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dajoki

(10,678 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:12 AM Oct 2019

Suddenly Ken Starr doesn't like impeachment so much

Suddenly Ken Starr doesn’t like impeachment so much
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/29/suddenly-ken-starr-doesnt-like-impeachment-so-much/#comments-wrapper

Is there anything Republicans won’t say to make impeachment go away?

They attack the patriotism of decorated veterans. They decry rules that they devised. And they discard long-held principles as though the past never happened.

Comes now Ken Starr, responsible more than any other person on Earth for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, to tell us what a dreadful thing impeachment is.

“It just seems we need to ratchet the conversation down because of the evils of impeachment,” the former independent counsel said during an interview with conservative writer Byron York released on Monday. “Impeachment has become a terrible, terrible thorn in the side of the American democracy and the conduct of American government since Watergate. . . . Let’s at least have a reasoned and deliberate conversation about some lesser kind of response.”

Starr thinks Congress should consider censuring President Trump, and he says Republicans in 1998 should have considered “whether something short of impeachment would be appropriate.”

Now he tells us? He didn’t mention “censure” once in his referral to Congress in 1998 laying out “substantial and credible information that President Clinton committed acts that may constitute grounds for an impeachment,” nor in his November 1998 testimony. Then, Starr argued passionately that Clinton’s actions fit the “high-crime-and-misdemeanor” standard.

Starr wasn’t finished. During this week’s interview, he also absolved Trump of guilt, both for obstruction of justice in the Mueller inquiry and for wrongdoing in the Ukraine quid pro quo, saying Trump’s “intent” was pure. Starr protested that Trump “is being held to a remarkable standard” in which we are “over-criminalizing the conduct of the business of government.”

Seriously? From the man who pushed to impeach a president for lying about oral sex in a civil deposition? Back then, Starr rejected the argument that Clinton’s “intent” in lying was to avoid embarrassment, not to perjure himself.

Starr, still going, suggested this week that impeachment is a plot by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to seize the presidency. A “conflict of interest is that the speaker of the House is guiding this process when she is third in succession,” he argued. “She will do well if she can have the elimination of Donald Trump from office and then Vice President Pence somehow.”
Somehow?

The brazenness of Starr’s historical revision was largely lost amid a profusion of equally outrageous attempts to excuse Trump.

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Suddenly Ken Starr doesn't like impeachment so much (Original Post) dajoki Oct 2019 OP
Who knew Ken Starr would turn out to be... dchill Oct 2019 #1
Everyone. The_Counsel Oct 2019 #10
Hey Kennie, remember when you prosecuted a blowjob? lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #21
Starr is a Republican PJMcK Oct 2019 #2
One of the most pathetic, laughable, execrable, despicable persons in American political history. Goodheart Oct 2019 #3
Ken Starr you don't get a say MagickMuffin Oct 2019 #4
Tarrifs was fired tomorrow the University because he ignored True Blue American Oct 2019 #9
"Impeachment" was not on the agenda when Obama was Prez. Why? Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #5
Trump's being held to a remarkable standard, all right. Remarkably LOW. JHB Oct 2019 #6
Siss True Blue American Oct 2019 #7
True, but... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #8
Perhaps Starr can elaborate how he IGNORED the rape complaints when he was at Baylor still_one Oct 2019 #11
Well Boo-fucking-Hoo! calimary Oct 2019 #12
We wouldn't be in this mess if not for Trump's actions. Firestorm49 Oct 2019 #13
I'm reasonably certain "Ken Starr" means SHITSTAIN NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #14
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Oct 2019 #20
I despise Ken Starr. kag Oct 2019 #15
Republicans, now Russiapublicans, have never forgiven for Watergate Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #16
"Impeachment has become a terrible, terrible thorn in the side" gratuitous Oct 2019 #17
Proving he's nothing but a right wing hack Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #18
Starr is a low life and Human Scum Gothmog Oct 2019 #19
"Is it really so wrong to sell our country to the Russians? I wish somebody had told me that! struggle4progress Oct 2019 #22
"The Evils of Impeachment" ??? EndlessWire Oct 2019 #23
Censure and move on? moondust Oct 2019 #24
Take it up with the Constitution, Kenny crickets Oct 2019 #25
Yeah that was a fucking BREATHTAKING statement in how inane it was lol... Volaris Oct 2019 #32
What an asshat. As if we didn't know that already. Monica tweeted a comment that was hilarious. dem4decades Oct 2019 #26
I seem to recall him repeating the "rule of law" phrase over and over again. Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #27
Republicans only like things that benefit them. Luciferous Oct 2019 #28
Transparently disingenuous. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #29
Maybe Ken would be happier if we were impeaching Don for the dozens of complaints of sexual abuse Vinca Oct 2019 #30
Remember the Baylor sexual abuse outbreak earlier this decade. MarcA Oct 2019 #31
He said he regretted impeachment or the special counsel investigations applegrove Oct 2019 #33
Wow. BlueWI Oct 2019 #34

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. Hey Kennie, remember when you prosecuted a blowjob?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:40 PM
Oct 2019

Dump has plenty of those on his record too. STFU.

Goodheart

(5,318 posts)
3. One of the most pathetic, laughable, execrable, despicable persons in American political history.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:22 AM
Oct 2019

A pervert and voyeur, too.

MagickMuffin

(15,933 posts)
4. Ken Starr you don't get a say
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:25 AM
Oct 2019

Now go back under your rock. We don't need your input.

But good to know you back the unelected/undemocratic pResident.

Par for the course.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
9. Tarrifs was fired tomorrow the University because he ignored
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:39 AM
Oct 2019

Sexual arrassment charges.

Read something funny this morning. CNN hired Sean Duffy because they are running out of Republicans to defend Trump!

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
5. "Impeachment" was not on the agenda when Obama was Prez. Why?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:28 AM
Oct 2019

Because Obama ran a tight ship.

Starr should be lamenting the poor choice that the GOP made in nominating the Orange Trainwreck. He's diverting blame, but it was HIS GOP, and the GRU, that gave us this nightmare.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
6. Trump's being held to a remarkable standard, all right. Remarkably LOW.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:33 AM
Oct 2019

Does anybody have a current tally of "if any Democrat did this..." events?

These were people who were ready to draw up articles of impeachment for President Hillary Clinton even before she would have been sworn in.

Mike Nelson

(9,949 posts)
8. True, but...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:37 AM
Oct 2019

... Mr Starr is mainly an Oral Sex Detective. I'm sure he thinks this impeachment sucks, in a bad way...



still_one

(92,107 posts)
11. Perhaps Starr can elaborate how he IGNORED the rape complaints when he was at Baylor
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:42 AM
Oct 2019

Another hypocritical scumbag


calimary

(81,179 posts)
12. Well Boo-fucking-Hoo!
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:47 AM
Oct 2019

YOU built this, Kenny-boy. And now your Frankenstein monster is banging and growling and snarling at YOUR door.

You went all-in on impeachment-ANYTHING. You dug through their underwear drawers and bellybutton lint and drain pipes looking for ANYTHING you could hang them on. You were at it for four years and I think some 70 million dollars before you came up with something that you thought might stick: a stained blue dress belonging to a lovesick presidential groupie. Who’d breathlessly written all her friends back home that she’d gone to Washington to get her “presidential kneepads.” Her words. Who was of age. Over 21. And of sound mind, even if not-so-sound motivation.

You were able to nail him for lying about a sex act with a consenting adult.

That’s a whole universe away from the amounts and magnitude of high crimes, misdemeanors, and wholesale deceit that THIS creep, now, has repeatedly and consistently and willfully perpetrated. There’s literally no comparison.

There is NO comparison. Except maybe an attempt to equate an ant hill in the back yard with Olympus Mons.

Firestorm49

(4,030 posts)
13. We wouldn't be in this mess if not for Trump's actions.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:52 AM
Oct 2019

This is not a frivolous action. It’s warranted and necessary. This president, as may have been mentioned occasionally on DU, is the biggest threat to this nation in our history.

kag

(4,079 posts)
15. I despise Ken Starr.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:22 PM
Oct 2019

And one of the things that makes this whole mess so frustrating is that Starr got Clinton impeached for lying about a blow job. The then-holier-than-fucking-everyone GOP congressmen were "shocked, SHOCKED" that our president would misbehave with women.

Now, of course, so many R's have been outed as philanderers and rapists (and, of course, the biggest sin of all...homosexuals ) that they HAVE to ignore it. So when their own presidential nominee is FAMOUS for molesting, assaulting, and raping women and girls, they call US snowflakes for calling it out.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,307 posts)
16. Republicans, now Russiapublicans, have never forgiven for Watergate
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:29 PM
Oct 2019

The vendetta began with Watergate and escalated to the point of reinventing the party. The result is today's Russiapublican coalition of extremists, willing to maintain power at almost any cost.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. "Impeachment has become a terrible, terrible thorn in the side"
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:31 PM
Oct 2019

Says former proprietor of Kenny's Thorn Emporium.

Hypocrisy much, "Judge" Starr?

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
22. "Is it really so wrong to sell our country to the Russians? I wish somebody had told me that!
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
Oct 2019

Because, you know, in my circles that sort of thing happens all the time and nobody gives it a second thought"

EndlessWire

(6,477 posts)
23. "The Evils of Impeachment" ???
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:43 PM
Oct 2019

OMG, what is wrong with these people?? Impeachment is, apparently, the only means we have to oust a budding dictator. Except for the never-mentioned solution. Which, maybe we don't need, because we can impeach the rat!

Impeach Trump!

moondust

(19,966 posts)
24. Censure and move on?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:57 PM
Oct 2019

Where was this great witch hunter in 1998?

"Censure and move on" (now MoveOn) was appropriate in that case of a strictly private, consensual matter where there were no abuses of power, self-enrichment, or threats to national security involved.

crickets

(25,959 posts)
25. Take it up with the Constitution, Kenny
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 04:47 PM
Oct 2019

Along with wanting to join in on all the impeachment pooh-poohing, the real point he wanted to slip in was this:

A “conflict of interest is that the speaker of the House is guiding this process when she is third in succession,”


He's telegraphing how weak Pence's position is. He sees the downfall coming, but because he is just another 'party before country' Republican, he just. can't. stand. it.

Nobody else made the choices that led these clowns to destroy themselves. Nobody forced them to compromise themselves or their country, and anyone who currently finds themselves in a situation where they now feel forced to continue these crimes has put themselves there. Disentangling the web of criminals and their offenses is all being handled aboveboard and by the book.

One more time: if you don't like it, take it up with the Constitution, Kenny. Better yet, sit down and be quiet while the adults handle this mess.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
32. Yeah that was a fucking BREATHTAKING statement in how inane it was lol...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:45 PM
Oct 2019

I'd bet my next paycheck tho, it would be just fine n dandy if trump were a Democrat, or even if Nancy Pelosi were a republican n trump had to be impeached heh.

I'm sure THOSE THINGS wouldn't be thorns, AT ALL lol.

Oh well. Ken Starr, meet the US CONSTITUTION, ...Now with Thorns.

dem4decades

(11,282 posts)
26. What an asshat. As if we didn't know that already. Monica tweeted a comment that was hilarious.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 04:54 PM
Oct 2019

Too bad Hillary is restricted on the subject, I'm sure she would rip him a new asshole too.

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
27. I seem to recall him repeating the "rule of law" phrase over and over again.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:24 PM
Oct 2019

Didn't matter how minor the offense, nobody was above the law and it had to be rigorously enforced or we would slide into anarchy. Surprise! It was all bullshit.

maxsolomon

(33,265 posts)
29. Transparently disingenuous.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:31 PM
Oct 2019

He knows that we know that he knows that we know he's absolutely bullshitting.

It doesn't matter to them ensconced in their billionaire-funded think tanks; fill the media space with a steady stream of objections, innuendos, and slanders. Give Fox fresh meat every day, and eventually something will fix in the mind of the addled and gullible.

It's been their tactic for decades. Manufacture alternate truths; win on propaganda.

Vinca

(50,248 posts)
30. Maybe Ken would be happier if we were impeaching Don for the dozens of complaints of sexual abuse
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:41 PM
Oct 2019

that have been directed toward him by women young and old.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
31. Remember the Baylor sexual abuse outbreak earlier this decade.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:44 PM
Oct 2019

Starr was President and Chancellor at the time and the Board of Regents
removed him from the former and he resigned in disgrace from the latter due
to his mishandling and cover-ups. He even left his cushy law professorship. That
he is lacking in moral character is obvious. Wonder if some $$$ interests have
some other info on him.

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
33. He said he regretted impeachment or the special counsel investigations
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:28 AM
Oct 2019

of Bill Clinton right when George W. Bushes WH was under fore for 9/11 or Iraq or something. Just like republicans with the deficit: one set of rules for republican presidents; one set of rules for Democratic administrations.

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