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TeamPooka

(24,216 posts)
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:47 AM Sep 2012

Steve Jobs is the Henry Ford of China not an American hero...

and if I hear one more person talking about his wonderful "legacy" and how great he was I'm going to puke.
If we were making Apple phones and iPads in the USA I would say he was a great American but he was just another greedy rich jerk with talent.

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Steve Jobs is the Henry Ford of China not an American hero... (Original Post) TeamPooka Sep 2012 OP
+1 TransitJohn Sep 2012 #1
Good Article: LuvLoogie Sep 2012 #2
sigh TeamPooka Sep 2012 #3
Another good article, moondust Sep 2012 #5
and my point is made. Thank you. TeamPooka Sep 2012 #6
Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985 LuvLoogie Sep 2012 #7
Insults don't help your argument and ... TeamPooka Sep 2012 #8
I suppose insults are okay LuvLoogie Sep 2012 #9
trash this thread...love that feature. flamebait. Ellipsis Sep 2012 #4

LuvLoogie

(6,973 posts)
2. Good Article:
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 02:37 AM
Sep 2012
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/08/17/why-amazon-cant-make-a-kindle-in-the-usa/

From the Article:


Amazon couldn’t make a Kindle here if it wanted to

Decades of outsourcing manufacturing have left U.S. industry without the means to invent the next generation of high-tech products that are key to rebuilding its economy, as noted by Gary Pisano and Willy Shih in a classic article, “Restoring American Competitiveness” (Harvard Business Review, July-August 2009)

The U.S. has lost or is on the verge of losing its ability to develop and manufacture a slew of high-tech products. Amazon’s Kindle 2 couldn’t be made in the U.S., even if Amazon wanted to:

The flex circuit connectors are made in China because the US supplier base migrated to Asia.
The electrophoretic display is made in Taiwan because the expertise developed from producting flat-panel LCDs migrated to Asia with semiconductor manufacturing.
The highly polished injection-molded case is made in China because the U.S. supplier base eroded as the manufacture of toys, consumer electronics and computers migrated to China.
The wireless card is made in South Korea because that country became a center for making mobile phone components and handsets.
The controller board is made in China because U.S. companies long ago transferred manufacture of printed circuit boards to Asia.
The Lithium polymer battery is made in China because battery development and manufacturing migrated to China along with the development and manufacture of consumer electronics and notebook computers.

An exception is Apple [AAPL], which “has been able to preserve a first-rate design capability in the States so far by remaining deeply involved in the selection of components, in industrial design, in software development, and in the articulation of the concept of its products and how they address users’ needs.”
A chain reaction of decline

Pisano and Shih continue:

“So the decline of manufacturing in a region sets off a chain reaction. Once manufacturing is outsourced, process-engineering expertise can’t be maintained, since it depends on daily interactions with manufacturing. Without process-engineering capabilities, companies find it increasingly difficult to conduct advanced research on next-generation process technologies. Without the ability to develop such new processes, they find they can no longer develop new products. In the long term, then, an economy that lacks an infrastructure for advanced process engineering and manufacturing will lose its ability to innovate.”

moondust

(19,966 posts)
5. Another good article,
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 03:20 AM
Sep 2012

this one by an economics professor in Tokyo:

How the iPhone widens the US trade deficit with China

~snip~

Could the iPhone be assembled in the US?

There is no doubt that US workers and firms are capable of assembling iPhones. If all iPhones were assembled in the US, the $1.9 billion trade deficit would not exist. There are two possible reasons for Apple to use China as an exclusive assembly centre for iPhones. One is competition, the other is profit maximisation.

The gross profit margin of the iPhone was 62% when the phone was launched in 2007, then rose to 64% in 2009 due to reductions in manufacturing costs (table 3). If the market were perfectly competitive, the expected profit margin would be much lower and close to its marginal cost. The surging sales and high profit margin suggest that the intensity of competition is fairly low and Apple maintains a relative monopoly position. Therefore, it is not the competition but profit maximisation that drives the iPhone’ s assembly to China.

~snip~ (table 3 - profit margins)

An interesting hypothetical scenario is one where Apple had all iPhones assembled in the US. Assuming that the wage of American workers is ten times as high as those of their Chinese counterparts, the total assembly cost would rise to $68 and total manufacturing cost would be pushed to approximately $240. Selling iPhones assembled by American workers at $500 per unit would still leave a 50% profit margin for Apple. In this hypothetical scenario, the iPhone could contribute to US exports and reduce the US trade deficit, not only with China, but also with the rest of world. More importantly, Apple would create jobs for US low-skilled workers.

~more~

http://voxeu.org/article/how-iphone-widens-us-trade-deficit-china

LuvLoogie

(6,973 posts)
7. Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:55 AM
Sep 2012

And formed Next Computer. He didn't return until 1996 or 97 to become CEO. Apple was floundering. Michael Dell had said that Steve Jobs should liquidate the company and return the money to the share holders. Steve Jobs did not do this. The iMac was designed and built instead. It was built in America during a time when Tech manufacturing began going whole hog to Asia. Dell computer began building in China, too. Most of the tech supply chain is in Asia.

Apple began it's steady climb back building in the USA. All kinds of manufacturing has left this country. Steve Jobs didn't start that trend. It was already starting when Jobs went back to Apple. Apple has built huge cash reserves and may yet build factories in the U.S., but it can't build a whole supply infrastructure on it's own. Apple was often hamstrung by failing to meet demand. It is not going to let that happen again.

There are many issues regarding modernizing american manufacturing and it involves education, training and support from the Federal Government. It may also require tariffs, because I don't ever see American workers tolerating Chinese conditions, nor should they.

The article in Forbes offers solutions as well. Steve Jobs is dead. You should grow up and let it go.

TeamPooka

(24,216 posts)
8. Insults don't help your argument and ...
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:26 AM
Sep 2012

at any time when Jobs "reinvented" the cell phone or the Tablet he could have chosen to make them here.
Period.

Everything is a choice in life.
Like the personal insult you chose to send my way at the end of your point.
Apparently you could not make your case without it.

Welcome to DU.
Hope you get to stick around.

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