. I wont care.

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Reply Spin it all you want Ellen... (Original post)
Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 OP
jberryhill Oct 2019 #1
NewDayOranges Oct 2019 #2
Javaman Oct 2019 #5
mokawanis Oct 2019 #31
InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #77
LexVegas Oct 2019 #3
elocs Oct 2019 #23
LexVegas Oct 2019 #24
elocs Oct 2019 #25
A HERETIC I AM Oct 2019 #55
elocs Oct 2019 #80
Zambero Oct 2019 #86
tblue37 Oct 2019 #63
IndyOp Oct 2019 #76
Celerity Oct 2019 #88
hlthe2b Oct 2019 #4
Javaman Oct 2019 #7
hlthe2b Oct 2019 #15
BlueWI Oct 2019 #75
hlthe2b Oct 2019 #79
BlueWI Oct 2019 #81
brush Oct 2019 #89
treestar Oct 2019 #113
ksoze Oct 2019 #6
demmiblue Oct 2019 #10
Javaman Oct 2019 #11
Skittles Oct 2019 #83
treestar Oct 2019 #112
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #8
rusty fender Oct 2019 #9
Unbelievable Oct 2019 #27
sop Oct 2019 #60
bdamomma Oct 2019 #70
cwydro Oct 2019 #107
maryellen99 Oct 2019 #12
pintobean Oct 2019 #13
Post removed Oct 2019 #32
elocs Oct 2019 #57
pintobean Oct 2019 #61
elocs Oct 2019 #74
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #97
cwydro Oct 2019 #108
Yavin4 Oct 2019 #14
Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #16
MineralMan Oct 2019 #17
Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2019 #18
TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #19
obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #20
Shrike47 Oct 2019 #21
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #37
LanternWaste Oct 2019 #47
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #99
UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #71
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #98
treestar Oct 2019 #110
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #114
Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #43
Beringia Oct 2019 #46
treestar Oct 2019 #111
Mosby Oct 2019 #22
Iggo Oct 2019 #67
quickesst Oct 2019 #26
ronnie624 Oct 2019 #66
quickesst Oct 2019 #85
ronnie624 Oct 2019 #87
quickesst Oct 2019 #92
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #100
gordianot Oct 2019 #28
qazplm135 Oct 2019 #29
LakeArenal Oct 2019 #30
nolabear Oct 2019 #33
Gothmog Oct 2019 #36
Beringia Oct 2019 #42
Hortensis Oct 2019 #102
treestar Oct 2019 #116
Joe941 Oct 2019 #121
Gothmog Oct 2019 #34
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #39
LisaM Oct 2019 #53
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #101
treestar Oct 2019 #117
BlueWI Oct 2019 #84
NanceGreggs Oct 2019 #35
Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #95
Mosby Oct 2019 #38
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #40
Post removed Oct 2019 #41
Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #44
melman Oct 2019 #64
George II Oct 2019 #96
Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2019 #45
LanternWaste Oct 2019 #48
dustyscamp Oct 2019 #49
FiveGoodMen Oct 2019 #50
dustyscamp Oct 2019 #52
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #103
LisaM Oct 2019 #51
NCLefty Oct 2019 #119
wryter2000 Oct 2019 #54
BlueWI Oct 2019 #78
roamer65 Oct 2019 #56
magicarpet Oct 2019 #109
Blue_true Oct 2019 #58
ronnie624 Oct 2019 #69
Autumn Oct 2019 #59
treestar Oct 2019 #115
Autumn Oct 2019 #118
treestar Oct 2019 #120
NCLefty Oct 2019 #62
Sewa Oct 2019 #65
rockfordfile Oct 2019 #104
a kennedy Oct 2019 #68
UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #72
Behind the Aegis Oct 2019 #90
Bettie Oct 2019 #73
StClone Oct 2019 #82
BlueWI Oct 2019 #93
Demonaut Oct 2019 #91
cvoogt Oct 2019 #94
Stuart G Oct 2019 #105
Kurt V. Oct 2019 #106

Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:34 AM

1. It's no skin off her back

 


Not like my neighbor, whose son didn’t do well after repeated and extended deployments to fight his wars.

Ellen did well.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:36 AM

2. What/who are you talking about?

Ellen DeGeneris? Who is the war criminal?

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Response to NewDayOranges (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:43 AM

5. george w. moron*. nt

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Response to NewDayOranges (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:29 AM

31. She was sitting next to Bush at the Dallas vs Packers game

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:53 PM

77. It was disgusting and shameful to see that!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:36 AM

3. Yeah! Michelle Obama too!!!

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Response to elocs (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:05 AM

24. But she gave him candy!!! nt

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Response to elocs (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

55. It was the other way around.

W. and Michelle have become good friends, it seems and he gave her a piece of candy at McCain's funeral.

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Response to elocs (Reply #80)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:18 PM

86. Candy rots teeth and raises blood glucose

More candy for criminals, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:57 PM

63. No, he gave her candy. You can even see her saying, "Thank you." nt

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Response to elocs (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:52 PM

76. Seriously, W has a crush on Michelle. Gack! (nt)

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Response to elocs (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

88. not her finest moment nt

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:38 AM

4. Mixed feelings. I could NOT sit next to Cheney, no matter what the event or the personal cost.

And, no, I don't hold Bush* nonresponsible for the Iraqi war or other policies that I consider intensely harmful to Americans. I don't think Bush* is evil through and through nor a sociopath as I do Cheney and his one spawn. And, frankly, I do still believe in civil behavior in public as a standard. So, I won't hold this against Ellen. AFAIK, it isn't as though they intentionally planned to attend together, but even if they had, she is a talk show host and I would not be surprised to see her interview him or many others with whom I don't agree.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:48 AM

7. george w. moron* was my gov...

I completely hold him responsible. he's a sneaky piece of shit. which to me, when dealing with peoples lives, yes, is evil.

And on being a sociopath? I think it's much akin to s spectrum disorder. he's a mid-range. knows right and wrong but doesn't give a shit as long as he wins in the end.

check out this article about his "deal" regarding the rangers stadium

What Price Baseball?

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/1997-06-20/529131/

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Response to Javaman (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:08 AM

15. My instincts are pretty fine tuned. I had to interview Cheney years ago (between Congress & VP)

The hair on the back of my neck stood up immediately upon entering the room with him and I got just a horrendous sense from him. Of course, he was brusque and fairly rude, but that wasn't it. I felt an intense desire to finish as quickly as possible and put a great distance between us.

As I posted, I have not forgotten anything Bush* has done. You say "mid-level" sociopath which is descriptive for any craven opportunist, especially in politics. I don't forgive nor forget what he did. But, without having met him, all I can say is that I've never gotten the sensations from him that I did with Cheney. I think we have only begun to know what horrific events and acts, Cheney personally was responsible for. Bush* was a willing, yet pliable enabler. I don't think he is without at least a few regrets, however. Cheney, will never think twice about what he has done or tried to do.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:49 PM

75. Bush had signature authority over every decision.

Personally, I am not one to ponder too much over these psychological aspects of personality. If you're the leader of an organization, in a position that was sought after for decades, why does it matter if you're a craven opportunist, willing enabler, or however Cheney is categorized, if decisions made are as monstrous as the Iraq invasion? If you sit in the president's chair, you assume the consequences of your decisions, as do all of the people and countries affected by the fiasco in Iraq. George W. Bush gets absolutely no allowances from me on this, no matter what role Cheney played in the foolish and deadly misadventure in the Gulf.

I have personally met a number of politicians and have turned down opportunities to meet others. While I share the occasional experience of polite public interaction with elected officials and other organizational leaders whose viewpoints I loathe, there are definitely moments where I have avoided conversation or left the table because I have no desire to exchange niceties that are not genuine. Maybe it's not so easy to do this if you're Michelle Obama or Ellen, and I don't have their experience so I can't advise them. Can't say that I care for the optics, but I'll admit it's probably for the best for some of us to be polite across partisan lines. Waiting to see if that helps us in the end though - not sure it will.

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Response to BlueWI (Reply #75)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:57 PM

79. I was forced to interview Cheney in the course of my work

(not journalism) and I was as professional as I could be. Not sure if that was your point or not, but I was.

I am not defending Bush* but I am convinced he is not the sociopath Cheney is even if his actions lying us into the war was and is so horrendous. Cheney is indescribable, frankly. But, I am convinced Bush* at least has the capacity for regret. Cheney, not at all. I am absolutely certain. Just sitting across from him for that brief encounter was enough.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #79)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:11 PM

81. Sure. I am not questioning your professionalism.

It's just a personal observation, but to me it seems like splitting hairs to debate on who's more sociopathic or who has capacity for growth. Others seem to feel that those personality profiles are relevant to how we should regard these figures after the fact. I'm much more interested in the lessons learned by leaders who are still in public - what have we learned that will prevent another Iraq? How many leaders are willing to stand against the president now in similar circumstances - even with the benefit of hindsight?

Plus, I am not likely to be involved in any social circle that involves GWB, and I would probably avoid him if he and I were present somewhere. So, I'm a bit more aligned in my thinking with the OP, and I have felt that way about past connections between the Clintons and Trump. It was ok to associate with Trump when his crimes were confined to denying black families equal housing, stiffing contractors, and contributing to the railroading of the Central Park 5. I am not one to shine things like this on just for the sake of socializing.

JMO.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:25 PM

89. You interviewed the anti-Christ. That's the sense of dread you felt.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:28 PM

113. +1

Being polite in public amongst public figures is not a bad thing. People act like they should throw tomatoes. Or shoes. Not everyone reacts the same way to people they disagree with. You don't have to shun them. You might teach them something.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:47 AM

6. Trump's greatest achievement: Bush now seems Presidential

The bar has been lowered so far that Bush can stop over it and appear to be great.

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Response to ksoze (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:56 AM

10. Yep. It is disgusting. n/t

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Response to ksoze (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:57 AM

11. naaa, he's* still a stupid spoiled shit head.

he* was my gov and he's never changed.

the only way he* will ever appear to be presidential is if they erase all his fuck ups from our collective memory.

he* is and always be a fucking piece of shit moron

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Response to ksoze (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:15 PM

83. no, he DOESN'T

Dubya is still the warmonger piece of shit he always was. People are still dying EVERY DAY because of W.

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Response to ksoze (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:26 PM

112. It says a lot about Drumpf that I can't get myself

to be mad at Dubya any more!

It's actually worse that Bill and Hillary were at Drumpf's wedding, though he probably was not as bad at that time.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:48 AM

8. America loves its war criminals.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:51 AM

9. To paraphrase George Carlin:

It’s a small club and we aren’t in it.

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:11 AM

27. you

 

get it.

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:10 PM

60. George was right

All I see are two fabulously wealthy people schmoozing in a sky box belonging to another fabulously wealthy individual. These people stick together.

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:23 PM

70. Exactly

only if George Carlin was still around he would of said Told you so!

and how they are coming for our health care, and social security,,, they are coming for it all!! He was so right.

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:33 PM

107. This.

Exactly.
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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:57 AM

12. Plus she's from New Orleans she should know better nt

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:03 AM

13. I'm sure that she's devistated

 

when anonymous internet posters lose respect for her.

What do you think about these women?



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Response to elocs (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:50 PM

61. I was told to go to

 

a different site for posting that.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:18 PM

97. Don't like it

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Response to pintobean (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:35 PM

108. Thank you.

I bet you get no replies from the ones shouting loudest about Ellen.
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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:04 AM

14. I saw that. Guess she forgot all about the 2004 election when they made it all about

marriage equality and appealing to bigots in Ohio.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:21 AM

16. Worthless, without context. n/t

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:22 AM

17. Hmm...are you normally a big fan of hers?

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:28 AM

18. Honestly, with all the shit going on right now, I really couldn't care less about this.

This is such a pre-November 2016 story.
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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:33 AM

19. I could sit next to Bush and enjoy myself.

He seems to be pretty fond of small talk.

I have a huge amount of respect for Ellen and it has nothing to do with Bush.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:33 AM

20. whatever

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:53 AM

21. Calm yourself. She was civil. Let's hope we all would be, rather than acting like jerks.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:16 PM

37. Bush is a war criminal

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:43 PM

47. I don't think Ellen could have made a citizen's arrest.

(see? we both made statements devoid of context, hanging onto relevance by a finger-nail yet pretending it's substantial. I see why you do it... it's quite fun, like the day my Pet Rock arrived when I was eleven)

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #47)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:21 PM

99. It's about having respect to those that the war criminal killed. American soldiers that died

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:25 PM

71. YAWN. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #71)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:20 PM

98. You think it's a yawn that people lost theirs lives because of that war criminal?

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #37)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:23 PM

110. He's not really

I did not agree with him and all, but he had the support of the country after 911 for that stuff. This country is very warlike. And no international tribunal has recognized this. Yeah I don't think we needed the Iraq war, but that doesn't make everyone in on it a "war criminal." That takes a lot more.

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Response to treestar (Reply #110)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:38 PM

114. From Bush to the PNAC group are war criminals. This has been known for years now

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:00 PM

43. She was his guest. This was not some random encounter.

She chose to associate with a person who campaigned to prevent her from getting married, a person who is a war criminal responsible for the murder of at least 100,000 people, and the torture of an unknown number of people.

So like no, fuck that. Lets hope we all stand up for what is right.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:36 PM

46. I don't think she was his guest

I am learning more than I ever needed to know about this, but anyway.


Portia was invited by Charlotte Jones, daughter of Jerry Jones who owns the Dallas Cowboys. Charlotte Jones and Portia are both into contemporary art.



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Response to Beringia (Reply #46)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:25 PM

111. So she was invited to the party, so was he

and you can't control your host's other choices. So she was civil. I don't see anything wrong with that. And his standing as "war criminal" has not been recognized by society internationally.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:10 PM

67. ...is a wonderful thing!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:10 AM

26. pretty sad to see....

.... so many people strutting their sense of moral superiority here at Democratic Underground, but also rather enlightening.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:08 PM

66. I'm morally superior to mass murderers, no doubt about it.

How does that "enlighten" you?

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #66)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:06 PM

85. I am sure....

.... you are indeed morally superior to mass murderers, but are you morally superior to Michelle and Barack Obama? Are you morally superior to Hillary Clinton? Most important of all, are you so all seeing, all-knowing to have the confidence to say you are morally superior to Ellen DeGeneres?

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Response to quickesst (Reply #85)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:20 PM

87. I am morally superior to those who commit atrocities,

and those who treat with them, as well.

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #87)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 01:46 AM

92. I understand

You believe yourself to be morally superior to Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Ellen DeGeneres just to name four people. I absolutely believe that you believe that.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #85)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:23 PM

100. You have fallen for what bushco is doing.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:14 AM

28. Maybe she can do a skit on Game of Games where you throw shoes.

Three hits and you are out.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:16 AM

29. she won't care

that you won't care.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:27 AM

30. I'd meet bushy.

I hated him then.

But I’d meet any ex prez. History is history.

I think it would be something to even meet Trump. Not sure I could be anyway respectful about the presidency itself that I would with Bush. Nor would I be able to hold my tongue with trump.

Still I would like to look them all in the eyes to see what I see in them

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:32 AM

33. How do you feel about Michelle Obama?

Just curious.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:54 AM

36. Others are also curious


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Response to nolabear (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:34 PM

42. and get banned from DU?

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Response to nolabear (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:31 PM

102. :) No kidding. I'd say toxic intolerance can be overdone.

And just was.

Imo, the OP is a dysfunctional reaction to reality. Public figures are supposed to behave like mannered people at any event. And so should the rest of us in general, though what can be considered appropriate may be looser for some, depending.

I'd be glad to "forgive" Michelle for all the times she went high, but of course she was always going high.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #102)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:46 PM

116. That's a good way to put it

If I saw Bush and were introduced to him, I'd be polite. Some people think we should shun him and throw tomatoes or something, but how will that help anything?

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Response to nolabear (Reply #33)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:47 AM

121. Me too my friend... me too.

 

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:33 AM

34. I agree with Ellen

I have friends who are republicans

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:24 PM

39. Bush is a war criminal. A person that hates gay rights. A pos that tried to censor the music acts.

There's a entire list. To me it's like asking a African American to sit next to a racist KKK person at a event.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:05 PM

53. I don't think he's against gay rights (or abortion), but he's willing to use those issues

for personal gain. That's what has always frustrated me about the Bushes. They put aside what I think are their own beliefs for poliitical gain.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #53)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:25 PM

101. The Christian Coalition is one of his big supporters.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #39)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:48 PM

117. How will you convince people

to see the light if you refuse to ever speak to them or meet them?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:29 PM

84. Who doesn't have friends that are Republicans?

I do, but some of these friendships are not on particularly good terms right now. Getting saddled with a racist grifter as president due to the white majority in this country doesn't do much for cross-partisan friendship.

At the end of the day boundaries have to be crossed, and they will be. But it's certainly possible to build more dialogue and still respect that many of us are working from places of anger and pain and a strong desire for better governance that make relationships across the aisle difficult.

So in addition to yukking it up on TV, was there a conversation about climate action now? Or cuts in military spending to help us dig our way out of the debt left over from the Iraq fiasco? I get that people will socialize, but what we need is good governance, and we're a long way from that. If these friendships lead to true dialogue about public policy, that's great. If it's just an exclusive club of connected people, meh.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:35 AM

35. Yeah, this is really important shit.


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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:36 AM

95. So, we can ONLY post about IMPORTANT SHIT

in General Discussion now? I am so sorry. I promise I wont do it again.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:25 PM

40. True Bush/gop are war criminals. We are still going through all of this crap today because of him

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Response to Mosby (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:03 PM

44. And ignoring who said it, what exactly is wrong with what was said?

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Response to Mosby (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:22 PM

64. She's right

 

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Response to Mosby (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 03:59 PM

96. Sarandon enabled something far worse than bush by claiming trump would be better than Clinton.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:16 PM

45. I'm disappointed in her for this

I don't want to necessarily say that she's "cancelled" to me, but if she could lay off of the George W. Bush "rehabilitation tour", that would be nice.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:45 PM

48. It's a tough old world when people don't express hate the way we want them to.

Of course we lose our respect for them for not hating who we want, how we want, and when we want.

30 years of Hate Radio has taught us how to do that while maintaining the pretense we're The Good Guys.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:41 PM

49. Do you lose respect for people who forgive murderers/rapists for hurting them or their family?

What about Michelle Obama she doesn't seem to hate Bush?

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #49)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:44 PM

50. Did Michelle forgive Bush on behalf of his many thousands of victims?

What gave her the right to do that?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:03 PM

52. She probably hasn't forgiven him for that, but she accepts that Presidents have to make tough calls

Even if the actions are really bad. Maybe she respects him in some other ways we don't know about. He is more approachable than DTurd

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #52)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:32 PM

103. Bushco is a war criminal. This "approachable" is a scam for a reason.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:53 PM

51. I will never forget that he used gay marriage as a wedge issue to win Ohio in 2004.

I'm surprised that Ellen did. Bush also stole an election from Al Gore with zero compunction. And he appointed the SCOTUS justices who essentially put Trump into office with their rulings on Citizens United and the VRA.

It's different for the Obamas and Clintons to socialize with Bush, IMO, because their circumstances positioned them in such a way that they have to deal with him.

I just can't forget 2000. It changed me forever, made me a much angrier person than I was.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #51)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 08:09 PM

119. I'm with you on this. Screw him forever for that.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:41 PM

54. I wish people would stop rehabilitating W

If he'd just been a bad president, that would be one thing. He created a war for nothing else than to win the 2004 election. Thousands of Americans died, and we don't even know how many Iraqis died. I guess in the hundreds of thousands.

And he tortured people. He's not just someone with different political views. And I wish Michelle Obama would stay away from him, too.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #54)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:57 PM

78. Agreed.

While it's an extremely difficult call without knowing the depth of this administration's compromising of Democratic processes, I think it's arguable that GWB was an even worse president than Trump. Near total economic collapse, pre-9/11 security lapses, air guitar during Hurricane Katrina, Mission Accomplished, Haliburton, Abu Grahib and Fallujah - the hits just kept coming!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:04 PM

56. We are where we are now because of Shrub.

This is what war crimes and profiteering do to a nation.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #56)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:53 PM

109. Yes so true,...

The bushes, the cheneys, and the trDumps stir the muck and slime up from the bottom where they were forced to lay. Now this muck and slime is reactivated and floated to the top.

This has contaminated our body politic so not only have they poisoned our clean water, our drinking water, and our air we breath - this is the result when muck and slime are given free reign unencumbered in any way.

Oligarchic Fascism (wrapped in the AmeriKKKan flag and [Devil's]cross) becomes the inevitable result of our dysfunctional political and economic systems.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:08 PM

58. I like an occasional beef burger.

Does that mean I approve of the occasional sicko that abuses ill cattle at slaughterhouses?

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #58)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:22 PM

69. Yes, that is exactly analogous to smooching with mass murderers. n/t

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:09 PM

59. Have you seen pictures of Michelle Obama with her good friend George Bush?

What is your opinion on that? Have you lost all respect for Michelle Obama? I know one fact, Michelle Obama cares about all those children that you referenced. So does Ellen.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #59)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:45 PM

115. I doubt she is actually his friend

She is only spending time with him in the events where all the Presidents and their wives are. She just has a little fun with him when they are at those events. There's no reason not to be polite.

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Response to treestar (Reply #115)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 08:06 PM

118. Yes he is her friend. She considers him a "beautiful, funny, kind, sweet man."

Polite? No, it's more than that. "Partners in crime " I love him to death." She is very open about how the friendship she has with him.

Former first lady Michelle Obama said that her oft-admired friendship with former President George W. Bush serves as a reminder of how relationships should be during a time when America only sees all the "nasty parts" of political discourse.

In an interview released Wednesday on NBC, Obama told Bush's daughter, Jenna Bush Hager, who is also a correspondent on "Today," that her relationship with Bush "reminds us that we can get there with the right leadership and with the right tone setting and with each of us giving one another the benefit of the doubt."

"I'd love if we as a country could get back to the place where we didn't demonize people who disagreed with us," she added. Bringing up a famous photo of the former president and Obama sharing a hug in 2016, Bush Hager asked Obama about her friendship with Bush

“Because I think the political discourse, the way it’s shown in the media, is…all the nasty parts of it. You know? Because I guess we’ve become a culture where the nasty sells. So people are just gonna keep feeding that. We’re all Americans. We all care about our family and our kids, and we’re trying’ to get ahead. And that’s how I feel about your father. You know? He’s a beautiful, funny, kind, sweet man.”

https://time.com/5454153/michelle-obama-on-george-w-bush/




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Response to Autumn (Reply #118)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:31 AM

120. That does not say she spends any time with him

other than at events where ex-presidents gather.

Her assessment of his sweetness, etc., is based on that.

I recall people saying he'd be great to have a beer with and all that. He supported a war that we did not agree with. He's not like the current occupier of the WH. The Dotard is evil personally too; he would not start a war over anything that was supposedly for the benefit of national security; only for his own benefit.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:53 PM

62. He got thousands of Americans killed with a lie and tried to erase families like hers.

"But he's nice?"

She's a comedian-turned-talk-show host. I don't think too many people are relying on Ellen for the answers to life.

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Response to NCLefty (Reply #62)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:00 PM

65. Wrong! She's a spokesperson on gay

and lesbian issue. She has influence on many issues

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Response to Sewa (Reply #65)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 04:34 PM

104. Her cred took a hit on all of that.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:20 PM

68. I was so pissed about this photo......

then I tried to be open minded about what Ellen said about not having the same political beliefs with GW Bush. AND thought, how can we as a country EVER HEAL WITH PAST, OLD, AND DIFFERENT beliefs EVER come together??? I think she might at least get the discussion started. Or......not and the country will never heal, will NEVER come together, and will forever be divided. And I swear to gawd, I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THAT ORANGE PIECE OF SHIT. So just forget what I just wrote about Ellen and her sitting net to GW Bush.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:26 PM

72. This post right here is PART of the got damn problem. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #72)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:39 PM

90. +1

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:32 PM

73. FFS She was invited to the game and ended up sitting next to him

so, rather than create an ugly scene, she was a decent human being and didn't make the evening suck for her partner.

What should she have done?

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:14 PM

82. The right to be outraged, or not, is personal

Bush is REALLY as bad as Trump. Millions of lives, and Trillions of dollars on a perverse lie so to be a War Prez. I have loved Ellen over the years and accept her acts of open congenially...BUT I can thoroughly question, and dislike, the display of friendship to Bush (as well as Obama, Clinton). I can do both.

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Response to StClone (Reply #82)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:58 AM

93. +1000

This.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:12 AM

91. pariah

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:46 AM

94. Her sentiment is good

.. but to apply it to everyone blindly seems wrong to me. Being friends with people who lied a coalition of countries into a war that resulted in hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths purely for (highly debatable) geopolitical and financial purposes. I'd say that qualifies as more than just a difference in opinion.
This is the DU member formerly known as cvoogt.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:23 PM

106. they have something in common. They're rich. its about classes. all is forgiven

when you belong . same will happen when trump is out of office for s few yrs. he'll be on Ellen's show.

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