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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:08 AM Oct 2019

BREAKING: Appeals Court has REJECTED Trump's appeal of the House Oversight Committee's subpoena for

BREAKING: Appeals Court has REJECTED Trump’s appeal of the House Oversight Committee’s subpoena for his financial records.

Big win for House Democrats.




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BREAKING: Appeals Court has REJECTED Trump's appeal of the House Oversight Committee's subpoena for (Original Post) demmiblue Oct 2019 OP
K & R!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #1
Rick Wilson on the news joost5 Oct 2019 #42
I'm celebrating a temporary win and you're quoting a temporary ally. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #46
You're correct joost5 Oct 2019 #52
When Trump is gone Wilson will go back to attacking Democrats. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #53
When Trump is gone Wilson will go back to attacking Democrats. LenaBaby61 Oct 2019 #55
That's how I feel. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #58
I could listen to them rail against Trump ALL DAY LONG. They are usually right on that part. NCLefty Oct 2019 #70
Why should they change how they feel about politics? Loki Liesmith Oct 2019 #71
You know what? MyOwnPeace Oct 2019 #66
*gasp* NCLefty Oct 2019 #69
K & R for visibility .... n/t MFGsunny Oct 2019 #2
Big Win for Democracy! Cha Oct 2019 #3
Next stop is SCOTUS? NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #4
En Banc review Sanity Claws Oct 2019 #8
Thanks NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #9
It may go to en banc review. Sanity Claws Oct 2019 #12
When or if it does hit scotus what's your best guess on what will happen? cstanleytech Oct 2019 #56
It barely survived the appellate court (2-1) Polybius Oct 2019 #67
Not necessarily - it's not automatic StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #16
Can either party appeal to SCOTUS Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #25
No need for the House to appeal at this point since they prevailed StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #30
Yes, I was wondering why would the Supreme Court even take up this case? There doesn't seem to... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #31
I'll be surprised if the Supreme Court took the case StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #47
I was very, very surprised when they granted cert in Bush v. Gore, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #51
But if they lose an En Banc vote...? Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #37
If there's an en banc, whoever loses can appeal, but there's no guarantee the SCt will take it StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #48
And the sole dissenting Judge...? Grins Oct 2019 #62
That's what I was just thinking. I guess we all know how THAT will turn out. Texin Oct 2019 #22
and on to the supreme court, where i'm sure justice will be... aw sh*t.... unblock Oct 2019 #5
Time frame? bluestarone Oct 2019 #10
there's some urgency to the situation, so i would hope not that long. unblock Oct 2019 #11
Stuff like this they do immediately. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #32
"immediately" in supreme court time scale can mean a month or few. unblock Oct 2019 #36
US v Nixon - three weeks jberryhill Oct 2019 #43
Bush v Gore was four weeks. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #44
oh dear please let's hope the time frame is the only similarity with that case.... unblock Oct 2019 #45
If SCOTUS backs Trump, that's a huge issue for 2020, especially Senate bigbrother05 Oct 2019 #19
Agree.... this could turn out to be really important. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #24
SCOTUS backs Trump means SCOTUS goes rogue. Were are finished as a nation of laws. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #33
We will need the next Dem President to increase the number of justices. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #38
Absolutely or impeach Kavenaugh for his lying under oath. Not about sex assault but stupid stuff Pepsidog Oct 2019 #40
YES, and thank you for saying that! K&R, nt. druidity33 Oct 2019 #63
AWESOME news! bluestarone Oct 2019 #6
That's a big NYET for Trump underpants Oct 2019 #7
K&R Zoonart Oct 2019 #13
Huge win malaise Oct 2019 #14
This is a BFD StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #15
Glad you're here to explain the importance of some of these decisions. Mike 03 Oct 2019 #29
This is NOT good news Trumpdumper Oct 2019 #17
Definitely need another McCain moment. (like the thumbs down) bluestarone Oct 2019 #23
crossing my fingers and toes. riversedge Oct 2019 #27
A win is a win - and this is a win. A big one StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #49
I bet this is the reason trump wanted to pack the courts. calimary Oct 2019 #18
finally!! subana Oct 2019 #20
hand it over bdamomma Oct 2019 #21
woohoo, yippee, hooray iluvtennis Oct 2019 #26
He was right! So much winning! n/t Bromwell Oct 2019 #28
Hand them over Donnie!! SummerSnow Oct 2019 #34
Confusion comes from NY case dealing with the same issues, but I think NY is a state court matter on Pepsidog Oct 2019 #35
NY case was a federal district court case StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #50
See there's the confusion factor. I thought NY case was Letitia James NY AG who subpoenaed His tax Pepsidog Oct 2019 #57
It it is confusing, isn't it? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #61
Ok. That makes sense now it was Vance. Thanks for clearing that up. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #64
That was very helpful. Thanks. nt blaze Oct 2019 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #60
Trump judge's dissent is 'extraordinary' dalton99a Oct 2019 #39
Correction: Big win for the country, big win for the rule of law and big win for democracy The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #41
YAY!!! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2019 #54
That didn't take long dlk Oct 2019 #59
I don't think they'll take the case. Roberts doesn't want his court to appear biased, and if he napi21 Oct 2019 #68

joost5

(421 posts)
52. You're correct
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 12:40 PM
Oct 2019

We should celebrate the wins no matter how incremental, no matter how much it feels like Lucy will pull Charlie's football away again. This is progress. Sorry I interjected gloom. It's a WIN! YAY!

Rick Wilson (author of Everything Trump Touches Dies: A Republican Strategist Gets Real About the Worst President Ever) has been truthful as a pundit on MSNBC and I respect his integrity.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
55. When Trump is gone Wilson will go back to attacking Democrats.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 02:22 PM
Oct 2019

Which is WHY I'm not jumping on board with these never-tRumpers willy-nilly.

My friend said, Hey wait and see. They might just change how they think about Dems/politics. I told him, yeah, I won't hold my breath waiting to see if that happens

Hey, IF, IF, IF that happens and current never-tRumpers change their ways as it relates to Dems/politics then great.

Again, I'm not holding my breath.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
70. I could listen to them rail against Trump ALL DAY LONG. They are usually right on that part.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:54 AM
Oct 2019

And they seem more passionate than many Dems on TV about it!

Having said that, when Trump is gone from my life, they are too unless they have seriously moved to the left.

I tried listening to Steve Schmidt's podcast. I turned it off inside of 15 minutes because they kept talking about the conservative point of view. There's a reason I don't watch Fox News. I already know who they are. :p

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
8. En Banc review
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:13 AM
Oct 2019

That means it is reviewed by all judges in that appellate court sitting as one. Today's ruling is by a 3 court panel of the appellate court.

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
12. It may go to en banc review.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:22 AM
Oct 2019

I haven't done appellate work in federal courts for over a decade now and won't venture an opinion whether that is required prior to requesting Supreme Court review.

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
56. When or if it does hit scotus what's your best guess on what will happen?
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 02:51 PM
Oct 2019

Will they turn it away as not an area for scotus to be involved in or will the conservative judges show their where their true loyalties lay yet once again?

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
67. It barely survived the appellate court (2-1)
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:22 PM
Oct 2019

The SC is certain to take it, and it will no doubt be overturned.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. Not necessarily - it's not automatic
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:29 AM
Oct 2019

A majority of the acting sitting judges must vote to go to en banc. If they don't, no en banc ...

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
31. Yes, I was wondering why would the Supreme Court even take up this case? There doesn't seem to...
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:42 AM
Oct 2019

be an issue of law that needs re-interpretation, etc. Am I right in my understanding?

Also, just wait, they'll come out and say they don't even have any financial papers or tax returns, just like D Bank did the other day...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
51. I was very, very surprised when they granted cert in Bush v. Gore,
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 12:37 PM
Oct 2019

which IMHO they shouldn't have done at all. But my guess is that the Supremes, even Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, won't want to touch any aspect of Trump's dumpster fire unless they absolutely have to.

Grins

(7,212 posts)
62. And the sole dissenting Judge...?
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

Judge Neomi Rao. Who took Brett “Boofer” Kavanaugh’s seat. And if you are not familiar with this judicial blight - Google her!

unblock

(52,196 posts)
11. there's some urgency to the situation, so i would hope not that long.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:18 AM
Oct 2019

but the supreme court is not known for speed....

unblock

(52,196 posts)
36. "immediately" in supreme court time scale can mean a month or few.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:54 AM
Oct 2019

yes it jumps up in the schedule ahead of less urgent matters, but the appellant still needs to file the appeal, a justice needs to read it and decide if the full court will hear it, then schedule that to happen, then they have to decide it, etc.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
19. If SCOTUS backs Trump, that's a huge issue for 2020, especially Senate
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019

Majority of voters think he's guilty and that would be a huge FU and should drive many of the complacent out to take back the Senate

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
40. Absolutely or impeach Kavenaugh for his lying under oath. Not about sex assault but stupid stuff
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 12:03 PM
Oct 2019

Like “Renata Club”, “Boof” etc. I was in HS when Kavenaugh was And we all know Boof didn’t mean farting.

Trumpdumper

(171 posts)
17. This is NOT good news
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:33 AM
Oct 2019

It was a split decision. The two D-appointed judges voted in the majority. The former clerk to Clarence Thomas dissented. This is a tea leaf. The associated members of the Supreme Court will be split 4-4, and we will see whether John Roberts will summon the will to do the right thing.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
18. I bet this is the reason trump wanted to pack the courts.
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019

Assuming that friendly judges (including two new justices) will hand him friendly rulings in the future. To show their gratitude for their big promotions. Remember, he’s the guy who makes all those “great deals. The best deals, dontchaknow.”

subana

(586 posts)
20. finally!!
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019

& there will be a whole lot of bad shit in those documents!! I'm guessing it's a whole lot of Russian money.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
35. Confusion comes from NY case dealing with the same issues, but I think NY is a state court matter on
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 11:50 AM
Oct 2019

appeal.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
57. See there's the confusion factor. I thought NY case was Letitia James NY AG who subpoenaed His tax
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oct 2019

returns and Dotard filed a last minute injunction to stop the release.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
61. It it is confusing, isn't it?
Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:52 PM
Oct 2019

Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan DA, subpoenaed the records in a state investigation. Trump went to federal district court to ask it to issue an injunction blocking him from having to turn over the records. The court refuse to do so, and Trump appealed to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, which issued a stay allowing him to hold off on turning the records over immediately.

Today's case involves the House Oversight Committee's subpoena of Trump's tax records from his accountants. The DC federal District Court ruled in the House's favor and the DC Crcuit Court of Appeals today upheld them

Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #50)

napi21

(45,806 posts)
68. I don't think they'll take the case. Roberts doesn't want his court to appear biased, and if he
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 01:01 AM
Oct 2019

sides with the Dems on the court, the vote to take the case would be 5-4.

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