What happens if China becomes the next Cambridge Analytica? Make our Internet a national utility!

[ancianita]

Enforcement against election fraud could be a lot easier.

Cambridge Analytica improperly obtained data of up to 87 million of its users who took a personality test through a third-party app — the app not only gathered the users’ Facebook data, but also gathered data on their Facebook friends.

Cambridge Analytica worked for the 2016 Republican presidential campaigns of both Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

While Cambridge Analytica has since shut down, Wylie said the tactics it used could be deployed elsewhere, and that is why data privacy regulation needs to be dramatically enhanced.

“Even if the company has dissolved, the capabilities of the company haven’t,”

Wylie also said he believes that social media companies should, at a minimum, face regulation similar to water utilities or electrical companies -- "certain industries that have become so important because of their vital importance to business and people's lives and the nature of their scale."

In those cases, "we put in place rules that put consumers first," he added. "You can still make a profit. You can still make money. But you have to consider the rights and safety of people."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/09/cambridge-analytica-whistleblower-us-following-china-with-privacy.html

[Firestorm49]

1. The article by Wylie was very informative, disturbing, shocking, but real.

[ancianita]

2. Right? And open to "discussion" in MF45's upcoming trade talks with China.

The possibilities just piss me off.

Betrayal is his forte, from the Kurds to the American internet.

[Wounded Bear]

3. If?

I think countries will be lining up for a chance to fuck with our politics. What can't be hacked will be sold.

[ancianita]

4. Then this plan MUST be subpoenaed by the House Intel Committee. They and we must take

no trade norms for granted. Every last trade proposal.

And EVERY LAST PARTICIPANT FROM LAWYER TO SECURITY, of the team that's about to go to China with Trump!

Come ON, Schiff! Outflank this asshole who'd sell his mother country for a buck.

[Wounded Bear]

5. Congress blew it when they ceded tariff authority to the Pres...

they should have known someone like Trump was coming.

[ancianita]

6. They didn't cede. Quid pro quo trade is the executive's purview. What they MUST do is oversight

on every little damn thing he does in and outside this country.

It's their constitutional duty. They've got to get the FBI somehow legally under their authority, since intel already is helping.

This demolishing of all things that secure Americans freedom must be stopped.

We can't live this way.

Why would the military stand by and watch this happen to its own country.

[Wounded Bear]

7. Tariffs are taxes for generating revenue...

they are supposed to come out of the House, not presidential decree.

[ancianita]

8. And they have already, right? How is that any safety for us re to the trade talks.

And have the House Democrats even considered that as leverage for getting the actual signed copies of any China-US trade agreement?

MF45 certainly won't just give the agreement to them.

Then what.

[Johnny2X2X]

9. Fight fire with fire

It's the only way to win.

Facebook is deep in with the Trump campaign. They have advanced the Psyops capabilities of target marketing on Facebook. If the Dems don't have their own operation to combat Trump's they will lose.

[ancianita]

10. What operation would they have that they're not now using?

[Johnny2X2X]

11. We need our own Cambridge Analytica

Trump ran 5.9 million different versions of his ads on Facebook, Hillary ran 66,000. Right now Trump is outspending the entire Democratic field combined on Facebook.

We need our own operation to profile every voter and target ones most liable to being swayed, and target ones that are being targeted by Trump. Hillary's campaign got absolutely blindsided as they were running a traditional campaign while Trump was running a high tech psyops campaign that was devastating in effectiveness.

If you weren't one of their targets you didn't get the ads on Facebook, but if you were they were relentless and looked like they came from your friends and were written precisely with your psychological profile in mind. And I know it's a touchy subject here, but Bernie voters got flooded with negative ads about Hillary, it was incredibly saturated, I spent hundreds of hours debating with Bernie supporter friends on Facebook when they kept posting fake stories about Hillary. These were college educated liberals, many didn't vote for Hillary because of hundreds of articles they were force fed, and they were incredibly effective because they were written specifically for their personality. It was so bad that I could literally show them definitive proof that they posted a fake article and they still would stand by it. That same type of stuff went to swing voters in the general election, they knew exactly the few hundred thousand people they needed to sway in a hand full of swing states, they had an incredibly detailed psychological profile of each one and knew precisely before they even voted what % of them they would be able to sway.

And that was 4 years ago! This time around they have Zuckerberg himself in their corner. Their effort is going to be bigger, more well funded, and more advanced this time. Dems better already ahve an operation up and running that rivals that or we are doomed.

[ancianita]

13. "target ones that are being targeted by Trump" is what will work, not swaying them.

A very persuasive case you make. I'm aware of the huge ad buy differential. But I refuse to think it's our only to path to a win or loss.

If Zuckerberg is on their side, it's either because he thinks they wouldn't do anything to him if he didn't "help," or they convinced him that Barr will come after him if is doesn't.

Given that you're so convinced Zuckerberg's in Trump's corner, what makes you think he'd help Democrats instead of taking their money while just not letting their messages onto the platform. How would the Democrats even know without monitoring access, which they couldn't buy because it's mostly given to the FBI, DOJ and Homeland.

Who needs Chinese interference when a domestic corporate partner like Zuckerberg will do it.

Our working expectation as Democrats should be that we win on the merits of leadership's work so far, and that we make sure fact-based politics, regularly reported by other media, will influence voters to GOTV more than FB can discourage it.

To that end, the mantra should go viral that calls for Americans to suspend or delete social media accounts to help them stay clear of fake propaganda sites, news and commenters, to pave the way for their voting on the merits of the issues presented by media less corruptible by Big Money than Zuckerberg's FB, Instagram and other sites.

[Johnny2X2X]

16. A campaign to delete Facebook will not work

It would result in Democrats not being able to use Facebook s effectively to get their message out.Facebook is one of the fields of play, removing our pieces from the field of play is not going to help.

And Zuckerberg is a greedy lizard, he's ruled by money and power, his private meetings with Trump are concerning, he's probably been promised that Trump will let him keep growing his power and wealth. And who did Zuckerberg put in charge i=of Facebook's entire elections ads division? Someone who works for Rudy Giuliani. Facebook is going to be an uphill battle, the Dems will have to resort to guerrilla style ads and marketing.

If we don't have this in place already, we are finished. Anger at Trump isn't enough, the techniques Trump's campaign are using don't just border on mind control, they actually are mind control techniques banned in most of the world.

[pecosbob]

12. CA didn't shut down...they simply changed names.

MSM dropping the ball...again. They're still out there and they're still subverting our electoral system. If King for a day, I would have nationalized all telecomm years ago and resurrected some form of the Fairtness Doctrine. But then I would nationalize the energy grid as well. What can I say...I'm a leftist.

[ancianita]

14. So what's CA's new name? Everyone ought to know.

[pecosbob]

15. Emerdata

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/02/cambridge_analytica_shutdown/

But I think this guy is the motive force...https://powerbase.info/index.php/Nigel_Oakes

Jennifer and Rebekah Mercer are directors of Emerdata, and are the daughters of ultra-wealthy businessman Robert Mercer who created and bankrolled Cambridge Analytica. Billionaire Bob has given tens of millions of dollars to rightwing political efforts. Jennifer and Rebekah also had a hand in Cambridge Anal.

[ancianita]

17. Thanks. Good to get the names of its current owners.

[pecosbob]

18. More to the above poster than to you, but IMO 'fighting fire with fire' is a bad idea

Psyops is fundamentally wrong in a democracy and it's use IMO would only hasten our spiral into totalitarianism. Is there a tool or tools that can be used to combat it...beyond remaining true to honesty and transparency I haven't a clue.

[ancianita]

19. That's pretty much what I was getting at. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

" ...Is there a tool or tools that can be used to combat it..."

Yes. The Constitution's 1A shouldn't be misused to yell "fire" -- in the form of unmoderated lies and fake news -- to the election public under cover of campaign free speech.

And so Zuckerberg's refusal to moderate lies in Trump posts and ads harms the rights of the majority of FB users. Zuckerberg should be sued for the harm his policy has already caused, as evidence of more harm it will cause in 2020.

Any "undue burden" argument Zuckerberg uses is outweighed by that same argument of even more undue burden to FB users.

The issue won't likely go to court, but it definitely should.

[pecosbob]

20. The devil is certainly in the details on this issue.

Kind of like when the courts tried to define pornography back in the 60s and 70s.

[ancianita]

21. Only scaled up to the billions.