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Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:40 PM

This is why we need term limits, folks.

If a Congressperson or Senator is limited by law to two or fewer terms he might actually find the gumption to do the right thing... i.e. protecting the country over himself.... instead of trying to hold on to a lifetime gig.


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Reply This is why we need term limits, folks. (Original post)
Goodheart Oct 2019 OP
NightWatcher Oct 2019 #1
JCMach1 Oct 2019 #3
mcar Oct 2019 #4
StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #6
Goodheart Oct 2019 #12
demosincebirth Oct 2019 #25
RockRaven Oct 2019 #30
TheCowsCameHome Oct 2019 #2
dameatball Oct 2019 #5
StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #7
LineLineReply +
struggle4progress Oct 2019 #17
Cracklin Charlie Oct 2019 #8
Goodheart Oct 2019 #9
StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #11
Hekate Oct 2019 #10
tinrobot Oct 2019 #13
StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #14
Goodheart Oct 2019 #20
tinrobot Oct 2019 #28
Goodheart Oct 2019 #29
quaker bill Oct 2019 #15
Goodheart Oct 2019 #18
quaker bill Oct 2019 #32
BootinUp Oct 2019 #16
Goodheart Oct 2019 #19
BootinUp Oct 2019 #22
Goodheart Oct 2019 #23
BootinUp Oct 2019 #24
Goodheart Oct 2019 #26
BootinUp Oct 2019 #27
elocs Oct 2019 #21
LakeArenal Oct 2019 #31
a kennedy Oct 2019 #33

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:41 PM

1. Or you'd get a revolving door of whores du jour.

And we'd miss years of service from people like Elijah Cummings


Pass.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:44 PM

3. This right here is what happens ...

ALEC and special interests like them write the laws...

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:52 PM

4. That's what happened in FL

when the state established term limits. They are all out for what they can get, quickly. See Rubio, Marco.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:03 PM

6. Thank you

No more Elijah Cummings, Ted Kennedys, John Lewises or Nancy Pelosis.

Plenty of Matt Gaetzes.

No, thank you.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:33 PM

12. Are you seriously suggesting we don't have whores in Congress right now?

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

25. It has been working fine here in California

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

30. No, it has not. Since the institution of term limits on the state leg, the influence of

lobbyists has increased. The proportion of bills introduced and passed which are directly authored by lobbyists and special interests has increased. Terms limits have eliminated institutional knowledge and competence from the state legislature and relocated it -- to the extent that it exists -- to the lobbyists, who have much longer career life-spans than anyone else in Sacramento.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:43 PM

2. ...Or screwup bigtime because he/she's not going to worry about re-election.

Double-edged sword, be careful what you wish for.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:00 PM

5. So under that plan would Pelosi still be here? (I know you mean well and it's something to consider)

When we look at someone like Mitch McConnell, yes term limits seem wise. On the other hand what happens when some idjit like Gaetz gets elected? Do we really want him in a seniority role at some point?

It's a question we all have wondered about. Probably best to leave it to the electorate, sometimes sad as that may be.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:04 PM

7. We have term limits

It's more popularly known as voting.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:09 PM

17. +

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:06 PM

8. And no Elijah Cummings.

I think Iíll continue to support letting the voters decide their representation.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:16 PM

9. Elijah Cummings was great, no doubt.... but there are many great people out there.

How do I know this? I can look at 12 people on the Democratic presidential debate stage... 11 of whom would be very capable of being our President.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:32 PM

11. What we need in a president is very different than what we need in a Member of Congress or Senator

But that said, we don't (or at least most of us don't) think that having we should pick our presidents based on how little experience they have in government. To the contrary, extensive experience in the legislature is one of the main reasons most of the candidates you reference are qualified for the presidency.

And, FYI, many of the candidates you look to as examples of people who would make good presidents would have been forced out of office some time ago if term limits were in place.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:22 PM

10. It is not working all that well in Sacramento. "Term limits" for US Senators and Representatives...

...exist as set forth in the US Constitution: it is up to US citizens in each state and district to impose them.

Let it alone.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:35 PM

13. If you're not up for re-election why care about voters?

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:39 PM

14. Term limits are the lazy persons way out of responsibility for their communities

Begging someone to take away my vote because they can't be bothered making the effort required to cast their vote responsibly and participate in the civic process is the definition of copping out.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:34 PM

20. Do YOU care about voters? Are YOU up for reelection?

Believe it or not there are millions of dutiful people around.

It is my belief that a short-term politician can do far less damage than an ingrained one who has built up a network of allegiances and favors.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

28. If there are millions of dutiful people around, then elect some of them.

And if they remain dutiful, why limit how long they can serve?

You're not making much sense.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:15 PM

29. That's a big part of the problem

Those good people are very, very difficult to elect because the rules are stacked against them.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:03 PM

15. Term Limits - A really bad idea

It was invented as a right wing talking point when they had been in the minority for 30+ years.

You end up with new people who may or may not have good ideas, but will have virtually no experience at crafting and passing legislation.

Finally the entire notion limits my right to vote for a good legislator as many times as I like. Why any progressive would advocate taking my right to vote for the candidate of my choosing away is a mystery to me.

If you have a bad rep, organize and vote them out.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:24 PM

18. What makes the Presidency any different?

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:41 PM

32. A constitutional amendment

that I did not vote for and do not agree with. I would be happy to see it repealed.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:08 PM

16. Very wrong, actually.

All term limits do is take choices away. I suggest a little more research. Start by recognizing some of our long time representatives who are actually very good, and then picture a nut job or phony in their place. Itís the purveyors of false hopes, easy solutions with no pain that we should avoid. And plenty of that type have never held the office they are running for.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:31 PM

19. A little more research? Show me where we've ever tried term limits for Congress.

Your argument is bit vacuous, sad to say. Sure, some of our long time representatives are very good but we pay a very heavy price for keeping them there (i.e. an interminable, inscrutable swamp) when there are literally millions of very good people available.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:44 PM

22. Yes, research:

Maybe start here but donít stop here if itís a subject you are interested in: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/01/18/five-reasons-to-oppose-congressional-term-limits/amp/

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:51 PM

23. That's not factual research. Those are OPINIONS, and he's entitled to them.

And there are many reasons for FAVORING term limits, and many people with those OPINIONS.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:58 PM

24. They reference studies even. I'm starting to think

You are not very serious about expanding your knowledge in this area.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

26. Oh yeah? Where's the study where Congress was term-limited? I'm starting to think

you can't comprehend that there are attractive reasons pro and con. And that some can see the enormous damage caused by the cons.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

27. You are welcome for the link to an article with both sides

Of the debate, and free to come to your own conclusion.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:54 PM

31. It would be nice if Obama had run again in 2016

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:42 PM

33. AND NO NANCY PELOSI

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