Proposed "Take it or leave it" deal to the GOP, since an impeachment "two-fer" won't work.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

No, as much as we would relish the prospect of a President Pelosi, thinking we could take down both Trump and Pence in one fell swoop just isn't going to happen. The Republicans won't willfully cede the White House, and trying a two-fer would probably be the one way to guarantee Trump's skin gets saved, at least through 2020.

But here me out here....if the evidence against Trump continues to grow to preposterous levels....here's what I suggest we put on the table to the GOP that might get them to nix Trump.

1. After Trump is impeached by the House, Republican senators agree to remove Trump.
2. Pence--who is either tangentially involved or a really useful idiot in this mess--is allowed to succeed Trump as President, BUT.....
3. He can't issue a Ford-like pardon to Trump, AND
4. Republicans have to agree to nominate someone other than Pence for 2020.

Think about it for all sides involved, not just ours.

Democrats get to kick Trump out of office. Pence isn't removed but is relegated to a one-year lame duck presidency with a House that will likely block any agenda of his. Republicans, who have been saddled with the Trump legacy, have a chance for a fresh start in 2020 by nominating someone uninvolved in all of this mess. (Good luck trying to get the public to forget that Trump was once your guy, though.)

It just seems like a win-win for everyone involved whose name isn't Donald Trump. And seriously, screw that guy and all he's done to us.

I know we want to burn them all to the ground, but practically speaking, this might work out as the best, most realistic outcome for us.

[DrToast]

1. I proposed something similar a few weeks ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12500363

I think a deal could be made.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. Great minds and all. nt

[mainstreetonce]

3. I would change the part where they agree to nominate someone else

Let them nominate Pence.He could never win if Trump has been removed.
Another candidate would have a better chance.

[Garrett78]

5. Yeah, Pence would get crushed.

[NewJeffCT]

8. I think Pence is smart enough not to run

damaged goods

[flamingdem]

11. Yes, let him run and the repuke turnout will be zilch

haha

[tblue37]

19. +1. nt

[TexasProgresive]

4. Pence would continue to pack the courts with uber right wing judges.

[madinmaryland]

15. That's my concern, also. Since I don't trust Moscow Mitch, I don't think you could

Expect him to not continue stacking the federal courts.

[Garrett78]

6. I want Trump to be forbidden from ever making a public statement again. No Twitter, no TV, nothing.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. He agrees to be deported and stripped of his US citizenship...

...and leaves all electronic devices behind.

Russia agrees to take him, and promptly puts him up in a one-bedroom at a Khrushchyovka in Norilsk, where he lives out the rest of his life frozen and forgotten.

Ideally I want him prosecuted, but if there's one outcome where he avoids prosecution, that would be it.

[brooklynite]

9. First: Who is "The Republicans"? Second: How do you enforce any of that?

The GOP certainly can't impose it's position on the President, and there isn't a "GOP" to negotiate with who can make decisions on behalf of the Party.

[Buckeyeblue]

10. I think this is in the making

I suggested it earlier today. I don't know that Pelosi being president is in our or her own best interests. Let Pence be president. I don't even care if he pardons Trump. And let Pence try to get the nomination. He won't get it.

The only other stipulation I would ask for would be no judicial nominees until 2021.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

12. how would any of this be enforced?

You are correct in that there will not be a simultaneous impeachment of both Trump and Pence. Beyond that, there is no legal way to restrict a President's pardon power, outside of an Amendment, nor is there a way to prevent the GOP from nominating whoever they want.

[Dan]

13. I disagree with #4, Pence can't win.

[AncientGeezer]

14. You or I will be POTUS before R's negotiate ANY of that

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[DeminPennswoods]

16. Would change 4 to

Pence can't submit any judicial nominations. Pence can run as the incumbent if he wants.

Would add:
#5, all judicial nominations are put on hold.

[Ferryboat]

17. You are on to something

Removing Pence will just cause the base to hunker down and fight it out. Pelosi is most likely working hard to avoid this very scenario of ascension.
Better to remove the orange one and hamstring Pence. Allowing GOP to save face . Not that they deserve the courtesy. Much as I want to see the GOP destroyed and all of them defeated. It makes sense not to overreach.

[yellowcanine]

18. No. No deals. Follow the Constitution.

Impeach and remove Trump if possible. And then we let the voters decide who gets to run and who doesn't. No unConstitutional deals. Deals are unenforcable anyway.