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Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:15 PM Oct 2019

Woopsie, trump appears to be losing the Military

Talk about tying the hands of our Generals on the ground and the shame the troops feel ...


Loss of US intelligence collection from Syria withdrawal threatens fight against ISIS

The rapid withdrawal of American troops from Syria is stoking the concerns of Congress and former U.S. defense officials who warn the limited American presence and abandonment of an ally will stymie intelligence collection efforts.

Human intelligence networks driven by U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces may all but collapse following President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Syria ahead of a Turkish assault to drive out the Kurdish-led militia.

And limited troop presence in the war torn region coupled with a congested airspace over northern Syria could hamper U.S. air collection assets and loitering surveillance times over suspected ISIS targets.


https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/10/18/loss-of-us-intelligence-collection-from-syria-withdrawal-threatens-fight-against-isis/
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Woopsie, trump appears to be losing the Military (Original Post) Miigwech Oct 2019 OP
I keep wondering how long it iwll be before somone revolts and refuses to follow orders. Amaryllis Oct 2019 #1
Soon, I hope Miigwech Oct 2019 #13
Isn't it terrible........ MyOwnPeace Oct 2019 #2
Agreed Miigwech Oct 2019 #12
I'll bet my rear the average lower ranking member of the military will still vote for trump in 2020. Hoyt Oct 2019 #3
Not for long Miigwech Oct 2019 #7
Why? cwydro Oct 2019 #8
Shame of US turning over our Bases to the Russians Miigwech Oct 2019 #11
My response was to Hoyt. cwydro Oct 2019 #14
Wish you were correct. However, FOX mind control will get them to not believe, and to FailureToCommunicate Oct 2019 #15
Most "Grunts" who have joined up since Iraq or even 911, hate Muslims and/or are just Hoyt Oct 2019 #18
Yep Cosmocat Oct 2019 #16
Not a problem ornotna Oct 2019 #4
He is a fool and Putin has him exactly where he wants him. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #5
Lock, stock, and dollar empedocles Oct 2019 #6
tRump doesn't care what he destroys.... lastlib Oct 2019 #9
Trump puppet Putin MBS Kim Erdogan keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #20
Trump's incompetency has put Americans at serious risk dlk Oct 2019 #10
Oh yes bdamomma Oct 2019 #17
But he's making it so those abroad have to pay extra to send their ballots MyMission Oct 2019 #19
A letter to Kurdish soldiers from a US military wife keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #21

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
1. I keep wondering how long it iwll be before somone revolts and refuses to follow orders.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:26 PM
Oct 2019

Don't know if it will happen...but Mutiny on the Bounty.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
2. Isn't it terrible........
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:26 PM
Oct 2019

when we have to be concerned enough to keep an eye on the military as to how they "feel" or react to anything the "pResident" does?
Don't they do that in "banana republics?"

GAWD, what have we become?

WE HAVE ONE WAY TO WIN - GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I'll bet my rear the average lower ranking member of the military will still vote for trump in 2020.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:30 PM
Oct 2019
 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
11. Shame of US turning over our Bases to the Russians
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:56 PM
Oct 2019

... leaving our allies the Kurds, to be slaughtered ... the grunts and special forces know the truth about trump's lack of VALOR

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
15. Wish you were correct. However, FOX mind control will get them to not believe, and to
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:10 PM
Oct 2019

blame the 'spline-less Dems' or such.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Most "Grunts" who have joined up since Iraq or even 911, hate Muslims and/or are just
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:42 PM
Oct 2019

getting training to return home and join OathKeepers, Proudboys, III%ers or something.

I know that is not true of all; but, if they supported trump before, the same hatred/desires are still there.

They don't give a damn about the Kurds. Unfortunately, way too many civilians were bashing trump for sending troops into Syria, now they are mad because he's pulling them out (although he shouldn't have given Turkey go-ahead to bomb them or abandon them after commitments were made).

ornotna

(10,799 posts)
4. Not a problem
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:36 PM
Oct 2019

After all, Dump will be able to get reliable intel from his strong and powerful friend Vlad. He would be able to give "the best" advice ever.

What could go wrong?






OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
5. He is a fool and Putin has him exactly where he wants him.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:48 PM
Oct 2019

No contest, Trump v. Putin. He owns The Donald.

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
9. tRump doesn't care what he destroys....
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:41 PM
Oct 2019

as long as it's in the service of a dictator. Be it Putin, Kim, Erdogan, or whomever else, he loves to serve the dictators, and fuck the democracies.

dlk

(11,552 posts)
10. Trump's incompetency has put Americans at serious risk
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:47 PM
Oct 2019

We are much less safe now and will be for many years to come.

MyMission

(1,849 posts)
19. But he's making it so those abroad have to pay extra to send their ballots
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:44 PM
Oct 2019

I heard about this several months ago. Haven't seen anything recently, but I just found this article on the AlterNet. Don't know where it stands, or if it was discussed here on DU.

Voting Rights Roundup: Trump’s China trade war may rocket up cost of mailing overseas ballots to $60
BY STEPHEN WOLF, DAILY KOS - 2 MONTHS AGO

"Military and Overseas Voting: Donald Trump’s trade war with China has already victimized many American farmers and businesses, but a new group of citizens could soon pay an unexpected price: Voters who cast ballots from overseas—including members of the military—may have to pay $60 or more to send their ballots back to the U.S. in order to be counted.​

​What does overseas voting have to do with trade policy? As Bill Theobald at The Fulcrum explains, the Trump administration is seeking to punish China by withdrawing from the 192-member Universal Postal Union, which for a century and a half has set international postal rates. The UPU allows China to ship packages to the U.S. at a discounted rate, a policy designed to help developing countries that Trump wants to see changed.

To get its way, the administration has placed the U.S. on track to leave the UPU in October, just a month before critical elections in many states. If that withdrawal comes to pass, normal mail service could be disrupted for Americans living abroad. As Tierney Sneed noted in a detailed analysis in June, such voters already “face tight—and sometimes impossible—turnaround times between when they receive ballots and when they must send them out to meet their state’s absentee voting deadlines.”

Shipping services like FedEx or UPS offer the only alternative, but they’re prohibitively expensive. According to Jared Dearing, the executive director of Kentucky’s Board of Elections, it could cost “upward of $60” just to send in a ballot, prices that would be paid by both civilians and service members living overseas.

Making matters worse, Sneed now reports that many election officials are preparing to send out absentee ballots just before the UPU meets in late September to discuss Trump’s demands. These administrators therefore don’t know whether “to tell overseas voters to proceed as usual or to expect new issues” in terms of the cost and time it will take to send back ballots.aking matters worse, Sneed now reports that many election officials are preparing to send out absentee ballots just before the UPU meets in late September to discuss Trump’s demands. These administrators therefore don’t know whether “to tell overseas voters to proceed as usual or to expect new issues” in terms of the cost and time it will take to send back ballots.

Turnout is already quite low among Americans abroad: A study published last year by the Federal Voting Assistance Program found that just 7% of voting-age civilians participated in the 2016 elections. The expense and uncertainty surrounding Trump’s conflict with the UPU are only likely to send those numbers even lower.

And while overseas voters may appear to be unintentional victims rather than deliberate targets of Trump’s wrecking-ball approach to negotiations with foreign nations, Democrats are likely to suffer more. According to voting expert Michael McDonald, “overseas civilian voters are some of the strongest Democratic constituencies, and they well outnumber overseas military voters.” That fact can only make it more likely that Trump proceeds on his current course."

He set this up months ago. We have large numbers of military not deployed but still serving overseas.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
21. A letter to Kurdish soldiers from a US military wife
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:04 AM
Oct 2019

A letter to Kurdish soldiers from a US military wife

"Months later, he returned and recounted to me what he could about his experience. I asked how he had made it through. He replied, "We had help. We had the Kurds."

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/17/opinions/letter-to-kurdish-soldiers-from-military-wife-opinion/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

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