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Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:56 AM

So al-Baghdadi died? Really?

Sorry if this has already been brought up, but given the last few months and the news since yesterday, do we really know for a fact that it was he who died in the explosion?

All it takes is watching a few action movies or a few episodes of NCIS or a similar show to ask a few questions:

The guy was known to be slippery. Could someone else have disguised himself to lead the troops away from the real al-Baghdadi?

He was blown up. How do we know it was him? Are they going to do DNA tests, and will we know the results?

A top aide of the guy gave away some information on his whereabouts. Was he truthful, or was he part of a plan?

The timing, and T's comm with Moscow ahead of letting Congress know, seems suspicious given the impeachment activities.

And so on, but you get the idea.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:03 AM

1. Then there's the whole thing about who is telling us the news...

not that Trump is untrustworthy or might lie or something.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:09 AM

2. This guy must be a cat. He's been killed 5 times.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:10 AM

3. Also it's like the 6th time someone has claimed to kill him since 2016...

And when the source is now Trump... well, I think external verification is is order.

Then again, the ultimate truth of this claim is not meaningful in the big picture, IMO, despite how desperately Trumpists will cling to it.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:11 AM

4. The soldiers scooped up bags of his remains and body parts and did an onsite DNA test.

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:14 AM

5. I didn't see that. Can you provide a link?

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Response to braddy (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:14 AM

6. How did they do that when Don the Con told us the tunnel collapsed on him

This was a seriously bad script

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 05:11 PM

16. Both can happen, plus we probably got the head which often survives suicide blasts.

 

Surviving meaning the head intact, not it's previous owner.

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Response to braddy (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 05:13 PM

17. Even a General has disputed this rubbish n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 05:15 PM

18. What rubbish, DNA?

 

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Response to braddy (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:52 AM

8. What DNA test?

I would like to know what sort of "onsite" DNA test they used. I am a biomedical scientist and this seems a bit fishy to me but, heck, maybe there is such a test. If anyone here finds what test was used, please post here!

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Response to Louis1895 (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:03 PM

10. Should have done my own research before posting.

Two companies have devices in the evaluation, NetBio, of Waltham, Massachusetts, and IntegenX, of Pleasanton, California.


https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/sofic/2015/05/20/us-special-operations-tests-dna-scanners/

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Response to braddy (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:17 PM

13. Where'd you read that?

Iíve never heard of an onsite DNA test.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:26 AM

7. My response to him being killed is who?

I follow the news quite intently but have not heard about this man recently. I'm sure I missed many articles about him but my point is that many Americans have no idea who this guy is.

These Americans hear this man has been killed and most will forget in a short time that this happened or mattered. Only partisan politics will keep this in the news and it will be mentioned as a win for Trump but it won't matter one bit to our security.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:56 AM

9. Most Americans will think the guy is

Bag Daddy.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:08 PM

11. Didn't they do Bin Laden's DNA test aboard a ship?

It seems impossible to complete tests that quickly and without contamination from other people who's DNA would have been dispersed in an explosion.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:17 PM

12. If they have DNA tests that can be done that fast

Why does it take so long for even cops to get results back? And if the tunnel collapsed on him how did they get him out so quick? Lots of questions to this story.

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:26 PM

14. I'm sure those rapid test devices are expensive

The problem with crime scene DNA is backlogged cases. Cold cases tend to sit the longest while urgent gets done more quickly.

I had my DNA done and it sat for a few weeks, but it only took two days to be extracted and analyzed.

You can actually precipitate your own DNA at home using saliva, alcohol, soap and food dye. It takes about 1/2 hour. In this case, they had blood which contains more DNA than saliva.

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