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Fri Oct 11, 2019, 05:19 PM

I just had to explain to an Asian colleague & friend why he should avoid the OK sign.

He was proudly responding to every slack thread with the ok sign.

I hated to burst his bubble.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

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Reply I just had to explain to an Asian colleague & friend why he should avoid the OK sign. (Original post)
Xipe Totec Oct 11 OP
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 11 #1
Xipe Totec Oct 11 #2
Girard442 Oct 11 #4
pnwmom Oct 11 #13
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 12 #14
elocs Oct 12 #17
Crunchy Frog Oct 12 #23
Tipperary Oct 12 #20
lunatica Oct 11 #3
Blue_true Oct 11 #11
lunatica Oct 11 #12
LiberalFighter Oct 11 #5
Ron Obvious Oct 12 #37
sl8 Oct 11 #6
NCLefty Oct 11 #7
snort Oct 11 #8
virgogal Oct 11 #9
Xipe Totec Oct 11 #10
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 12 #15
Lars39 Oct 12 #19
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 12 #16
Tipperary Oct 12 #21
Xipe Totec Oct 12 #38
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 12 #39
Xipe Totec Oct 14 #42
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 14 #43
elocs Oct 12 #18
phleshdef Oct 12 #24
elocs Oct 12 #31
phleshdef Oct 12 #32
elocs Oct 12 #35
phleshdef Oct 12 #36
hmanne Oct 12 #41
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 12 #40
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 12 #26
hmanne Oct 12 #27
phleshdef Oct 12 #22
hmanne Oct 12 #25
GulfCoast66 Oct 12 #28
hmanne Oct 12 #30
cwydro Oct 12 #33
hmanne Oct 12 #34
Iggo Oct 12 #29

Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 05:40 PM

1. That's dumb. Use the sign. I do.

Some fringe white supremacists are co-opting it, but the context is super easy to see.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 05:57 PM

2. Or not. nt

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:08 PM

4. It would be possible, in theory, to "take back" the swastika.

Good luck with that.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 08:10 PM

13. Exactly. My mother had an antique table with that shape along the edges.

No one wanted to inherit it.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:47 AM

14. I wouldn't say it's that far gone.

White supremacists have been using the symbol for a couple years. Itís not mainstream, and still a fringe symbol.

The average person still uses the OK symbol to say OK. And itís still a part of the never-ending asshole game.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:49 AM

23. I don't think it's reached swastika level proportions.

If it becomes the main symbol under which a large scale genocide is committed, that would probably change.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:44 AM

20. I agree

Silliness.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:04 PM

3. It IS a little better than the Scalia Salute, don't you think?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 07:13 PM

11. What is the Scalia salute. I apologize for asking, but my life can be pretty sheltered at times. nt

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 08:07 PM

12. OK, here's some internationally recognized language in most countries

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12042658/ns/politics/t/scalias-italian-gesture-confused-obscenity/#.XaEkYspMGhA

&feature=share

Itís hand gestures used to insult. Note the fingers under the chin and the extended arm with the other hand on the biceps in the video.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:13 PM

5. I don't remember the okay sign being with the fingers spread.

Every time I did it I had them together.

The only other time the 3 fingers are spread is for the letter F in deaf sign language. But! It is presented with the palm towards the viewer and circle is not visible.

The side view of the letter F is not the known okay sign nor a deaf sign.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:34 PM

37. Really? I find it damn hard to keep the other three fingers together

I can hardly manage it.

This is such a stupid issue, I can't believe people are up in arms about it.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:21 PM

6. Also listed is "100%", the numbers 12, 13, 14, 18... n/t

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:24 PM

7. I knew a Korean guy. He told me a woman told him to speak English here but he didn't think it was

racist.

/shrug

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:32 PM

8. Just do it with the left hand

then it sounds like a laundry detergent.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:35 PM

9. I will continue to use it,it's been around forever. Okay?

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Response to virgogal (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 06:46 PM

10. Knock yourself out. nt

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Response to virgogal (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:50 AM

15. Ok.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:14 AM

19. See how he positions his thumb and forefinger? That is "OK".

The way you see most white nationalists make their symbol is with the tip of the forefinger placed precisely over the tip of the thumb.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 08:51 AM

16. Way to whitesplain to your Asian friend that he's

being a white supremacist.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:45 AM

21. Ha!

Spot on!

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:53 PM

38. So, you think I'm white?

Based on zero information.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:00 PM

39. Well, you told your Asian friend he was being a white supremacist...

Most POC aren't that tone deaf to tell that to another POC, but hey. There's always an exception to the rule.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:31 PM

42. Chinga a tu puta madre pendejo gabacho.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:47 PM

43. Wow. Nice ad hom! Disguising it in Spanish so no one will notice, eh? nt

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Response to elocs (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:50 AM

24. Its not even the old meaning. Its STILL the real meaning.

To hell with allowing white supremacists dictate popular culture.

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Response to elocs (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 11:19 AM

32. Like it or not, it means OKAY and I will continue to use it as such.

You don't get a say.

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Response to elocs (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:32 PM

36. No, evidently I'm not a coward who bows down before white supremacists.

I don't give 2 fucks what anything means in Afghanistan and Brazil as I will never step foot in those countries, ever. But go ahead and try to (and fail to) muddy the waters with irrelevant "fun facts" about other countries and their hand gestures. I'm a god damn American and these Nazi fucks will not successfully alter my day to day life. Our side needs to stop being so chicken shit about this garbage.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #36)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:03 PM

41. Well said,

 

well said.

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Response to elocs (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 06:02 PM

40. It's also used in ASL.

All those deaf people who use ASL to communicate are obviously white supremacists, though.

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Response to elocs (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:05 AM

26. Nah, it's been the OK symbol forever and is still in use

as such with much of America.

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Response to elocs (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:08 AM

27. I'm 73 and I still see it in use quite commonly,

 

even here in So. Cal.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:49 AM

22. I REFUSE to allow white supremacists to change my normal behaviors.

Stop being suckers.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 09:53 AM

25. I still use it.

 

I refuse to bow down to those that think they've co-opted the OK sign that's been around for as long as I can remember, all my friends and family knows what I mean when I give the OK sign and that's all that matters.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:12 AM

28. When in rural China several years ago people always wanted photos with the wife and I.

I assume because her hair is curly and dark blond.

They normally made the thumbs up sign but occasionally would give the OK sign in the photo.

Shame on me for not telling them they were white supremacist.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:17 AM

30. LOL, I just spit my morning coffee all over my screen

 

reading your reply.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:40 PM

33. Lol! Too funny!

Fuck the white supremacists.

Iím more likely to use a thumbs up, but I think this nonsense about the white supremacists somehow making that sign theirs is just that - nonsense.

Same thing about some of the early flags. No white supremacist will steal history from me.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:46 PM

34. +100.

 

I wonder if the powers the be here on DU could add an OK sign in the smilies section just to throw it at the conservanazis?

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:15 AM

29. One more time: It's not the "OK" sign. It's the "W" sign for white power.

The okay sign for "okay" is okay.

Flashing the "W" sign for white power is not okay.

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