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BREAKING: Pelosi, Hoyer and Schumer walk out of White House meeting because Trump "melted down" (Original Post) StarfishSaver Oct 2019 OP
Trump reportedly called Pelosi a third-rate politician. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #1
I wonder what he called Schumer and Hoyer ... Oh, yes. They're men. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #10
Not just men Cartoonist Oct 2019 #15
LOL! You are SO right! StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #21
Bwahahaha...you KNOW Nancy kept a straight face. Volaris Oct 2019 #48
When I was a kid DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #63
I believe he actually... WiffenPoof Oct 2019 #108
Details! I want details! (nt) Paladin Oct 2019 #2
Baker said he called Pelosi "A third rate politician." madaboutharry Oct 2019 #3
WHO is "sympathetic to communists"? Maybe he should take a look in the mirror. nt woodsprite Oct 2019 #9
So...Putin's Puppy is... not? lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #36
The last tsar. Vlad The Inferior. erronis Oct 2019 #50
Russia is now less socialist than the West JonLP24 Oct 2019 #69
Hogwash. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #95
I can't copy and paste JonLP24 Oct 2019 #98
Simply having state enterprises doesn't make it more socialist. grantcart Oct 2019 #99
"Russia is now less socialist than the West" OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #100
There are many factors that contribute to being "socialist" grantcart Oct 2019 #102
Veered off into the straw, have you? OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #109
I previously stated that you were expressing a two dimensional understanding in equating grantcart Oct 2019 #110
Repugs: Projection is their default sarge43 Oct 2019 #38
More like.... SergeStorms Oct 2019 #41
I sit corrected. :) n/t sarge43 Oct 2019 #61
Projection. Always. Projection. OMGWTF Oct 2019 #66
Projection is predictable part of his narcissism William Seger Oct 2019 #68
And how many? ThoughtCriminal Oct 2019 #73
Exactly bdamomma Oct 2019 #91
Kind of a third-rate insult BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #13
Says Putin's BBF LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #37
There he Rebl2 Oct 2019 #54
There are different kinds of communists. soldierant Oct 2019 #64
I agree JonLP24 Oct 2019 #70
On Nicolle Wallace's show right now. Miles Archer Oct 2019 #4
Trump knows he is going to be impeached. shockey80 Oct 2019 #5
Don't worry.... SergeStorms Oct 2019 #42
I wish he would just flee the country and join one of his dictator pals. Lonestarblue Oct 2019 #43
He could live out his retirement in luxury like Idi Amin. He'd have to convert though. Marcuse Oct 2019 #107
Sounds like the HEAT is getting too great for the asshole? bluestarone Oct 2019 #6
that's what I'm thinking NJCher Oct 2019 #55
Never forget that Trump, the stable genius, stared directly into the Sun during last year's eclipse. Vinnie From Indy Oct 2019 #7
They need to poke that bear MuseRider Oct 2019 #8
It used to be that Pelosi screwed with him by saying just the right thing at the right time. Now she StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #11
Time for all good persons to shout back at MF45. MFGsunny Oct 2019 #12
Oh deer! H2O Man Oct 2019 #14
+1 2naSalit Oct 2019 #89
NICOLE WALLACE JUST COVERED THIS STORY. She HATES Trump and said he "Melted Down" in the meeting trueblue2007 Oct 2019 #16
Coming from a 2nd rate con man I'd take that as a compliment Instant Liberal Oct 2019 #17
Just heard this on MSNBC Mike 03 Oct 2019 #18
Lordy I hope there's a tape nt intrepidity Oct 2019 #19
+1 H2O Man Oct 2019 #23
Pelosi's response: tblue37 Oct 2019 #20
Avatar, heah! Get'cher Nancy clap avatar heah! JHB Oct 2019 #33
Anybody who isn't hanging their head in shame over him should be voted the hell out of office. nolabear Oct 2019 #22
trump is losing it Gothmog Oct 2019 #24
We're dealing with a 74 year old toddler. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #25
Except toddlers are better behaved, have a lot of downtime and eventually grow out of it StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #28
Very true! Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #31
Baby! Baby!! Waaah!!! WAAAH!!! DinahMoeHum Oct 2019 #30
Toddlers have their good moments and are cute. gordianot Oct 2019 #35
Yes, I love toddlers LiberalBrooke Oct 2019 #74
Melting? Sounds like something that would happen to a wicked witch... Blue Owl Oct 2019 #26
Ain't gonna faze Pelosi. She knows all about potty training. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2019 #27
He's sniffing a lot. MontanaMama Oct 2019 #29
Am I missing something? Has the GOP leadership met with Trump at the WH? Raven123 Oct 2019 #32
What I was wondering too. Why go there? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #96
Considering those who he considers "first rate" politicians The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #34
On Nicolle just now: the letter from Trump to Erdogan Hekate Oct 2019 #39
Here's the letter for those interested Danascot Oct 2019 #67
In all future meetings they should be prepared with PACIFIERS! bluestarone Oct 2019 #40
that's brilliant NJCher Oct 2019 #56
Wallace just read Trump's letter to Erdogan. I'm speechless. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #44
You learn something every day. SergeStorms Oct 2019 #45
So... I take it Infrastructure Week is on hold again? Hugin Oct 2019 #46
... leftstreet Oct 2019 #58
He is such a despicable man. gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #47
I hope Pelosi gave Trump the Mommy Shark clap again. Nt spooky3 Oct 2019 #49
Donald Trump - CARPET CHEWER amb123 Oct 2019 #51
sympathetic to communists, eh? ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #52
E-FUCKING-NOUGH ALREADY!!!! GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #53
+1000. nt ecstatic Oct 2019 #62
It won't be long now. lpbk2713 Oct 2019 #57
I'm thinking some time in November. Maybe sooner Cousin Dupree Oct 2019 #65
Typical 4 year old behavior but not very manly let alone presidential. appleannie1 Oct 2019 #59
So strange.....such a insult filled pint of shit. Hulk Oct 2019 #60
If we doubled their pay, to compensate them for having to deal with that shitbag, Mc Mike Oct 2019 #71
Shame on Kevin McCarthy and the other GOP enablers who stayed ThoughtCriminal Oct 2019 #72
Yes. Not one of those spineless wonders spoke up loudly and said LuckyLib Oct 2019 #94
Only Speaker Pelosi irisblue Oct 2019 #75
Must be hard for a tyrant. ffr Oct 2019 #76
His P.R.Trifecta Today:slime both The Kurds and Pelosi,attempts photo op torture of grieving parents stuffmatters Oct 2019 #77
Some fun captions Gothmog Oct 2019 #78
It's all just he said/she said jayschool2013 Oct 2019 #79
Calling her a name... zentrum Oct 2019 #80
Seriously? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #85
Yes. They need to describe more. zentrum Oct 2019 #87
Only idiots need additional descriptions at this point StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #92
When I entered zentrum Oct 2019 #103
I think my comment was unduly harsh StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #104
Have sometimes done the same here. zentrum Oct 2019 #106
lulz just stop obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #86
Great. Hope you're right... zentrum Oct 2019 #88
Nancy, wear a hidden body cam next time. edbermac Oct 2019 #81
25th amendment time Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #82
Video ffr Oct 2019 #83
When the person you talk to is a bully and a man-child sakabatou Oct 2019 #84
That's bdamomma Oct 2019 #90
When a toddler is throwing a tantrum, turn and walk away. Hassler Oct 2019 #93
Intervention needed quick! Aussie105 Oct 2019 #97
My title is, 'THE SPEAKER PUT TRAITORTRUMP IN A BAD PLACE' empedocles Oct 2019 #101
Speaker Pelosi xxqqqzme Oct 2019 #105

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
48. Bwahahaha...you KNOW Nancy kept a straight face.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:06 PM
Oct 2019

But internally she was laughing her goddamm skinny ASS OFF!

'she will cut your goddamn head off, and you wont even know you're bleeding.'

Nancy, impeach the both of them and be done with this.
At this point, do it just because YOU CAN.

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
63. When I was a kid
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:52 PM
Oct 2019

When I was a kid, they didn't call it dementia or Alzheimers, they called it "their second childhood" because of their actions......

Sound familiar????????

The lard ass is a fucking bully and a pussy, and wouldn't dare get in a guy's face...........chicken shit....

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
69. Russia is now less socialist than the West
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:40 PM
Oct 2019

They sold out to private corporations and oligarchs a long time ago. They have a two tier system. Rubles for the poor, dollar or euros for the rich.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
95. Hogwash.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:19 PM
Oct 2019
State-owned enterprises in Russia still play an important role in the national economy. The approximately 4,100 enterprises that have some degree of state ownership accounted for 39% of all employment in 2007 (down from over 80% in 1990). In 2007, SOEs controlled 64% of the banking sector, 47% of the oil and gas sector and 37% of the utility sector.

State corporations are established by the Russian government to boost industrial sectors. Rosstat figures show that 529,300 enterprises are partly or wholly owned by the state, of which between 30,000 and 31,000 are commercial companies (generating revenue). The 54 largest enterprises account for over two-thirds of the total revenues generated by state-owned organizations. SOEs account for 40% of the capitalization on the Russian stock market, one of the highest shares in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_Russia

Putin has likely increased the government's ownership of enterprise, though estimates vary dramatically.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
98. I can't copy and paste
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:12 AM
Oct 2019

But read this. Anything but communist.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Russia-a-democratic-or-communist-country

A superpower can be bad no matter what their ideology is though don't know if Russia counts as a super power anymore.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
99. Simply having state enterprises doesn't make it more socialist.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:16 AM
Oct 2019

Having significant amounts of capital in state hands simply means that it has a lot of state capital. Not advocating for or against but simply noting that everything doesn't neatly fall into being either capitalist or socialist. I have lived in countries that were very capitalist and had state enterprises.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
100. "Russia is now less socialist than the West"
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 11:05 AM
Oct 2019

C'mon.

Yes, Russia is a mixed-economy, including oligarchs and kleptocrats. However, there is no western nation that is even remotely comparable to Russia in respect to state ownership of enterprise. Including, BTW, profit-making industries.

Russia is still predominantly a socialist nation. Not sure why anyone would attempt to argue otherwise.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
102. There are many factors that contribute to being "socialist"
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 11:41 AM
Oct 2019

And the amount of state enterprises in an economy wouldn't be counted in the top 30.

You have a very 2 dimensional understanding of both socialism and state enterprises.

Apparently you are mot aware that the most highly developed fascist states of the 20th century had very prominent use of state enterprises.

Being a socialist country also means that state apparatus and access to power is widely held and accessible to the people.

Russia is the world's most concentrated plutocracy with the political, economic and legal power highly concentrated into the hands of a small group headed by Putin who has made a mockery of constitutional rule by not respecting limits to power and never leaving power despite term limits.

Having state owned enterprises have nothing to do whether a country is socialist or not because state owned enterprises in Russia are not run by independent non partisan boards with strong representation by state employee unions but instead are extensions of power by plutocrats.

This in fact exactly what the controversy in Ukraine about the State owned natural gas state enterprise is about, whether it will be operated under a board that is under the control of Putin or under the control of the new reform government.

Giuliani is part of a scheme to appoint new board members that would continue to require per cubic payments to Putin's hand picked representative as he has done in the past.

Putin uses state enterprises to siphon off billions to his crime operation his personal wealth. The state enterprises in Russia may be state owned on paper but they operate to enrich the plutocracy and not the citizenry and to call them socialist is naive.

England with its high tax rate, socialized medicine and a political/legal system that is accessible to the average citizen is 100 times more socialist than Putin's plutocracy which is run for the benefit of ruling elites.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
109. Veered off into the straw, have you?
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:05 PM
Oct 2019

Neither of my replies suggested that Russia is a socialist state. Rather, they were in response to the assertion that "Russia is now less socialist than the West". It's an absurd argument that attaches to your contention that socialism is not, in fact, easily definable. You're welcome to establish an infinite number of dimensions to your definition, but it's just as ridiculous as all of the recent attempts by the left to re-define socialism according to the constructs of right-wing propagandists.

This board is replete with juvenile assertions that the West is socialist because we have public roads, education, military and welfare programs, including, laughably, Medicare and Social Security. Your English example is especially embarrassing, as England is arguably more democratic than, for example, the U.S., with its highly representative parliamentary system, myriad of voting systems, and national referenda.

If the state owns substantial industry, it doesn't matter "who" the state is. They are in competition with private enterprise or, more likely, have monopolized enterprises, thereby eliminating private competition altogether. That's true even if the "state" is corrupted. More socialist nations show more state ownership of the economy. It really is that simple.

Forget about England for a second. What does the U.S. government own? More specifically, what profit-making enterprises does the U.S. government own? Should be simple, as Russia is now less socialist than the West, right?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
110. I previously stated that you were expressing a two dimensional understanding in equating
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:41 PM
Oct 2019

state ownership of a state enterprise as some kind of a metric for how socialistic a country is. Clearly I overshot it by one dimension.

As I referenced above the nationalization of private companies was a key factor in the formation of the Nazification of the German economy in the 1930s



Nationalization was particularly important in the early 1930s in Germany. The state took over a large industrial concern, large commercial banks, and other minor firms.

In doing so, they went against the mainstream trends in western capitalistic countries, none of which systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. It was used as a political tool to enhance support for the government and for the Nazi Party. In addition, growing financial restrictions because of the cost of the rearmament programme provided additional motivations for privatization.



Does this mean that state enterprises are inherently fascist? No but by the same token they are not inherently socialist either.

The existence of state enterprises, by itself, has zero to do with whether a country is more or less socialistic and it is easily provable. I have lived in many countries, including a communist country, that have large use of state enterprises. I have in laws that work for those state enterprises.

In some cases a state enterprise will work for the benefit of the people and in other it serves as a conduit to skim off funds from the people for thieves in power. In Thailand the crooks in the previous regime stole money from one of the state enterprise banks and laundered the money through a Buddhist temple.

In Ukraine Putin insisted that a percentage of the pipeline profits from RosUkrEnergo' go to Semion Mogilevich.

Mogilevich is at the center of the Russian Mafia.

You can read more about him here



Mogilevich's nicknames include "Don Semyon" and "The Brainy Don" (because of his business acumen).[7] According to US diplomatic cables, he is said to control RosUkrEnergo, a company actively involved in Russia–Ukraine gas disputes, and a partner of Raiffeisen Bank.[8]

He now lives freely in Moscow, and has three children. He is most closely associated with the Solntsevskaya Bratva crime group. Political figures he has close alliances with include Yury Luzhkov, the former Mayor of Moscow, Dmytro Firtash and Leonid Derkach, former head of the Security Service of Ukraine.[9][10] Oleksandr Turchynov, who was designated as acting President of Ukraine in February 2014, appeared in court in 2010 for allegedly destroying files pertaining to Mogilevich.[11] Defector Alexander Litvinenko, shortly before his assassination, claimed that Mogilevich had a "good relationship" with Vladimir Putin since the 1990s.[12]




When you take a state enterprise and force it to pay a percentage of its revenues to mafia organizations and those profits are shared with the political elite, as has been happening with Russian state enterprises those enterprises simple become a conduit of corruption for the plutocracy.

In the United States we have lots of corporations who function as state enterprises but we don't use that terminology.

A few examples, Public Utilities, Airports, Community College Systems and Professional Sports Arenas and Stadiums.

Clearly community colleges are operated more for the benefit of the citizenry and don't benefit any particular contractor or group so would be more "socialist" than not.

City and community owned airports operate for the benefit of the public and the corporations that run the airlines that use the airport. They are really neutral in terms of serving a particular constituency and aren't intended to return profits to the government agency that runs them.

Professional Sports Arenas and Stadiums which are owned mostly by cities offer their facilities to professional teams whose owners are almost all billionaires. With the exception of the Green Bay Packers whose stock is owned by the community these state enterprises are subsidizing the cost of the business for a class of billionaires whose investment has a much higher ROI than any other industry average. These state enterprises are the antithesis of "socialism" but the assets are owned by the community.

The term "State Enterprise" covers a wide range of varying type of organizations and is used in all kinds of governments from Nazi Germany to Stalinist USSR and even in mixed systems like ours. Anyone who thinks that the number of state enterprises indicates how the basic capital formation or market forces in a particular country operate simply doesn't understand the nature of state enterprises or the fundamentals of economics.

It is clear that you think that the statistics showing how many state enterprises there are somehow correlates to "state ownership of the economy"

There is no such correlation. Singapore has very few state corporations, much less on a per capita basis than other developed countries. The government of Singapore owns 76.2% of land in Singapore. There simply is no correlation between the number of state enterprises that operate in that country and as has been pointed out in detail above simply having government ownership doesn't mean that the enterprise operates for the benefit of the people. In a very large percent of the cases state enterprises operate to advance the wealth of the plutocracy and while that is true even here Russia (along with North Korea and Myanmar) is where the plutocracy operates a monopoly on the benefit of state enterprises.

Time is limited and there has to be a basic minimum of grey matter to justify the time spent and that metric also doesn't apply here. You can own the sub thread with any further irrelevancies you wish to deposit, I won't bother to read it but anyone who has made it this far can judge where the facts and reason lay for themselves.

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
38. Repugs: Projection is their default
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

If they're accusing anyone of anything, nine out of ten they're doing it.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
68. Projection is predictable part of his narcissism
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:33 PM
Oct 2019

Like Narcissus, who fell in love with his reflection, Trump only wants to see the beautiful image of Donnie -- the one he attempts to project -- reflected in everyone around him. When he instead sees the real Donnie and his faults, which he is well aware of, it sends him into a narcissistic rage, and the only way he can sooth his damaged ego is to accuse others of having those faults.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
91. Exactly
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:03 PM
Oct 2019

look in the fucking mirror

This is all for money, you need to hear Randi Rhodes. It's all about money.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
37. Says Putin's BBF
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

The same Putin who was head of the KGB in the old communist Soviet Union. Who regularly went after American spies, and for the evangelicals enlightenment shut down "illegal" evangelical churches, and tortured and imprisoned Bible smugglers.

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
64. There are different kinds of communists.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:05 PM
Oct 2019

I'm sympathetic to some ... like Paul Robeson.

I'm sure that the Mango Maggot is sympathetic to some ... like Josef Stalin.

But I don't believe Vlad is a Communist, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't call himself one. He's certainly happy with his stranglehold on the Orthodox Church there. I think he's a combination of a dictator and a plutocrat.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
42. Don't worry....
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:59 PM
Oct 2019

he'll have a law passed, or buy Merriam Webster's, and change the meaning of 'impeached' to - "King of all Humans". He'd do it if he could, believe me. His sub-atomic sized brain won't be able to handle the truth about himself.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
43. I wish he would just flee the country and join one of his dictator pals.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:59 PM
Oct 2019

I’m sure he can live well in Saudi Arabia, though they may not have much use for him once he’s out of power and can’t grant them favors. Why would they even follow up on their likely promises for billions to be invested in his real estate.

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
6. Sounds like the HEAT is getting too great for the asshole?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:31 PM
Oct 2019

Throw some water on him, he could melt! Kinda neat to see him self destruct!

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
7. Never forget that Trump, the stable genius, stared directly into the Sun during last year's eclipse.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:32 PM
Oct 2019

He is not right!

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
8. They need to poke that bear
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:32 PM
Oct 2019

until he totally falls apart. It is the only way to be sure we get rid of him. The rest of them are no picnic but this man is completely unstable and getting worse.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. It used to be that Pelosi screwed with him by saying just the right thing at the right time. Now she
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:33 PM
Oct 2019

just needs to look at him and he spirals out of control.

My grandmother could do that ...

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
12. Time for all good persons to shout back at MF45.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:33 PM
Oct 2019

This one is on your behalf, Madame Speaker ::

"I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces off of me, and sticks to you!"

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
18. Just heard this on MSNBC
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:36 PM
Oct 2019

This sounds really important. Trying to find out more. Will Nancy and Chuck say more about what happened?

JHB

(37,154 posts)
33. Avatar, heah! Get'cher Nancy clap avatar heah!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:44 PM
Oct 2019


Just right-click, save, and use it to update your DU avatar.

nolabear

(41,932 posts)
22. Anybody who isn't hanging their head in shame over him should be voted the hell out of office.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:38 PM
Oct 2019

That asshole. He's disgusting.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
30. Baby! Baby!! Waaah!!! WAAAH!!!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:43 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Baby! Baby!! Waaah!!! WAAAH!!!

But if anyone knows how to potty-train his kind, it's Pelosi.

gordianot

(15,233 posts)
35. Toddlers have their good moments and are cute.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:47 PM
Oct 2019

Trump has no good moments and most definitely not cute.

LiberalBrooke

(527 posts)
74. Yes, I love toddlers
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:58 PM
Oct 2019

They are so cute most of the times and I can even appreciate their meltdowns because they are trying to understand. I remember one of my grandchildren saying “grandma, I’m crying” when I was ignoring her. Of course she had to stop crying to say it. I had a hard time keeping a straight face.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
27. Ain't gonna faze Pelosi. She knows all about potty training. . .
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:42 PM
Oct 2019

. . .with 5 children and 9 grandchildren.

Raven123

(4,791 posts)
32. Am I missing something? Has the GOP leadership met with Trump at the WH?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:44 PM
Oct 2019

Just trying to figure out why Dems are there and the GOP is not. Supposedly, this is a big deal for them

Hekate

(90,552 posts)
39. On Nicolle just now: the letter from Trump to Erdogan
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:52 PM
Oct 2019

I didn't think I could still be this shocked, but I'm kind of dizzy

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
40. In all future meetings they should be prepared with PACIFIERS!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:53 PM
Oct 2019

Every DEM. should be prepared and carry one on their lapel

NJCher

(35,619 posts)
56. that's brilliant
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:42 PM
Oct 2019

little pacifiers pinned to their lapels, right under the American flag pin.

------------

I used to teach a course on how to deal with difficult people. This is what you're supposed to do when someone has a meltdown--say, "I'm sorry you're so angry right now; we can have this discussion at another time." Then leave. Never, ever negotiate with someone who's having either a snit or a meltdown.

I just love it that he's feeling the heat and can't control himself.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
45. You learn something every day.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:03 PM
Oct 2019

Today I learned that shit can melt down. What it melts down into I haven't found out yet, but I'll keep you posted.

lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
57. It won't be long now.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:44 PM
Oct 2019


He's headed for a physical and/or emotional collapse.
My guess is before Christmas.

appleannie1

(5,062 posts)
59. Typical 4 year old behavior but not very manly let alone presidential.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:49 PM
Oct 2019

He can't hold a candle to Pelosi and knows it so he resorts to a temper tantrum.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
60. So strange.....such a insult filled pint of shit.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:49 PM
Oct 2019

Honest to God, every insulting thing he says about ANYBODY seems to be a honest reflection of himself. I'm not exaggerating. I think the guy is mentally disturbed.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
71. If we doubled their pay, to compensate them for having to deal with that shitbag,
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:44 PM
Oct 2019

it wouldn't be nearly enough.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,046 posts)
72. Shame on Kevin McCarthy and the other GOP enablers who stayed
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:46 PM
Oct 2019

and even criticized Pelosi for leaving. They are encouraging this infantile behavior from Trump, and are proving that they too are unfit for the offices they hold.

LuckyLib

(6,817 posts)
94. Yes. Not one of those spineless wonders spoke up loudly and said
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:09 PM
Oct 2019

Mr President, you are OUT OF LINE! Not one? The guy would be a national hero.

jayschool2013

(2,311 posts)
79. It's all just he said/she said
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:08 PM
Oct 2019

Of course, he's a sociopath and a pathological liar, and she's an ethical and accomplished legislator.

So I'm going with "she said."

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
80. Calling her a name...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:16 PM
Oct 2019

...while gross, un-Presidential and childish, doesn't sound like much of a "meltdown" to me.

Pelosi and Schumer will have to say more than that or just look thin-skinned.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
87. Yes. They need to describe more.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:52 PM
Oct 2019

Name-calling does not equal melt-down.

I'm not saying he didn't melt-down. I'm saying they need to describe it with more detail.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
92. Only idiots need additional descriptions at this point
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:02 PM
Oct 2019

And they could be given a treatise and still not get it.

So, no.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
103. When I entered
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 11:48 AM
Oct 2019

....my comment, we did not have any additional description from her, which we have subsequently received, which is what I was asking for.

Guess Democrats who get our message out to the media agreed that more was needed than just a name-call.





zentrum

(9,865 posts)
88. Great. Hope you're right...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:54 PM
Oct 2019

Let's see how it plays out in the media over the next few days.

Update: Ah---I see she is now releasing more details. That's all I wanted.

Aussie105

(5,319 posts)
97. Intervention needed quick!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:37 PM
Oct 2019

Trump needs to go somewhere quiet and secure for detox, and get himself a life coach.

Nancy can run the place until Trump is detoxed, human, and has had an injection of humility and empathy. Followed by a 6 month crash course on 'How to be a US President' with intensive study on the Constitution, the political history of the US, and what the different branches of government actually do.
Throw in some anti-tantrum training, some anti-abuse coaching, and he will be good to go back to his job.
On the proviso of course, that he passes all aspects of his re-education.

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